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Nintendo Gives First Details Of Nintendo Switch

by Donald Theriault - October 20, 2016, 7:17 am PDT
Total comments: 45 Source: Nintendo

Releasing March 2017 still.

Nintendo has finally revealed the Nintendo Switch.

The video demo showed the system sliding into and being removed from a docking system hooked to a TV, with instant transition to a portable mode when removed. There are controllers called "JoyCon" that can be detached and used by multiple players or as a dual format for a single system. An optional Pro Controller will be available, and Switch systems can communicate with each other for multiplayer.

The video showed a Splatoon-like game, a new 3D Mario title, Breath of the Wild, a Mario Kart game, an NBA game and the remastered version of Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim from Bethesda. Konami, Electronic Arts, Bethesda, Epic Games, Atlus, From Software, Warner Brothers, Take-Two, SquareEnix (including Tokyo RPG Factory Co. Ltd) and Capcom are among the publishers with products in development.

nVidia have confirmed that they are providing a custom Tegra processor for the system.

The games will come on 3DS-style cartridges of indeterminate size.

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Talkback

SteefosaurusOctober 20, 2016

Wow, this is very impressive looking! Like the name, it looks sleek. Great advertisement too, immediately obvious how it works and why it is unique. To be honest all the NX rumouring made kind of wary and there's a lot I still wish to play on Wii U... But this looks VERY promising!

LemonadeOctober 20, 2016

So, the leaks were right. It seems pretty good to me, but it really is Wii U attempt number two.
I have mixed feeling about it, but I will buy it on day 1.

azekeOctober 20, 2016

Split controllers are back!

https://abload.de/img/clipboard01p3bom.jpg

So that means that plastic shell that combines two halves literally does nothing, because you can control the game without it.

azekeOctober 20, 2016

Not sure if it is intentional or not, but that video never shows left detachable part of the controller.

You can kinda see that it has split d-pad a-la Dualshock and it makes sense because each half should feature as it's own controller in it's own right and split d-pad will work as four face buttons.

LemonadeOctober 20, 2016

There were lights on it, so its probably just has a battery or something

SorenOctober 20, 2016

Quote from: azeke

So that means that plastic shell that combines two halves literally does nothing, because you can control the game without it.

I assume it's there for ergonomic reasons. You could also take it with you if you don't like playing with the split controllers.

supermario2kOctober 20, 2016

It looks like it can be used like a normal console with a traditional layout, a touch style controller maybe, something similar to Wii style controls, am I missing anything or is that it? I hope it is priced under $300, comes with at least 1 game and hopefully that pro-style controller packed in too. But I would be okay with selling as much separately as they need to keep the cost down.

I am not sure how they will support touch controls in console mode unless they allow you to sync with a tablet or phone or maybe they will let you use Wii U Game Pad too? Doubtful there but wishful thinking.

SupaKirbOctober 20, 2016

@azeke- nah I'm pretty sure that square is a charging doc for the joy controllers, they need to be charged somehow and it's super smart of Nintendo to make that charging doc part of the "at home" controller unit. They've done their homework here, and understand how annoying it is to have a dead gaming device or an uncharged controller unit. Good on you Nintendo. That and many other parts of this systems portability and functionality have me very optimistic. And the name? It may not seem too amazing atm, but it's easy to say, explains the system pretty well, and actually makes sense!

LemonadeOctober 20, 2016

Touch would have to be optional

MythtendoOctober 20, 2016

supermario, it says the pro controller will be optional (so it won't be included).


My concern is will developers support it long term? The games look nice now, but the rumored specs are lower even than the PS4 and X1 (even though the Switch is supposed to be the generation AFTER those) and I am worried that eventually the AAA games will only go to those systems and Switch will only get lower end games.

It's nice to see a Elder Scrolls games on a Nintendo system. I have to see more but I am cautiously optimistic.

StogiOctober 20, 2016

Does anyone see any shoulder buttons on the split controllers?

