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Game Boy Titles Confirmed for North American and European eShop

by Karlie Yeung - June 2, 2011, 4:10 am PDT
Total comments: 42 Source: Nintendo

Three titles announced for North America, with one substitution for Europe.

Following the launch of the eShop, upcoming titles for the North American Virtual Console are set to include Super Mario Land, Alleyway, and Radar Mission. The European Virtual Console list differs slightly with Super Mario Land, Alleyway, and Tennis set to be available at launch. Pricing is still unknown.

This follows the news that 10 eShop downloads will appear on the Japanese service. The Virtual Console selection for Japan has five completely different games, as well as Super Mario Land, the only game coming to every region.

As we revealed earlier this week, Excitebike will be free to download from the eShop following the system update. Nintendo's announcement today confirmed that the offer will last until July 7 in North America and Europe.

While we had speculated that Pokédex 3D will use StreetPass for trading the little monsters, it was revealed that AR Markers will allow you to scan the data and display the creatures using the AR Viewer.

As in Japan, the Nintendo 3DS web browser will become available along with the eShop system update.

June 6 Nintendo 3DS System Update Adds Internet Browser, Online Store and Pokédex 3D

Nintendo Offers Free Re-mastered 3D Version of NES Classic Excitebike for Limited Time

REDMOND, Wash., June 2, 2011 – Nintendo of America has announced that the first major system update for the hand-held Nintendo 3DS™ system will be available in North America the evening of June 6, Pacific time. By installing the free update via a wireless broadband Internet connection, Nintendo 3DS users will have access to an Internet browser and the Nintendo eShop, which contains a variety of new content, including Pokédex™ 3D, an application that lets fans see Pokémon™ characters in 3D. To celebrate the grand opening of the Nintendo eShop, Nintendo is offering the NES™ game Excitebike™ re-mastered in 3D as a free download until July 7 for anyone who installs the system update. Upcoming Virtual Console™ content available in the Nintendo eShop includes Game Boy™ games Super Mario Land™, Alleyway™ and Radar Mission. New content will be added to the Nintendo eShop on Thursdays.

The Nintendo eShop is a digital store for Nintendo 3DS owners that provides access to a wide variety of downloadable content, such as original 3D software, classic games that have been re-mastered in 3D called 3D Classics, Game Boy and Game Boy Color "Virtual Console" games in their original 2D glory, and more than 350 Nintendo DSiWare™ games. Visitors can also view video game trailers, screen shots and product information for games, including those available at retail locations.

Within the Nintendo eShop, Nintendo 3DS users will also be able to download the free Pokédex 3D application and start collecting data for more than 150 Pokémon from the Pokémon™ Black Version and Pokémon White Version games. This new application lets users view each Pokémon in 3D with animated motion and sound. The Pokémon image can be rotated 360 degrees, allowing users to zoom in and view it from any angle. The detailed Pokédex also allows users to search, sort and filter all of the data they receive in a variety of ways, making it the essential guide for Pokémon fans. Players can complete their Pokédex by sharing data with friends and using the SpotPass™ feature, or by scanning special Pokémon AR Markers (augmented-reality markers). Once users have received data for a Pokémon, the AR Viewer allows them to view that Pokémon image in a real-world setting in real time, and create photos to share with friends.

"The Nintendo 3DS system is constantly evolving and growing," said Nintendo of America president and COO Reggie Fils-Aime. "The Nintendo eShop is a one-stop resource for a broad range of Nintendo information and downloadable games and applications. It expands the Nintendo 3DS experience with new and entertaining content."

Other capabilities that go live with the system update include a free Internet browser that has the capability to show 3D images on sites specifically designed to show 3D images. The browser can also be used during game play. Users can stop their Nintendo 3DS game and go to the browser by pressing the Home button and then resume their game when they are finished browsing.

The system update also gives Nintendo DSi™ and Nintendo DSi XL™ system owners the ability to easily transfer most of their previously downloaded Nintendo DSiWare™ games to their new Nintendo 3DS systems.

