The GameCube has now been officially, completely, and totally screwed over by the third parties.

Horray for the Capcom 5! No wonder Nintendo doesn't bother most of the time, and who can really blame them?

I can only imagine how crappy the PS2 version will look...

This is starting to get annoying. I can't wait to see the faces on those who doubted the GCN when Zelda hits.

Pissed. Off.

What a kick in the F'N nuts. Another completely garbage announcement in which Nintendo will look on impassively as their killer app is no longer exclusive. It will sell no GCs now. People will just wait until it comes out for PS2 with online support and added features.

Anyone who says this is not that big a deal: you're an apologist for Nintendo and should be deemed a mental patient.

The timing on this announcement is a total kick in the face for Nintendo. They could have waited until E3 to announce the PS2 version and given Nintendo a shot at having a system-seller. Now PS2 owners will just wait and claim they're too busy now anyways.

oh I guess The Omen said about the same thing. Sorry, I didn't mean to sound like I was copying you.

I guess we were expecting just a little too much from Capcom on this one. Seems like Better controls+better graphics is going to equal not as many sales. They could have at least kept this private until June or so.

We know what we must do. We spoil the game to ps2 owners a year before they ever get it TO KINGDOM COME.

*30 HOURS OF ONLINE SPOILER VIDEO EAT THIS HAHSHTAHAHAHA*

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I guess we were expecting just a little too much from Capcom on this one. Seems like Better controls+better graphics is going to equal not as many sales. They could have at least kept this private until June or so.

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Nintendo gives capcom the honor of making a new zelda game (Minish Cap) and now they kick us in the balls? What happen to the Japanese and honor? Maybe its the American influence, lol.

Seriously though, if Capcom can make RE4 anywhere as near good as the GCN version i will have to applaud them, that would be a major feat.

I can imagine the PS2 version with unpolished character models, frame rate problems, etc.

Hopefully the diehard RE fans understand that the PS2 version will be utter cr@p compared to the GCN version, and in turn of what Capcom has done I hope their sales on the PS2 version goes as well as their Viewitiful Joe game on PS2.

One mans Treasure is another mans trash............

This is the end for the cube. There is nothing left coming that's not made by nintendo, or going somehwere else worth getting. All nintendo has left is Zelda, I was previously against moving it to revolution, but now I'm all for it. Nintendo should concede defeat this time around and start working on the revolution campaign and getting third parties into legally binding agreements from third parties.

Nicely said, I hope that's the case. This is Bull Shyte and Capcom know's it. So much for fulfilling promises.

I hope that GC sales will butcher what PS2's horrid version could ever dream of. I wish Mikami would Leave a join Nintendo and take "HIS" Franchise with him.

Nintendo probably knows RE4 would not sell systems anyway.

Don't even try to pass that off TYP. You know damn well this game was gonna sell systems. I have friends who work in game stores and have people buy cubes soley to play this ONE GAME and reserve this ONE GAME. With this announcement at this time, the Cube's sales have just been cut by I'm guessing as much as 50-60% if not more. It's utter bull**** that Capcom is doing this at this time. They originally announce 5 titles just for Cube, 1 is cancelled, 2 are ported, prog the worst is kept exclusive, and now the last is being ported. Its no wonder Cube owners and even Nintendo themselves don't trust 3rd parties anymore.

Capcom needs to come out and explain everything. This game was under contract to only come out on Cube. I better see Shinji's head rolling on the ground tomorrow apart from his body. -________________________-

I thought Nintendo made solid deals with these companies, but now there just getting screwed over! They let Namco put TOS on the PS2 in Japan, then they let Capcom release Viewtiful Joe and Killer 7 on the PS2, and now there doing it with one of their biggest upcoming games! Why is Nintendo sitting back and letting these companies break their deals?!

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This is the end for the cube. There is nothing left coming that's not made by nintendo, or going somehwere else worth getting. All nintendo has left is Zelda, I was previously against moving it to revolution, but now I'm all for it. Nintendo should concede defeat this time around and start working on the revolution campaign and getting third parties into legally binding
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ARRRRRRGH! What the f*ck?! After all these interviews where everyone was saying "Resident Evil 4 is a Gamecube exclusive!" in response to media speculation they reveal that in fact they were a bunch of liars and that it isn't. And to announce this before the game is even f*cking released? Way to competely sabotage the game's sales. NO ONE is going to buy a Cube for this now. They've completely killed this momentum Nintendo had been building. Note that this never happens with big PS2 titles. They always wait until the title is released.

Why should we ever buy ANYTHING from third parties anymore? They ALWAYS f*ck us over. Capcom seemed like they were the lone exception but now they've ruined it too. I might as well just pirate any third party games. They never appreciate or reward my support so why should I give them my money?

Who's to blame here? Is it Capcom or Nintendo? Maybe they're doing something and we can't tell but it pisses me off how this kind of sh!t has happened all throughout the Cube's life and Nintendo seemingly does NOTHING about it. All of our exclusives get ported to another console and we miss out on tons of games like GTA that both PS2 and Xbox get. Yet it seems like Nintendo does nothing about this. Like they don't care. Well why should we care then? The Gamecube is by far the most disappointing console I've ever owned. It's like 80% of the promises that were made before launch haven't been fulfilled. How can Nintendo allow stuff like this to happen and expect anyone to buy the Revolution? What's going to change? I'm a Nintendo fan and I'm questioning why I should continue to support them next gen. How are they going to attract those who have already left?

I'm thinking that for a lot of people this is going to be the straw that broke the camel's back.

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Capcom needs to come out and explain everything. This game was under contract to only come out on Cube. I better see Shinji's head rolling on the ground tomorrow apart from his body. -________________________-

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-- RE-make is already released and Resident Evil 0 is coming soon, after that Resident Evil 4. Isn't it Mr. Mikami?
S: Yes.... but I don't think I can say something about Resident Evil 4 yet, young staffs struggling to make good one, so it is changing everyday. Of course I am checking what is going on, but we really don't know what is going to happen.
The only thing I can tell you now is Resident Evil 4 will definitely release only on GameCube, not on another console, if it happens, I will cut my head off.
T: Yeah, I want to say this point LOUD. Resident Evil series will only release on Nintendo, This is done deal.
-- The users are confused because Resident Evil-network is developing on PS2.
T: Yes, we are planning to release RE-network on PS2, but I'm talking about Resident Evil with number series, 1, 0 and 4 and another number Resident Evil series. This kind of orthodox Resident Evil is ONLY in Nintendo.
S: I have to apologies to the users who believed me to buy Dream Cast to play Resident Evil CV, I didn't know Capcom put out the "only on DC" thing. When I found out, that was too late.
T: This time, we really mean it.