FreezingPointOctober 20, 2016

I'll buy one for the games, but I can't see myself using these features.  Gaming is not something I want to do constantly wherever I am.  For me gaming is done at home.  I don't want to game in the park, on a plane, in a taxi, or at an outdoor get-together.  But as someone who bought a 3ds just to play at home, I will still enjoy the system and presumably this will allow Nintendo to focus on building one great library of games instead of two, which should be a good thing.

SorenOctober 20, 2016

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Does anyone see any shoulder buttons on the split controllers?

Yes
http://i.imgur.com/C8sYzF2.png

Tween20October 20, 2016

I suspected this would be a problem as soon as the rumors started to solidify, but if my daughter and I are traveling together and want to play Nintendo games on the go, I guess we both have to have Switches?  As long as the 3DS continues to be supported, this might not be an issue, but if there is a future where the Switch is the only Nintendo 'game in town' for both console and portable play, I guess I should start saving now...


Also, I haven't gone back to watch the video so maybe I missed something, but has touch screen (even optionally) been confirmed?  (No possibility for another Picross 3D!) It did look like dual-screen has died for this generation (sniff!).

ejamerOctober 20, 2016

So a high powered portable with detachable controllers and a TV dock that upscales the image?
I haven't followed rumors very much, but is that about the situation we're looking at?

Mixed feelings on this.
* I'm worried that third party devs will port a few games over and then disappear, much like Wii U. Until proven otherwise, I've lost faith in Nintendo's ability to keep third parties involved.
* Battery life is a concern, and so is build quality. (3DS didn't live up to my expectations for a Nintendo handheld, although Wii U controller has been more solid than I expected.)
* Pricing is a question. Will it all come in one box?  I have to assume so... although the TV dock certainly seems optional. Can you replace parts of the hardware (notably: break-off controllers) separately?
* Backwards compatibility looks like a complete write-off, so I can't sell existing hardware to subsidize the purchase unless I dump all my games too.

Canadian currency is very weak right now. When the New 3DS XL console is still sitting at roughly $260 CAD after taxes, I can't see this being less than $500 CAD. That's going to be a very tough sell for many people.

Comments about this being "Wii U 2.0" aren't really fair - this accomplishes some of the same goals by gamers to continue playing without access to their primary TV, but does so in a very different way than Wii U off-screen play.

Negativity aside, it looks like a pretty slick implementation overall. The concept of making games a universal experience is good, and I think that having Nintendo merge their portable/console development teams to focus on a single platform is a great idea overall - no reason to split development assets, especially when games are getting bigger and more expensive to make. (Of course I say that as they start mobile development... so there will still be some splittage.)

xcwarriorOctober 20, 2016

That 3rd party support right now looks unprecedented.

Let's just hope its the good kind of unprecedented, and not the EA version.

mustbeburtOctober 20, 2016

On top of the absence of a touch screen, I think it's also worth pointing out that we didn't see any sign of motion control.  This video definitely confirms they are reeling in their hardware back to basic functionality.  Yes, detachable controllers are inventive, but what we see in this video is a system that plays games with a controller - period.

Bman87301October 20, 2016

This more or less what I always imagined the NX concept would turn out to be-- and so far I'm not disappointed, though that could change depending on price, etc. Is there any word whether the separating parts of the controls contain rumble, tilt controls, Wii-style pointer? Will it be compatible with 3DS cards? I have to assume the screen will be touch sensitive-- they have to accommodate the backlog of Wii U games no one played on the original hardware, so everything the Wii U can do the Switch should support too. One thing that worries me though, is the name-- it sounds too much like an accessory, which was precisely what the Wii U's downfall was.

BlkPaladinOctober 20, 2016

The dock for the controller seems to up its range and battery life considering it seems like the blue light stayed on after you take them out. The Pro-controller still has the D-pad while the joycon have a spilt for easier multiplayer.

As least so far Nintendo has hit all the right notes with the unveiling in terms of communicating what it is. It seems what the Wii U was being hyped up by people in being before the unveiling and the leak of the Project Café. Just the small sampling of games they showed make it a day one for me. (Plus considering I get my taxes around that time that is what it is going for.

As for the touch screen it seems to still have it considering some of the developers are mobile developers, and rumors have that the SDKs have a multi-touch screen.

ejamerOctober 20, 2016

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... Will it be compatible with 3DS cards? I have to assume the screen will be touch sensitive-- they have to accommodate the backlog of Wii U games no one played on the original hardware, so everything the Wii U can do the Switch should support too. ...

Don't count on either 3DS/DS or Wii U compatibility. This is a single-screen device, although it has the capability to push that single screen to a TV using the dock. That would effectively kill any chance of backwards compatibility with those systems.


There has been no mention/display of speical controls either - not touch, nor pointer, nor motion. Doesn't mean they won't be supported, but it's probably not a smart idea to expect them unless more information is revealed.

Mop it upOctober 20, 2016

I'm just glad it appears to be a hybrid, as I hope this means all of Nintendo's output will go to just one system instead of two.

Otherwise, the lack of apparent motion/pointing or touch screen when playing at home is disappointing. I guess it's difficult to offer everything, but I for one always liked those ideas and will miss them.

To me, the games looked like tech demo / proof of concept kind of stuff, so I don't think they were a glimpse of the actual games. I'm still not expecting a Mario platformer or Mario Kart anywhere near launch, but I guess you never know. At least it looks like there will be a Splatoon 2 instead of just an enhanced port.

Bman87301October 20, 2016

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* Backwards compatibility looks like a complete write-off, so I can't sell existing hardware to subsidize the purchase unless I dump all my games too.

That'll be the case for Wii U discs for sure, but it could very well still be compatible with 3DS cards (won't support 3D obviously, but neither does the 2DS). And if you had features in mind, not just media, if you look at the design, not only is it still possible for the all the hardware features from Wii and Wii U to still be in there, it certainly looks to me like it was designed with the intent to support them all (the separated handed controls mirror the Wii remote-Nunchuk combo). Of course, just because the accelometer and pointer features may have been in mind during the design stages doesn't mean they weren't still ultimately dropped for cost concerns. But I wouldn't be surprised either way.

NullNoMoreOctober 20, 2016

Ryo_Hazuki-san on Miiverse says the cards are different sized than 3ds (somewhat larger), battery life is 8-9 hours, no touch screen (yet).

The controllers look kind of small -- I'm good, I'm snack-sized, but would they cramp bigger players?

Anyone know if there is any difference in the Japanese trailer? And how can I view/drool over it?

Bman87301October 20, 2016

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... Will it be compatible with 3DS cards? I have to assume the screen will be touch sensitive-- they have to accommodate the backlog of Wii U games no one played on the original hardware, so everything the Wii U can do the Switch should support too. ...

Don't count on either 3DS/DS or Wii U compatibility. This is a single-screen device, although it has the capability to push that single screen to a TV using the dock. That would effectively kill any chance of backwards compatibility with those systems.

I guess, I initially missed the fact that the two screens weren't used together... but it certainly looks like it could be compatible with a special touch screen add-on-- and there's no doubt they'll find a way to make Wii U games playable on the new platform-- they need to make money off those games that no one played on the original hardware.

ejamerOctober 20, 2016

Quote from: Bman87301

Quote from: ejamer

Quote from: Bman87301

... Will it be compatible with 3DS cards? I have to assume the screen will be touch sensitive-- they have to accommodate the backlog of Wii U games no one played on the original hardware, so everything the Wii U can do the Switch should support too. ...

Don't count on either 3DS/DS or Wii U compatibility. This is a single-screen device, although it has the capability to push that single screen to a TV using the dock. That would effectively kill any chance of backwards compatibility with those systems.

I guess, I initially missed the fact that the two screens weren't used together... but it certainly looks like it could be compatible with a special touch screen add-on-- and there's no doubt they'll find a way to make Wii U games playable on the new platform-- they need to make money off those games that no one played on the original hardware.

That's what re-releases are for.  Many Wii U games could be updated to work with a single screen, repackaged and sold as new.