-- What is the reason to stick with Nintendo?
S: Compare to PS2, GameCube doesn't have much of market share, but this situation is what we want, we are -the software maker- can take charge to make market. I think if we can get a different kind of users that GameCube already has, is good for both of us.

-- Resident Evil 2, 3 and CV will release on GameCube too.
S: Those games are NOT remake, totally port. Don't misunderstand that.
T: You will not remake those games?
S: No, I just release those games for the new users on GameCube.
T: Why don't you remake?
S: Personally, I want to remake, but if I do, Resident Evil 4 release date will be delay again.
T: Maybe it is better to just release the port and makes it cheap price.
S: So, I'm not going to add anything. If I add something or change something, die-hard fan will buy it, and I don't want that to happen. "No addition, No change".

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Capcom always finds a GD loophole. But I kept hearing that this one game was under contract, what the hell happened to that? How is it that based on 'alot of voices' they 'decided' to release it multiplatform?

I'm not a big RE fan, but I do buy a lot of exclusive nintendo games(even RE0, which i thought was pretty bad). I was going to buy RE4 because nintendo had worked with capcom on it, but now that capcom has done this horrible thing, i'm not gonna buy this game anymore(Not that capcom would care) This is unacceptable!

This is such bullshit. I can't beleive a company like Capcom would break an agreement with Nintendo over this. Which is why I think they bought out their contract from Nintendo. If I am not mistaken RE4 was the only game on the "Capcom 5" was definatly going to be exclusive. IGN makes it seem there was a contract with Nintendo, so Capcom did 1 of 2 things: just straight-up break the contract with Nintendo and are just waiting to get sued like some dumb-ass, OR they bought their contract out from Nintendo. And I think we all know how much Nintendo loves money. Say what you will about them but they know how to be profitable. Folks....Nintendo has offically sold us out.

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If I am not mistaken RE4 was the only game on the "Capcom 5" was definatly going to be exclusive. IGN makes it seem there was a contract with Nintendo, so Capcom did 1 of 2 things: just straight-up break the contract with Nintendo and are just waiting to get sued like some dumb-ass, OR they bought their contract out from Nintendo. And I think we all know how much Nintendo loves money. Say what you will about them but they know how to be profitable. Folks....Nintendo has offically sold us out.

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Thanks for that link, ruby. The irony is truly priceless.

God damn, this is horrible. Sony is always pissing me off. They are going to kill the handheld gaming that I loved so much and now all good 3rd party exclusive games on the GameCube are gone.

Although, it's not SO bad because the Xbox sells to a lot of people for just one game (Halo), so the GameCube can do it as well. ZELDA! HYPE HYPE HYPE!

I'd have to agree, we did get a lot of titles this year, although I didn't like any of them.

I don't think my comment is B.S., Berto2K, but perhaps I'm misinformed about Resident Evil fans and their purchasing patterns. All I know is: RE Remake, RE0, Eternal Darkness and MGS:TS didn't seem to push many GameCubes. GC still has exclusivity for a sizeable timespan on RE4; the game should still sell well on the GameCube.

Purchasing a console based merely on future titles is always a risk--the same thing happened when MS got Rare. I imagine there were PS2 fans upset with DOA on the Xbox, too. If I met someone on the street anxious about the new, mature Zelda and he asked if he should buy a GameCube for it, I'd tell him to wait until one month before a firm, official NOA date or a Japanese release.

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I don't think my comment is B.S., Berto2K, but perhaps I'm misinformed about Resident Evil fans and their purchasing patterns. All I know is: RE Remake, RE0, Eternal Darkness and MGS:TS didn't seem to push many GameCubes.

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RE has done pretty well on GameCube. Maybe they would have sold better on PS2. But the series has been stale in many peoples' eyes. IMO, they wouldn't have set the PS2's world afire either. RE4 was supposed to be different RE, with substantial hype, and all that. On a $100 console there was certainly real potential for hardware and subsequent software sales. As far as:

Eternal Darkness; even Sony couldn't sell ICO. Win some, lose some.

Twin Snakes; zero advertising from Konami. Didn't want to draw attention from MGS3. Thanks, so-called publisher.

It'll still sell well. It won't sell as well. And will the PS2 version sell enough to justify the port? VJ bombed even harder on the PS2. Releasing it one year later, after the next-gen systems' announcements at E3? This will just end up hurting everyone.

THIS CAN'T BE HAPPENING.

I find it hard to believe the end of '05 release date. I think the game will get pushed back into '06, but even if it does release in '05 it will still be a year too late for the game. I can't think of previous "Nintendo Exclusive" that ended getting ported and sold more on the next system. Not with Viewtiful Joe on PS2, not with Godzilla on Xbox <---- that was a BIG bomb, and not with RE4. Capcom is just being greedy and stupid. Some people are going to skip on RE4 on GCN waiting for it to come to PS2 and when it finally gets released it will be old news and NEW christmas releases will eclipse the port of a year old game hurting it's sales. I think this is a mistake for Capcom on many differnt levels.

Lesson learned. Next time I'll buy whichever system takes the top spot, probably PS3. Whenever a 2d game or something like that gets rejected by SCEA I'm going to point at the publisher at loss and LAUGH at them. Let them learn what "free market" really means!

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MaleficentOgre: I was previously against moving it to revolution, but now I'm all for it. Nintendo should concede defeat this time around and start working on the revolution campaign and getting third parties into legally binding agreements from third parties.

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Coming soon in drama land, Sony will give Capcom a money hat so that only the PS2 logo appears on RE4 print and television adverts. Seriously, I can see it happening.

I thought Capcom and Nintendo had stated that there was some sort of contract (signed prior to the release of the GameCube) that made the main Resident Evil series of games exclusive to Nintendo's console. I thought Capcom was contractually obligated to keep RE4 an exclusive Nintendo GameCube title.

I wonder if Nintendo can take any legal recourse against Capcom for breach of contract? Unless that contract expires sometime before the release of RE4 on the PS2?

Sorry for wording this like a 3 year old. I just woke up and well, this is the first thing I read. Happy Monday!!!

And what about RE Zero?

They might as well port that over to the PS2 too, using the excuse they gave us 'Cube owners when they ported 2, 3 and CVX about being able to play all of the main RE titles on one system.