Bman87301October 20, 2016

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I guess, I initially missed the fact that the two screens weren't used together... but it certainly looks like it could be compatible with a special touch screen add-on-- and there's no doubt they'll find a way to make Wii U games playable on the new platform-- they need to make money off those games that no one played on the original hardware.

If Nintendo were really smart, they'd find a way to make it compatible with smartphones/tablets-- allowing them to function as the touch screen).

Not to toot my own horn, but the more I think about it, the more brilliant and non-brainer it sounds. I'm sure Nintendo HAS to have thought of it and that kind of compatibility WILL be implemented at some point-- it would give to system access not only access to a touch screen, but to tilt sensors and rumble with no extra purchase since virtually everyone has one.

mustbeburtOctober 20, 2016

Bman - yeah, they'll make WiiU games playable on Switch, but not with backwards compatibility - if they do it they'll do it like ejamer said - re-releasing.  Think about it.  You could play Gamecube games on Wii, but how much money was Nintendo making off of that?  People weren't buying Gamecube games from Nintendo at that point.  They were either playing the ones they already had OR they were buying them used.

Bman87301October 20, 2016

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Bman - yeah, they'll make WiiU games playable on Switch, but not with backwards compatibility - if they do it they'll do it like ejamer said - re-releasing.  Think about it.  You could play Gamecube games on Wii, but how much money was Nintendo making off of that?  People weren't buying Gamecube games from Nintendo at that point.  They were either playing the ones they already had OR they were buying them used.

Look at my previous post-- if they manage a way to implement that (which seems almost inevitable) then Wii U compatibility is pretty much guaranteed at some point.

Plus, who says the system won't be compatible with Wii U GamePads or Wii Remotes too? There doesn't seem much reason to think they won't.

Mop it upOctober 20, 2016

I don't see Nintendo finding a way to make backwards compatibility of any kind work when it's a lot more profitable to just re-release the games to sell. Not what I'd prefer of course, but it's what seems more likely.

Bman87301October 20, 2016

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I don't see Nintendo finding a way to make backwards compatibility of any kind work when it's a lot more profitable to just re-release the games to sell. Not what I'd prefer of course, but it's what seems more likely.

How about the fact that the wireless controls means it could always be compatible with Wii U GamePads and Wii Remotes? I think that's too easy for it not to happen.

AdrockOctober 20, 2016

I doubt Nintendo wants any Wii branding anywhere near Switch. Yeah, we'll likely get a port of Wii Sports Club and so on. Otherwise, I'm leaning toward Nintendo releasing Switch Remotes.

Mop it upOctober 20, 2016

Well, they probably want people to buy new controllers too... and there is also no sensor bar for Wiimotes. Plus, I doubt it has the same streaming tech to handle the GamePad.

ejamerOctober 20, 2016

Quote from: Bman87301

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Look at my previous post-- if they manage a way to implement that (which seems almost inevitable) then Wii U compatibility is pretty much guaranteed at some point.

Plus, who says the system won't be compatible with Wii U GamePads or Wii Remotes too? There doesn't seem much reason to think they won't.

Ok, I think you've had enough kool-aid... 

"Inevitable"?  Not at all. I'm not suggesting it's a bad idea to integrate with third party tablets, but that's a lot of cost and on-going maintenance for Nintendo to take on for very little profit.  IF this happens, and I consider that a huge IF, it would be more along the lines of Nintendo providing a spec that third parties could use to connect to Wii U if they care to make the effort... but even there I doubt it will happen.

And let's be honest: we've all seen many cases of Nintendo introducing peripherals and completely failing to support them. Your suggestion would create a similar use case, but with a much high effort required from them to test compatibility and much lower return on investment.

Remastering games to work with a single screen is a better business decision. It requires a one-time development effort, incurs no ongoing support costs, and provides "new" software presence on shelves for people to see and buy.

Let's be excited, but let's also try not to get carried away with speculation. Things could happen; let's not count on them happening until they are announced or (better yet) actually implemented.

Bman87301October 20, 2016

Quote from: Mop

Well, they probably want people to buy new controllers too... and there is also no sensor bar for Wiimotes. Plus, I doubt it has the same streaming tech to handle the GamePad.

Who says there's no port for a Wii Sensor bar? We haven't gotten a full look at the back of that dock yet-- there could easily be one.

SorenOctober 20, 2016

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Who says there's no port for a Wii Sensor bar? We haven't gotten a full look at the back of that dock yet-- there could easily be one.

God no. The last thing I want is to keep legacy accessories hanging around any more. I really want to box up any and all Wii items at this point.

LemonadeOctober 20, 2016

They need to stop Wii and Wii U support and start fresh with Switch.

supermario2kOctober 20, 2016

I agree with Lemondade, they need to just bury the Wii branding.

Honestly before Wii U came along how many true upports did they release from previous consoles? I counted something like 15 or so TOTAL in their entire history.
Wii U is a damn dud, they need to forget about it and place it in the same file folder they keep all references to Virtual Boy.

We aren't talking about games that sold in the millions and there is potential for new customers, of those games were going to entice anyone they would have already done so. Switch needs NEW games in the same franchises. They don't need to patch in support for Splatoon they need a BRAND NEW Splatoon with new features, there is no need to go back and bother releasing a patch to play Super Mario 3D World, especially when there is a brand new, possibly superior, 3D Mario on the way.

This machine needs to quietly and quickly sweep all Wii branding under the rug and move on. I was only curious if it supported motion controls because I thought it looked like it did in that one shot referenced above. But I wouldn't care if they removed them for good. Not unless they are going to pursue VR which after seeing this reveal I am now not so sure they will consider that for a few more years.

But to say they need to find a way to get Wii U games on there is about as accurate as saying they need to get Virtual Boy games on there. The thing is this is not just the successor to the Wii U it is ALSO the successor to the 3DS, which means there is a whole back catalog of 3DS games that are also not going to get ported over, which is good, they need sequels they can re-issue all the old games that they want via Virtual Console but they would be wise to go back to Game Cube and selectively sift through the DS family and leave the Wii stuff entirely in the past, where it rightfully belongs.

FreezingPointOctober 21, 2016

Using half of the controller by itself looks uncomfortable and not like something I would be willing to do.  It shouldn't be any issue though as I don't see it being required for anything I would play.

When I think of Switch as a home console I am not too impressed but if I think of it as an awesome portable that can easily output to the tv (the dock seems to be just to charge the unit and send the signal to the tv) and make use of accessories like regular controllers then I feel a lot better about it.  As much as I love my 3ds I couldn't play it without the grip attachment I bought for it.  This looks much more comfortable to play than any portable Nintendo has ever released.  So I see it as either an ok console or the best portable ever.

supermario2kOctober 21, 2016

As a home console if you are looking at Nintendo you are looking in the wrong place since about 1995. They have pretty much cemented themselves as a second console. But as a handheld they have always been IT, as in the only game in town that really mattered. This is about as close to pleasing everybody as they can ever get. Is it going to convert die hard Xbox and PS fans over? Not likely. Is it going to attract people that bought those consoles because the Nintendo offering was lacking in some way, sure very likely.

I see the console space like this. There are the PC gamers that can't afford PC gaming who buy an Xbox.
There are the Nintendo gamers, the old school old timers who grew up with what we call today retro. They split, half of them went to Sony, the other half split in two between Sega and Nintendo. The Sega fans split after Dreamcast into thirds leaving them a small, insignificant but highly VOCAL minority on the web. They are the ones that vocalize the most negativity towards Sony and Nintendo out of spite.
Then there are the Nintendo loyalists which are divided between the console and handheld units for obvious reasons. The console typically has the larger more "epic" games while the handheld tends to have the more pick up and play retro style games. The problem is the handheld has caught up to what most console gamers wanted and the console became stagnant so there isn't any reason to buy both systems because the console barely did anything the handheld didn't but usually the handheld had at least 30-40 exclusives the console gamers wanted to play but not badly enough to spend the extra $150 + to do so.


So the Sega fans will do what they always do, the Sonic fans will buy the Nintendo console and wait and see, everyone else, that's it Sega doesn't have any fans left just Sonic fans. So that userbase is gone they don't count anymore there were maybe 5 million of them total they are not dwindled down to maybe a million or less.