The game is going to look like garbage and run like crap. I was amazed they were able to pull off what they did on the GCN, let alone PORTING it to a inferior machine. I mean a port is never as good as the original even if it is ported to a better machine, but when they put it on a INFERIOR machine it will be total trash. Might as well port it to dreamcast for that matter. GEEZ

Contracts are bound to end, why do you think Capcom will release RE4 on the PS2 at the end of 2005? Capcom has always milked the Resident Evil franchise, look at the PS1, N64 and DC. So I wasn't that surprised this has been announced, considering what happened to Viewtiful Joe and Killer 7, but it's a really bad timing though. Capcom are really becoming the backstabbers of Nintendo. *sigh* Oh how I loved you once, Capcom.

The thing is shinji hates the ps2. He's not going to have a damn thing to do with the port, so it'll suck unbeleivably. If capcom does this again he's gone.

But he had something to do with the original so it won't 'suck unbelievably'. Jeez, I honestly can't believe this. It is so wrong to the point that it is unprofessional. IGN PS2 is having a field day.

some of you guys are being ridiculous. I can understand being mad that capcom lied repeatedly. But some of you are saying things like, i am really disappointed in gc, or i should have got a ps2, or well i learned my leason and now i am going to get a ps3 instead of revolution. I would understand you saying this IF Re4 was moved to Ps2 and canceled on GC. But since gc is still getting it, and a year earlier than the ps2, im not sure what leason you learned or why that disappoints you further with your gc? If you were already disappointed with your GC then fine, but this should not bring about any further disappointment for your GC. Im not sure if you sound spoiled, like you want to be the only one to have the game, or what, but its a pretty immature attitude to have.

oh well
who cares
late 2005 will be the start of a new Era of video gaming anyway
people will be too busy saving for the new machines anyway, which at that point normally have low sales anyway

I learnt that I can either buy a Rev and get a few games or buy a PS3 and get all of the third-party games released on the Rev PLUS a huge library of exclusives. I'm not that interested in Nintendo's first party titles so they're not enough to sway me. It's just that the PS2 is a much better deal since it gets everything the competition gets but the competition gets almost nothing the PS2 gets. I'm planning on getting a PS2 to catch up on at least some of the top games this gen since the Cube got so few, anyway.

Now nintendo needs to release revolution BEFORE Capcom releases this on the ps2...take some wind out of their sales... =P But seriously....I'm getting a seriously bad feeling in my gut about everything.... As I've always said, I don't let this crap bother me until it gets to the point where I worry about nintendo's livlihood as a company. Now all of the sudden the PSP is gonna be a viable contender....the biggest 3rd party game to hit the gamecube is no longer exclusive...demasked is delayed....

:: Pale gets worried ::

"But since gc is still getting it, and a year earlier than the ps2, im not sure what leason you learned or why that disappoints you further with your gc?"

Sure the Cube is still getting Resident Evil 4 but now you don't need a Cube to get it. The amount of titles that absolutely require a Gamecube to play are shrinking. So thus one might question a Cube purchase because realistically they could have bought a PS2 and got the same third party games plus more.

Plus this removal of exclusivity is significant. This is the last major third party exclusive that we know of and now it's no longer exclusive. That suggests a pretty bleak future for the Cube's lineup. It also shows that third parties aren't interested in Nintendo anymore. That suggests they're not going to take a risk with the Revolution as well. The Revolution is going to be the hardest system to sell ever because of stuff like this. Nintendo's welfare is now at risk and if they go broke we don't get any more of their games and the industry is run by multimedia corporations who see games purely as product to sell.

I now have no respect of Capcom. I am still getting Resident Evil 4, but after that I am not too sure if I want to give my money to Capcom (I am getting the GBA Mega Man Collection too, but I don't know when that will actually come out), so actually I am planning on getting only 2 more games from Capcom, 'tis a shame too.

hold on, hold on.....
you cant determine anything about the Revolution yet. We don't even know what it IS. You don't name something Revolution unless it is going to deliver. I highly doubt it is just another processing power upgrade.

logically, you cant be more disappointed in your GC because RE4 is going to PS2, because it only affects what is on PS2, not what is on GC. After hearing this news, GC has not lost a game, so it still has what it had before that announcement so this should not make you more or less happy or content with GC's lineup than before.

BOOOOO to the Nth.
I'm not surprised, but why did they have to announce it BEFORE the game even comes out? It's not like the PS2 version stands to gain anything by announcing it a year in advance, and the GameCube version stands to lose a lot.

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Well, if there's one thing we've learned today, it's that you should never rely on third parties: they're fickle and will go wherever the market leads them.

And they'll always be on the other systems because Nintendo simply isn't cut out to be the leader of the market anymore: they're simply, plainly, culturally irrelevant to most modern gamers. And the very thing that makes them irrelevant is their dedication to game-control-and-quality-at-the-cost-of-everything-else. So in the end, it's just that the time for Nintendo being the biggest thing in gaming is over. They had their day back in the 80's and 90's. It's someone else's turn now, and Sony/Microsoft are suited to bring gaming to today's masses in a way that Nintendo never could.

But another thing we should all be learning is: "are we Nintendo fans?" Does it matter to us if we're niche or not? Does it matter to us that we're buying a console for only one company's games? Does Nintendo still strike us as the only quality game maker out there, or do we play their games and go "eh..." like all our PS2-loving friends?

Simply put: DO we care enough about playing Nintendo games to disregard marketshare and industry speak? Do we believe that we can't find higher quality games of this style elsewhere? Do Nintendo values still matter to us in these modern days?

Carmine M. Red
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Guys, guys, Resident Evil 4 is an entirely different matter than Viewtiful Joe or Tales of Symphonia. This isn't just adding a few extra levels and options anymore. Ask yourself: Could RE4 look that gorgeous on the PS2? RE4 is specificially developed using the GCN hardware and probably to its fullest potential.

People will still buy the GCN for RE4, it's that the more patient ones will wait and likely get a version not as nice looking. I understand you're worried about future third-party support, but this isn't a 'Nintendo is doomed' scenario yet again.

Well the good news is that mainly hardcore RE fans will hear of this but wait no......NO.....NOOOO...........Remember that PS2 loving salesman at Gamestop........Oh $hit.......He's gonna tell all those little mainstream gamers...........

Officially pissed off at Capcom. I wanted that Street Fighter Collection and the cool Street fighter controller, but no Nintendo doesn't get it. Nintendo should just take Zelda Minish Cap away from them, steal all the game data and finish the game themselves and take all profits from the game.