The SNES fans that migrated to Sony are the harder ones. These gamers stick with Sony because it's their best shot, its tradition at this point. They were Nintendo gamers for 2 generations and Sony gamers for 4 generations so their no longer Nintendo gamers. These are the gamers that bought a Nintendo for the 3rd party greats like Castlevania, Mortal Kombat, Street Fighter, Doom, Final Fantasy, those games left Nintendo their fans did to.

Now they have grown up. This is where it gets tricky. The kids who grew up with Nintendo that split along those above lines, they are as divided as ever. But they DO have very strong warm emotional feelings for Nintendo that can be used to bring them back, but they need convincing most want something that doesn't skimp on the expected features. This doesn't have a disc drive and is not intended to be a Blu Ray player. We have come to terms with Nintendo consoles not playing movies on media. Okay but the world has now changed the tables have turned, nobody cares about disc media anymore they all watch Netflix. So that is no longer a deterrent from the Nintendo console.

Wii U was the last console that should have played movies on disc that didn't. But that wasn't likely a factor so its out.

Then there are the kids that grew up on Playstation. They never played the games the Nintendo gamers are fond of but they did experience the 3rd party games, the same ones. This is what unifies them, FF, Castlevania, Doom, Mortal Kombat, Street Fighter, Resident Evil, Metal Gear, etc, they are loyal to Sony because that is all they have known. Even the PS3 had a slow start it still had the games they expected it to have so they stuck with them.

They are locked in. Nintendo can ONLY win them back if they have the same stuff Sony does and Nintendo stuff but they aren't that excited for the kid friendly Nintendo stuff so they mock the rest and shrug them off. Those gamers are out they are firmly locked into PS4 and maybe are drooling over PS VR.

Then you have the casuals. These are the gamer that ONLY play their favorite sports game with their friends and pick up a few online shooters to say they are gamers but they don't really fit into the gamer culture. We call these people dude bros in a negative way but their a majority of the gaming public. They laugh at Nintendo for their unusual decisions. They might be enticed to get the Nintendo console, like Wii, if it has something they want, something cheap with a good party vibe. These gamers are always in flux but most of them want the latest console to play with their friends, they migrate when they have to, when the old consoles stop giving them new Madden games. This has been the hardest segment for Nintendo to keep because they are one segment but Nintendo thinks they are two. Nintendo thinks the Wii Sports gamers are into Wii Sports because it was pick up and play and not because it was a sports game. Nintendo thinks their Mario Sports games are real sports games and don't get why the casual gamers but hard core sports fans mock them. These gamers also pick up a Halo or GTA on the side because it's "cool".


The kids coming up, the new teenagers and the gamers coming into the mix are always up for grabs. They are the reason there is no brand loyalty in the larger market. This is why the Atari loyalists didn't flock to the NES when the kids coming up did. We knew about Atari, many of us seen Atari or had played Atari but Nintendo was where it was at. Our younger siblings they came up on Sega and SNES the rest split and went to Sony. The kids coming up loved Playstation because it had Crash, Spyro, Lego, etc.

Xbox is the odd duck. They literally have no reason to exist their machine is just a PC for the living room. PC's are dead gaming has moved on so I don't see them lasting for much longer so that leaves room for Nintendo and Sony to swoop in and pick up those gamers. There are loyalists to Xbox who are into the multiplayer scene and Nintendo can win them over easily if they can do multiplayer right and it looks like they did. Xbox did multi better than GC it had the 4 controllers local and it had Live. But Live is no longer and advantage for them.

That is way more than I set out to type most people will skim so there it is my ramblings for the day.

TGTOctober 26, 2016

I think that there could be a touch screen, given how big the screen is as it's portrayed in the trailer. And if we see the release of a new Wario-ware game, or a re-release of super mario maker (which is very unlikely, given that you hook the whole console up to the TV and that would be really annoying), then we can confirm this. But again, this is just me rambling.

supermario2kOctober 26, 2016

All I know is either it better have a touch screen for Virtual Console alone or they had better keep supporting Wii U Virtual Console for at least another 2 years, there are plenty of DS games I want to purchase for my Wii U that I haven't gotten around to yet if they had a way to get those games on Switch I would be into that.