Realistically Capcom just f*cked themselves. As some one already mentioned late 2005 is around when the next generation is rumored to be starting. All Capcom has done now is pissed a hell of a lot of GC owners off and destroyed their own hype. I can promise the sales won't be as strong as the would have been. A lot of people were willing to buy cubes for this. Now many will wait (and hopefully forget) about RE4... lost in the holiday shuffle of '05.
I think this is a Sony conspiracy to ensure no mature games do well on the GCN. We'll never get an M-rated 3rd title again...
"hold on, hold on.....
you cant determine anything about the Revolution yet. We don't even know what it IS. You don't name something Revolution unless it is going to deliver. I highly doubt it is just another processing power upgrade."
Well I usually don't do predict doom for a console that hasn't even been described yet, but Nintendo is on a very bad downward trend. They have no marketshare or mindshare and it is sh!t like this that reinforces it monthly. I let ToS, Monkey ball, and the rest of the Capcom 4 go because they were never under contract, but RE4 IS under contract. A contract that still has a year left and Capcom is making this announcement before the game is out. And Capcom is a 3rd party WITH respect for Nintendo. With friends like that, who the hell needs enemies. I'm sure Baiten Kaitos is next on the 'to port list'.

Baten Kaitos sold like sh#t, it's as much a candidate for porting as P.N.03.

Capcom sums' a bitches!

OK, Can anyone tell me how Capcom was able to get out of the "Capcom five contract" with nearly every game?
Didn't Mikami himself say even he didn't expect Capcom to honor his contracts anymore? And does this mean that Nintendo PAID for this game to be developed and now Capcom gets a free game to port to the Piss-Station-2?

I didn't like there dealings before and now I officially declare That Capcom SUCKS!

Well... if anyone here lives in Japan. Or wants to call long long distance. The best place to complain would be

Public Relations Office
Tanaka and Inoda, Capcom Co., Ltd.
(Tel)+81-6-6920-3623, (Fax)+81-6920-5108

Whents the last time Nintendo had a Third Party exclusive that stayed exclusive?


This is getting Retarded. This is the reason why Nintendo gets its ass kicked by Sony.

I think you people are way to quick to jump on the "nintendo is d00000m3d" bandwagon. Nintendo is making money, not loseing it. They also have , in my opinion, the best console lineup out today. I have an Xbox and a beefy computer. What do I play the most? My Gamecube. You all can say as mush as you want about the mistakes Nintendo has made but the fact remains there are some incredible games that have been released exclusively fo the GCN, and isn't that what is really important? There are still quite a few to come and ones yet to be announced. Nintendo may not be number 1 but there are some logical reasons for this. 1, PS2 was realeased a whole year before the GCN and Xbox, it is easily the weakest of the 3 but the but still has the largest market share do to the simple fact that it came out so early (some would say too early). 2, the Xbox came out the door with guns blazing spending tons of money or advertising and getting exclusives and buying games. They had the most powerful system with a hard-drive built in and the most comprihensive and thourogh on-line service availible for cheap. They were eating an estimated $150 on each Xbox sold when it first released and are still loseing money on each one today. Xbox live has yet to turn a profit for them, as has the Xbox as a whole. The xbox has done but lose money for Microsoft, compunded on the fact that the systems is a pirates wet dream the whole project monatarily speaking is a bust. After taking all that in, the Xbox is ARGUABLY in 2nd place in the US, its not even what I would call in last place in Japan, hell it's not even in the race here. But no one ever rights articles about Microsoft and all the mistakes they made. No one ever picks on Xbox, even the GCN has made more money for Nintendo than the Xbox EVER will for Microsoft. I think you all need to step back and re-evaluate the problems you have with Nintendo. I agree this is a dickhead move on Capcom's part, but the Revolution is right around the corner. Its too early to call the console predictions, but here is my DS vs. PSP predictions. DS and PSP will have strong openings, maybe slightly in favor of the PSP. But the DS will win. History tells us gamers are more interested in battery life, ease of portability and games than graphics and special features. Gameboy has constintly beat out competitours with better hardware, more gadgets and the latest innovations. I think the PSP will end up being a dud just like every other handheld left in Nintendo's wake.

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Yeah... Sega sure is loosing money by not porting Beach Spikers to the PS2 Lol...


Monkey Ball... (Wheres Monkey Ball 3?) Sonic Mega Collection... Sonic Hereos... Tales of Symphonia... Every Capcom 5 Title... Jeeze... Its sad.

im trying to stay optimistic of nintendo, but bad news just keeps pouring in. I figure the war between DS and PSP will be the teller of what to expect next generation. After all nintendo did say the DS is part of what to expect for the revolution. I surely hope nintendo will trounce the psp but so far its not looking good.

"When's the last time Nintendo had a Third Party exclusive that stayed exclusive?"

Final Fantasy: Crystal Chronicles is still exclusive. Same with Metal Gear Solid: The Twin Snakes (for now). Though with Twin Snakes you can argue that as a remake of a Playstation game that it's not truly exclusive. And FFCC is published by Nintendo so you might not count it as third party. So in that case I guess it would be Rebel Strike which is rumoured to be ported to the Xbox with Rogue Leader.

Exactly.... Nintendo wont go anywhere without Third Party Exclusives...


I wonder what Capcom had to do to break the contract.... Pay some of the monye back? Make another deal with Nintendo? I.E the Next RE will still be on the Gamecube/Revoluton first Ala GTA...

Nintendo had to know about this, If not they could sue Capcom for Breach of Contract.

Rebel Strike :-(

Even Super Monkey Ball is being ported around. In the short term, it's good for gamers...more people can play these great games. But in the long-term, it hurts Nintendo, which I think will hurt gamers if things get further out of hand.

Pretty Much... Nintendo needs a big time announcement soon to help turn things around

IGNPS2 has updated their article with some quotes from Capcom now. Most notably:

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It would be hilarious, if Nintendo hired Mikami away from Capcom....


I think it was one of PSMs predictions. Or Hideo Kojima...

Hey PSM ended up being right about RE4...

The contract simply expires at the time of the future PS2 release. Exclusivity contracts mostly last for half a year, getting a four year contract is pretty fortunate. You know, everyone is taking this news from Nintendo's point of view, you could also see it from Capcom's point of view. Capcom's financial situation isn't all that bright the last few years. I don't know the exact numbers, but it isn't good. Devil May Cry 2 was a disaster, the sales of the PS2 version of Viewtiful Joe hasn't sold well up to this point. So to be able to keep the company healthy and to continue the Resident Evil, Mega Man, Devil May Cry series etcetera, serious money is needed. And that's why I think the high executives at Capcom decided this. I don't think they planned this to screw Nintendo. Can you really blame Capcom? Or would you rather they'd go bankrupt? Mikami is just the developer, he doesn't know the exact financial situation of Capcom.