ThePermOctober 26, 2016

@sm2k
I had both an n64 and a playstation(and a Saturn)

I can safely say Nintendo 64 was better than Sony Playstation.

Playstation was all smoke and mirrors. The only thing Playstation had over n64 was FMV. All of which were fairly short at fleeting. If you watch those FMVs now they don't even look as good as modern games. When you actually played the games, the games on n64 80% looked better. All the Playstation fanboys were tricked and have continued  their brainwashing every since. I was one of those people that had a friend show off Final Fantasy VII to me, and I was unimpressed.

as far as not having Bluray. My roommate had an Xbox One. Its Bluray drive doesn't work worth a shit. It stopped working a month after he got it. We just ended up having to use the Bluray player. For the most part, all of these systems play Netflix anyway. The only use of a Bluray player is playing movies not on Netflix, which you have to usually hunt down from a redbox(which itself has a limited selection), or a still in business "mom and pop" video store. Also worth noting, many Blurays come with Ultraviolet, which is a service that lets you stream the same movie off the internet.  Optical media is dead. But we're all on the same page there.

supermario2kOctober 26, 2016

Quote from: ThePerm

@sm2k
I had both an n64 and a playstation(and a Saturn)

I can safely say Nintendo 64 was better than Sony Playstation.

Playstation was all smoke and mirrors. The only thing Playstation had over n64 was FMV. All of which were fairly short at fleeting. If you watch those FMVs now they don't even look as good as modern games. When you actually played the games, the games on n64 80% looked better. All the Playstation fanboys were tricked and have continued  their brainwashing every since. I was one of those people that had a friend show off Final Fantasy VII to me, and I was unimpressed.

as far as not having Bluray. My roommate had an Xbox One. Its Bluray drive doesn't work worth a ****. It stopped working a month after he got it. We just ended up having to use the Bluray player. For the most part, all of these systems play Netflix anyway. The only use of a Bluray player is playing movies not on Netflix, which you have to usually hunt down from a redbox(which itself has a limited selection), or a still in business "mom and pop" video store. Also worth noting, many Blurays come with Ultraviolet, which is a service that lets you stream the same movie off the internet.  Optical media is dead. But we're all on the same page there.

I know this Perm, you have said it a thousand times. I meant my post as generalizations mostly. But you do fall into a smaller audience, like it or not more people had PS1 than N64 or they had both. In fact I had both, you said your self you had both.


ME

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Okay but the world has now changed the tables have turned, nobody cares about disc media anymore they all watch Netflix. So that is no longer a deterrent from the Nintendo console.

YOU

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as far as not having Bluray. My roommate had an Xbox One. Its Bluray drive doesn't work worth a ****.

I think we're on the same page, I was saying nobody is going to care this thing doesn't have Blu Ray its a non issue.

ThePermOctober 26, 2016

I said "but we were on the same page here"

half of that was rambling. We're all in agreement.

I'm also in the smaller percentage group that won their Playstation and didn't purchase it.  I wouldn't have bought one, but I'll take anything free. I don't have the same negative opinions of Sony's later consoles. They were much better systems. I feel like Playstations popularity is due to its hype alone, not it's prowess.

Here is an anecdote that is more rambling. I went over to my best friends house to play games. We had been playing Mortal Kombat 4 on Playstation. Well his laser sucked. He found that his particular Playstation read the disc better if he turned the console upside down. Some parts of the psx version of mk4 were better. Better sound, marginally better character models, some fmvs. The loading time......that was just infuriating. I've never been much of a fan of the dual shock controller. The original controller as a 2d controller is great though.

LemonadeOctober 26, 2016

Quote from: NullNoMore

Ryo_Hazuki-san on Miiverse says the cards are different sized than 3ds (somewhat larger),

I noticed they looked bigger in the trailer.

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