You could see it from a positive point of view and be thankful they released Resident Evil, Resident Evil 0 exclusively and Viewtiful Joe, Resident Evil 4 etcetera on the GCN first. Who would have thought the GCN would snatch the Resident Evil series five years ago? Capcom has supported the GCN for so long and has taken financial hits of many things as well. I really commend them for being supportive for so long. It isn't that Capcom will cease all Nintendo support, on the contrary, we'll see many more Capcom titles coming to Nintendo consoles if it's financially stable again. But that worries me, what if Capcom doesn't? It would be truly sad if some day Capcom has to leave the video game business.

*sigh* To me this all sounds like fanboy squabble. You still get to enjoy the game. Or is it that you can't enjoy it knowing that PS2 owners can enjoy it too after a year? Because that would be really sad.

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*sigh* To me this all sounds like fanboy squabble. You still get to enjoy the game. Or is it that you can't enjoy it knowing that PS2 owners can enjoy it too after a year? Because that would be really sad.

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Even if the contract expired in time for ports, the timing of this announcement is simply horrible.

WAY TO GO CRAPCOM. YOU COULD'VE HAD GREAT CUBE SALES AND GREAT PS2 SALES, BUT NOW YOU'LL GET ok CUBE SALES AND GREAT PS2 SALES, AND WASTED YOUR MONEY MARKETING THE CUBE VERSION.

I PLACE THE VIEWTIFUL JOE PS2 SALES CURSE ON THEE "THINNERRRRR..."

Hey, Capcom! You forgot your knife! It's stuck in Nintendo's back!

I can just tell how this is gonna turn out. RE4 sales are gonna suck, and Capcom's gonna say that it just doesn't sell well on the Gamecube, and that they HAD to port it to the PS2.

Ugh. Nintendo just can't seem to turn around these days without getting spit in the face by a third party. I'm very disappointed in Capcom. The very least they could have done is waited until after the game's release. Now the sales are probably gonna suck and Capcom will simply blame Nintendo.

"The contract simply expires at the time of the future PS2 release. Exclusivity contracts mostly last for half a year, getting a four year contract is pretty fortunate."
A four year contract on an idea for a game- how fortunate. The game isn't out yet and after it is released it will be less than a year on a game that was claimed to be staying exclusive PERIOD.
DMC2: Ouch, things don't always work out.
VJ Port: Ohh, I'm so sorry Capcom wasted money porting a game that did well on the Cube and predictably didn't do so hot on the PS2. Wahh!
I can blame Capcom because it was a stupid decision to announce it now. It is bad enough they are porting it but to announce it before the game is even out the door? See my view on capcom and what they should have done from Prof. 666. This is so definitely Sony influenced. Or the business folk at Capcom are retards who couldn't wait to spread the news and blew their chance of great sales on both systems.

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Secondly, you can't see why people are upset? They planned on having the RE series exclusive when they bought the GC.

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I don't think you exactly know what exclusivity means. If Capcom actually broke the contract, wouldn't Nintendo lawyers hunt them down?

Exclusive doesnt really mean it wont be released on any other system. Splinter Cell was exclusive to X-box, for about 4 months. So if Resident Evil 4 is exclusive to gamecube for year, thats not a bad deal. And lets not forget, the PS2 version is gonna be so watered down. Its gonna be just like Splinter Cell, the X-box version ran smoother, and looked much better. I dont really blame them, a crappy version of RE4 will still sell a million units on PS2, and the superior gamecube version wont sell to much better. A year of exclusiveness is still better than none at all.

Your confusing Console Exclusivity with Time Exclusivity.


DOA Franchise, Final Fantasy, Metal Gear Solid 3, Devil may cry all examples of Console exclusivity.

Splinter Cell is a good example of a time exclusive game

GTA 3/Vice City were originally Console Exclusives, but Rockstar re-negotiated with Sony to allow them to release it on the Xbox, of course Sony got exclusive rights to San Andreas, and possibly PS3 GTAs...

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Secondly, you can't see why people are upset? They planned on having the RE series exclusive when they bought the GC.

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And they can still get it and the many titles coming to the GCN. I don't see what the problem is short term. Long term I could understand though.

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Technically P.N. 03 is still exclusive. This happened a long time ago and Capcom is now struggling. It's a business trying to survive the harsh world of big corporations. Try to understand that.

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don't think you exactly know what exclusivity means. If Capcom actually broke the contract, wouldn't Nintendo lawyers hunt them down?

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That's absurd! They would never talk like that. I would think that Nintendo is so busy with everything else that they let that slip by. How, I'd like to know...

This really is a huge disapointment, I only ask for a reasonable explanation and Nintendo's reaction. As long as Zelda makes it to the cube before 2006, I'm happy.

Good conversation, Djunknown

I'm surprised by all the Mikami hatred. This obviously came from higher up. In the last few years Capcom has lost a few top producers because of them butting heads with management. Besides this is all a moot point anyway. If this were a SNES vs. Genesis situation from the early 90s it would be major. In the US at least Nintendo and Sega were in a dead heat. The GC is third place worldwide and its not going to catch X-box. In the US the X-box is outselling the PS2 the GC isn't even in the equation. Nintendo is going to do all it can to provide content until the Revolution arrives. Nintendo made some blunders, MS took advantage and here we are. We can only hope that "perceived" aggressive streak Nintendo is on with DS continues and carrys on to all there future products. I'm still a big Capcom fan and I'm still gonna by RE4.

I have my DS reserved. That stated as big of a Nintendo fan as I am. I can see the writing on the wall. No I'm not talking about Nintendo going belly up. I'm talking about not being factor. Outside of the portable market Nintendo has no mindshare. Its always do you have a PS2 or X-box. Articles talking about the gaming market only mention Nintendo in passing if at all. Although the PS2 is well in front, right the X-box has the most mindshare. This will help them in the next generation. Nintendo has virtually no mindshare and what little it does have is negative. Looking at the situation we should be glad that Capcom has done what it has. Capcom isn't going to do what it did with Dreamcast. They hedged there bets a bit with GC, saw similar trends and made the decision that best suited them. Given the predicament that Japanese developers are in, Capcom has to do what it can to survive. With Western developers dominating the market, having your bread and butter franchise on the 3rd place console isn't going to help your standing.

I'm hardly some expert and won't pretend to be. Nintendo know what to do and honestly I never thought I'd say this but the PSP maybe the best thing to happen to Nintendo. They can't afford to be conservative while they ranking dough from the portable market. They have to be aggressive. Now the Nintendo that has been running its portable division will be running the whole company. The portable side of Nintendo always had that killer instinct....seemed to take pride in the number of competitor they could destroy. Now they seem to be even more aggressive. Thats makes me happy. Sony and its PSP have seemed to wake the sleeping giant. All I can say is that its about damned time.

Darc Requiem

Okay, bottom line is this- the timing of the announcement was made specifically for Sony. How else to explain it? I can just see Sony execs sitting back laughing as they stole the GCs thunder.

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The GC is third place worldwide and its not going to catch X-box.

-Thats not true, X-box doesn't have any sort if marketshare here in Japan. They sell like 500 X-Boxs a month in this country. And Japan is the 2nd biggest game market in the world.

In the US the X-box is outselling the PS2 the GC isn't even in the equation.

-I find that hard to beleive, just because it may sell better than the 2 other systems for a month, doesn't make it the dominant system. And besides GCN can and do sell better than PS2 or X-Box games, Vietiful Joe, Godzilla, Soul Caliber...

It all comes down to this:

Capcom decided that Money was more important than Values/Ethics/Morales/Ones Word/ ect.

They sold out plain and simple!

If Mega Man X series and the Resident Evil Series where not my most favorite series of all time I would never consider buying a Capcom game EVER again.

RE4 is my most anticapted game in my 21 years on this planet. If it wasnt for that I wouldn't buy it.

I have RE0, RE1, RE2 on N64, Mega Man X on Snes. All the games I own are either Nintendo First Party/ Exlusive, EA Sports or Capcom games.

And Benjudd spare me this:
"Lets escape from reality into a morally perfect utopia where none of us lie and we are all perfect beings..."

Talk about PR Spin! Is this supposed to be an excuse. So the world is full of lairs so that supposed to make it okay. What's the saying "If everyone jumps off a bridge......"

I will buy this game the day it is released, but I will be mad when the PS2 version gets all the bonus material and all the cool extras.

I refuse to buy a non Nintendo console. I got every one Nintendo ever made except Virtual Boy. See Nintendo fans are smart. I'm a hardcore RE fan but im not paying $39.99 for a several year old port of RE2 OR RE3. They where supposed to be $19.99 yet another Capcom lie.....

Product Number 2 was just garbage, and Capcom is mad we didnt buy it. Viewtiful Joe sold well and what does Capcom do, port it over to PS2 and make the sequel multiplatform. Its a lose lose for Nintendo.

Ask yourself this:
Is Capcom more interested in making Great, Highly Rated games, Critcally Acclaimed games, that garner mediacore sales, or releasing a crappy "Mature" game that that goes quadruple platinum and makes them Millions of dollars.

The power of the allmighty yen.....
Money is definatley the root of all evil......

The root of all Resident Evil, that is.

I think you guys are getting a bit too overdramatic about this.

It's not like Nintendo is exactly holding up their end of this bargain. Back in 2001, when Capcom signed the deal with Nintendo, Iwata was saying there'd be
50 million GameCubes sold.

Nintendo will be lucky to end up with 25 million sold total by the end of the generation. They themselves haven't done a very good job in selling the platform to consumers, Capcom can only do so much. I don't think Capcom signed on to "sacrifice" their top franchise solely for Nintendo's sake.

Nintendo just has no sway with 15-30 year old consumers aside from the hardcore Nintendo set. Maybe Capcom shouldn't have been naive enough to sign the deal in the first place knowing that, but they probably thought Nintendo would do a helluva lot more in terms of content and marketing in helping them get such an audience.

Obviously things haven't really worked out. I don't expect Nintendo to convince many third parties to offer up such big exclusives in the future either. Capcom isn't the only one, Namco ported Tales of Symphonia to the PS2, Sega has ported Monkey Ball, and originally Virtua Fighter Quest was supposed to be GCN-only.

Capcom's had a rough few financial quarters, they have their own bills to pay. Nintendo probably understands that, and what difference does it make anyway? Chances are there weren't going to be a ton of PS2 owners buying a GC solely for this game. One game is still only one game, there's not enough titles like RE4 on the GCN to get people to move over en masse (and this is not Capcom's fault). GameCube still gets the title first and will probably have the better looking version of the game.

And of course Capcom is interested in making money. So is Nintendo. Making games like Resident Evil 4 isn't cheap and it takes years of development to make a game like that, if I was a developer on such a title, it would absolutely kill me to put so much effort into a game and then watch it get ignored by most of the market. There's absolutely nothing wrong with wanting a game to sell well.

BTW: According to IGN it was NINTENDO that forced Capcom to raise the price of RE2/RE3. Capcom wanted to sell them at $19.99, but Nintendo wouldn't give them a break on the licensing fees.

Well, technically, Tales of Symphonia is still exclusive here. There hasn't been an announcement to release it here on the PS2 and I don't think it'll happen soon either since Nintendo and Namco co-localized it. And knowing Namco, they're very reluctant to release it all by themselves seeing how bad the Tales of... series have done here.

But to be on-topic again, yeah, it's really bad timing. But saying Mikami and the director should get their heads cut off for lying to us is a bit too far. They're not responsible for this and knowing Mikami he would have stayed by his word, but the head of Capcom decided to port RE4 for more money. And knowing what Capcom did with the Resident Evil series in the past, who didn't saw this coming eventually? A bit too soon I admit. Now just enjoy RE4, dammit.

And this is aimed towards soundwave, the financial results tell us that the PS2 division did badly. Breath of Fire, Chaos Legion, Devil May Cry 2, Gregory Horror Show, Maximo, Onimusha, Resident Evil Outbreak, Street Fighter Another Edition, Viewtiful Joe didn't sell too well on the top of my head. This isn't all Nintendo's fault, it's also the fault of Capcom's internal divisions for developing mediocre games.

Number 1: There are too many "I will follow you to death, my Nintendo!" type people here. Too many blind fanboys of age 15 or lower. Everyone who is older and more mature, please bare that in mind! Nobody wants to be caught with their pants down arguing with a 15 year old, mommy’s boy.

And Number 2: Like some people have suggested already, the reality of life and true logic dictates that this is the incompetence of Nintendo and not Capcom. Capcom did indeed kick Nintendo in the nuts, yes! But Nintendo saw the kick coming from miles away and they did nothing. It’s a company’s job to kick people in the nuts for cash. Nintendo does it to us and Capcom does it to Nintendo. Facts of life!



If some of the following apply to you then, I feel your frustration.
- I bought the Gamecube with the promise of innovative gameplay.
- In addition to innovative software I expected Perfect Dark from Rare
- Likewise I am a Jet Force Gemini fan.
- I expected an excellent follow up to Turok.
- I expected an excellent follow up to F1 world grand prix or World Driver Championship.
- I expected an excellent Soccerl sim from Konami (Like the time on the N64).
- I expected Resident Evil.
- I expected an excellent Zelda.

Now some of what I wanted did happen but most did not. Some were up to Nintendo and some weren’t (such as Turok).In case you were wondering, I never got the excellent Zelda i was waiting for on the cube; I only got a very good one.

See? See? I got kicked in the nuts by Nintendo. Gamecube is the only specialized videogames console right? Nintendo is the only specialized videogames company right? Then how comes non specialized videogames consoles have games like, oh I don’t know, from the top of my head now ICO, Gran Tourismo #, Pro Evolution (aka Winning Eleven) #, Final Fantasy #, Halo #, Morrowind, Links Golf, Ratchet and Clank #, GTA #, Burnout 3, Virtua Tennis, F1 2004+, WRC, Silent Hill, Katamari Damancy, MGS 2/3... Noticed what i was missing? See? Nintendo just kicked me in the nuts again. But hey, I love Nintendo and I am still loyal ...DMC, Ace Combat, Ridick, Ninja Gaiden... Not again? There goes my nuts!

Dear Iwata/Yaumuchi, is that a way of treating a loyal and a paying customer(s)? Where is your PR people? Oh i forgot... you don't have one! or you do? I am confused.

Nintendo, i can't thank you enough for Prime, It was an amazing experince. Again, many thanks. Thank you also for Eternal Darkness. Thank you for cooperating with Namco on ToS and BK. Thank you for your cooperation with Capcom, RE: Remake was oozing with atmosphere and no doubt RE 4 will be amazing too. But hey I just realized something; I can count all those positives using one hand and the great thing is… I’ll have two fingers left free! One for picking my nose and another to put in my mouth.

Nintendo, i'll follow your theme of inconstructive and confusing structure by adding in a paragraph that has nothing to do with the previous or next. I just wanna say that ofcoarse you can't have Halo on GC, nor Gran Tourismo, nor ICO and not even Ratchet and Clank. WHy not? Well if you haven't guessed already (yeah right!), those companies belong either to Sony or Microsoft. But these games carry a significant fanbase, some more then others. Not only that, but all of the companies responsible for the above exceptional games have less industry experience then Nintendo and yet look at quality of them. Bungie being the crown jewel of Microsfot and PD being the crown jewel of Sony. We didn't even mention Rare.

First you get $375 million by selling Rare without making up for it. Then you just stop cooperating with Silicon Knights without making up for it. And now you lost the 100% exclusivity of a mega budget triple A game? Sure it’s a time exclusive but that’s not the point now is it? Otherwise… why would Capcom need to announce the existence of RE 4 on the Playstation 2 now? You kicked my nuts again Nintendo. You kicked them many times. Now if I oly knew how easy it was for other mid sized companies to kick your giant corporate nuts then I wouldn’t have let you kick my nuts to begin with. See? You even failed to deliver on your nut kicking policy. But hey I won’t ever deny that you’re a great company, or used to be. Although I won’t let you kick my nuts again, there are a whole lot of good people who still have faith in you. For the sake of your few remaining fans, please get your act together.

One last thing... for all you short sighted people who are predicting that Nintendo will die because of this then just... well... oh well... I disagree. Nintendo is too stable financially, making hundreds of millions of net profit every year. Nintendo isn't going down. They are just slowly slowly retreating into a cave on the console front. We can all comfortably assume that Nintendo aren't the forerunners in this generation of consoles with the gamecube.

By the way Ian Sane, what you say most of the time is dead on! You are my most respected PGC forumer. But i don't think taking an absolute negative tone is the correct approach to this piece of news. After all we should at least be happy that more people will play the game. But still, it's a crying shame for the lies that Cubers have have had to put up with.

P.S. Nintendo did see this coming.

P.S.S If i had a third finger free, we all know where i could put it

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See? See? I got kicked in the nuts by Nintendo. Gamecube is the only specialized videogames console right? Nintendo is the only specialized videogames company right? Then how comes non specialized videogames consoles have games like, oh I don’t know, from the top of my head now ICO, Gran Tourismo #, Pro Evolution (aka Winning Eleven) #, Final Fantasy #, Halo #, Morrowind, Links Golf, Ratchet and Clank #, GTA #, Burnout 3, Virtua Tennis, F1 2004+, WRC, Silent Hill, Katamari Damancy, MGS 2/3... Noticed what i was missing? See? Nintendo just kicked me in the nuts again. But hey, I love Nintendo and I am still loyal ...DMC, Ace Combat, Ridick, Ninja Gaiden... Not again? There goes my nuts!

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"In case you were wondering, I never got the excellent Zelda i was waiting for on the cube; I only got a very good one.

See? See? I got kicked in the nuts by Nintendo."

Oh you poor baby...Here's your bottle...You sound like a little kid rattling off everything he didn't get for Christmas...

Bill is here to save the day.

Now that I've had some time to calm down and think a little bit more rationally I've thought of a game that was in a similar situation to Resident Evil 4 and yet still was a strong killer app for the console it debuted on: Splinter Cell. Despite the fact that it was public knowledge that Splinter Cell was only a timed exclusive for the Xbox and would be brought to the PS2 (I don't remember if the Cube port was annouced at the time) Splinter Cell still was a huge success for the Xbox. It outsold Metroid Prime and helped MS beat Nintendo in the 2002 Christmas season. One could argue that the Xbox's success in North America is largely thanks to their strong late 2002 sales.

RE4 obviously doesn't have quite the same situation. In 2002 people were looking for a reason to buy an Xbox but in 2005 people are looking for an excuse not to buy a Cube. The Xbox had a postive buzz when Splinter Cell was released which is a luxury the Cube doesn't really have. Plus Splinter Cell's sales were also helped by the incredibly successful Xbox Sega bundle that was released that year. However like Splinter Cell, RE4 is going to debut on one console a significant time period before it's released on another and like Splinter Cell it's pretty much a given that the original is going to have the best graphics.

I still think that announcing the port before the Cube version was released is going to steal some of the Cube version's thunder and the timing of the announcement was likely "suggested" by Sony. I still think it's going to lose some Cube sales. But it might be okay if Nintendo markets it well (that's a dreaded "if") and builds up a lot of hype for it. If Nintendo just acts as if it is exclusive they might be okay.

Still this is a negative piece of news overall. How Nintendo handles it is going to have a large effect on how they're seen by their fans and the general gaming public.

I doubt Nintendo will have much to say about it.

They barely said anything about the departures of Rare or Silicon Knights and have never talked about developers like LucasArts dropping GCN support entirely.

Besides anything like that would just serve to piss off Capcom furthur. They could easily just turn around and say "well, we're not supporting Revolution at all, we're going to have our hands full with PS3 and XBox 2".

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"Nintendo was setting up their own system to officially allow for those discounts. Capcom was going to be the first company to take advantage of it. Nintendo delayed the implementation of that system. Capcom got pissed and released the ports for a full $50, publically blamed Nintendo for it, and then laughed as the games sat rotting on store shelves. Something like two months after Capcom released the ports, Nintendo launched their discount line."

Now this is tricky. Who do I get mad at for this blunder? Capcom for being impatient and dooming their own games or Nintendo for delaying the whole thing? I guess both are worth some blame but Nintendo can't be delaying sh!t like this. That's not good for third party relations. How do you delay something like that anyway? When a third party is relying on you to do something in order to release a game you DO IT. It's the same thing as Nintendo delaying the broadband adapter while Sega was waiting to release PSO.

$50 is too high, RE2/3/CV each released for $39.99($40) here in America at least. Only $10 but still doesn't contradict your point. They were originally going to release for $19.99 but suddenly jumped in price, pissed me off too. I bought them all because I wanted a complete set, even though I already had RE2 on N64.

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Hm, then stores apparently refuse to stock the ports, never seen a single one on a shelf. Not even Amazon lists them.

I really should check PGC more often. I totally missed this news. And it's already old news. Damn this sucks. Hard core.

Don't sweat it. Its one of those "WTF" type headlines you don't expect. No rumors, speculation, just BAM! Capcom pulls a fast one.

Checking on Nintendo's official forums, (aside from being badly moderated, they have half a dozen threads dedicated to this topic and aren't locked.) they seem to go "meh, its not the end of the world. Ninty is still in it." (sorry Bill, I know that's your word...)

In trying to find the proverbial silver lining, it can't get any worse, can it? What else can 3rd parties do to rape the 'big' N?

After thinking it over, i dont think it will matter in the long run. Nintendo will still get some nice sales from the game, and will have it first, and have look better on their system. As long as we got Zelda, im happy.

In trying to find the proverbial silver lining, it can't get any worse, can it? What else can 3rd parties do to rape the 'big' N?

Weeell... All third parties could simultaneously decide to become PSP exclusive. Or a giant comet could hit the earth and wipe out any form of intelligent life. Or we get to see WWIII from the front row... These are ordered by probability, guess which one is the least likely...

If Nintendo knew that the deal for the Big 5 could be compromised at any time I don't know why they were so big about pushing it. Unless Nintendo really is stupid, they must've gotten some compensation from Capcom for losing a big title lke RE4.

Like I said, unless Nintendo really is stupid which, in this case, I'm beginning to think they are. But then I don't know how these deals/contracts/promises/etc. work...

It's better to have a good relationship with your third-parties instead of doing things that they might not like.

Exactly, Chen. If Capcom says, "We're putting this on PS2, whether you like it or not!" there isn't much Nintendo can do. Perhaps they could use legal measures if the contract is vague, but that would just delay the GameCube version and really piss Capcom off.

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Nintendo will be lucky to end up with 25 million sold total by the end of the generation. They themselves haven't done a very good job in selling the platform to consumers, Capcom can only do so much. I don't think Capcom signed on to "sacrifice" their top franchise solely for Nintendo's sake.

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Gotcha Force got slammed by the critics and bombed. It's available for 30€ here, which is a surefire indicator for non-Player's Choice games that failed badly.

"Hey, there's a fighting game from Capcom available on the Cube. What are the odds of that? But... umm... just one? Where are the rest of them?"

To be fair it's possible that Capcom would have released more fighting games for the Cube if the controller wasn't so sh!tty. Nintendo retarded button layout and dismal d-pad ruined that game. If I was Capcom I wouldn't have released any more Cube fighters either.

Say hello to the Hori Digital Controller.

And about the sales expectations, RE Remake did quite above expectations, but RE0 didn't.

Actually my friend rented Capcom vs. SNK and said it suffered from control issues that had nothing to do with the Cube's controller. I heard one mode played entirely with the shoulder buttons as the attacking buttons. If this is true, WTF? I think Capcom needs to put control configuration in all their games because they seem to be off.

"Say hello to the Hori Digital Controller."

I have two of those and have been looking for a used copy of Capcom vs SNK ever since. It's a suitable solution but you can't rely on people to buy third party controllers that are currently only available in Japan. No third party is going to go for that.

"I heard one mode played entirely with the shoulder buttons as the attacking buttons."

There were a lot of odd controller configurations. These were an attempt to accomodate the sh!tty Cube controller. You can play the game with normal controls as well.

It's Capcom using a six button layout. No current controller is suited for those and modern fighting games all use three or four buttons.
I find the a-stick to be more useful for fighting games than the dpad, entering quarter circles and stuff is just a whole lot easier using the stick.

The deal with GC-ISM control for Capcom v. SNK was that L and R controlled all punches and kicks. The harder you pressed the shoulder button the stronger the attack. The C-stick was used for all special moves. It was actually fun to fight using GC-ISM in a ridiculous sort of way.

The AC-ISM control used all the buttons for all punches and kick strengths so the C-stick was unused. It was as close as you could get to an arcade setup.

Either way I think the game suffered.

Didn't the original arcade version of Streetfighter use pads to trigger your attacks and the strength of the attack depended on how hard you hit the pad? Using the shoulder buttons would emulate that...

http://news.spong.com/detail/news.asp?prid=7945

Resident Evil 4 is also coming to Xbox. Although the source isn't very trustworthy... it seems likely. This is a disaster.

PC is next, then on to the Dreamcast... ;____;
Just in case there was any wind left in the sails of RE4's cube launch...
YOU ARE DEAD Mikami-san