In the near future, users will be able to download a free application for a short-form video service that will enable them to view specially selected video content, including 3D movie trailers, comedy clips and music videos automatically received when the SpotPass feature is activated.

To install the recommended system update, Nintendo 3DS users can simply start the "System Settings" from the Home Menu, select "Other Settings" and scroll the page right to select "System Update."

Remember that the Nintendo 3DS system features parental controls that let adults manage the content their children can access. For more information about this and other features, visit http://www.nintendo3ds.com.

[EU] June 7 Nintendo 3DS System Update Adds Internet Browser, Online Store, and Pokédex 3D

Nintendo Offers Free Re-Mastered 3D Version of NES Classic Excitebike for Limited Time

June 2, 2011 – Nintendo of Europe has announced that the first major system update for the hand-held Nintendo 3DS system will be available in  Europe on 7th June. By performing the free update via a wireless broadband Internet connection, Nintendo 3DS users will have access to an Internet browser and the Nintendo eShop, which will give them access to a variety of new content, including Pokédex 3D, an application that lets fans see Pokémon characters in 3D. To celebrate the grand opening of the Nintendo eShop, Nintendo is offering the NES game Excitebike re-mastered in 3D as a free download until July 7 for anyone who performs the system update. Additional new Virtual Console content available with the Nintendo eShop includes Game Boy games Super Mario Land, Alleywayand Tennis.  New content is added to the Nintendo eShop every Thursday.

The Nintendo eShop is a digital store for Nintendo 3DS owners that provides access to a wide variety of downloadable content, such as original 3D software, classic games that have been re-mastered in 3D called 3D Classics, Game Boy and Game Boy Color “Virtual Console” games in their original 2D glory, and an extensive library of Nintendo DSiWaregames. Visitors can also view video game trailers, screen shots and product information for games, including those available at retail locations.

Within the Nintendo eShop, Nintendo 3DS users will also be able to download the free Pokédex 3D application and start collecting data for more than 150 Pokémon from the Pokémon Black and Pokémon White Version games. This new application lets users see each Pokémon in 3D with animated motion and sound. The Pokémon image can be rotated 360 degrees, allowing users to zoom in and view it from any angle. The detailed Pokédex also allows users to search, sort and filter all of the data they receive in a variety of ways, making it the essential guide for Pokémon fans. Players can complete their Pokédex by sharing data with friends and using the SpotPass feature, or by scanning special Pokémon AR Markers (augmented reality markers). Once users have received data for a Pokémon, the AR Viewer allows them to view that Pokémon image in a real-world setting in real time, and create photos to share with friends.

Other capabilities that go live with the system update include a free Internet browser which has the capability to show 3D images on sites specifically designed to show 3D images. The browser can also be used during gameplay.  Users can stop their Nintendo 3DS game and go to the browser by pressing the Home button and then resume their game when they are finished browsing. People can also use the browser to download 3D pictures from the Internet or upload ones they have taken with the Nintendo 3DS cameras.

The system update also gives Nintendo DSi and Nintendo DSi XL owners the ability to easily transfer most of their previously purchased Nintendo DSiWare games to their new Nintendo 3DS systems.

The system update also gives users the ability to receive SpotPass content from supported public WiFi hotspots across Europe and in the near future, users will be able to download a free application for a short-form video service that will enable them to view specially selected video content, including 3D movie trailers, comedy clips and music videos automatically received using the SpotPass feature.

To perform the recommended system update, Nintendo 3DS users can simply start the “System Settings” from the Home Menu, select “Other Settings” and scroll the page right to select “System Update.”

For more information about Nintendo 3DS, visit www.nintendo.co.uk/nintendoeshop (from Monday) nintendo-eshop.co.uk

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delebreaubJune 02, 2011

So, because this comes out on Monday, should we expect NOA to be on top of things and have new content for us that Thursday? It would be amazing if they did!

This isn't meant to be super doom'n'gloom since it is only the first day, but....


Man, this sucks compared to the Japan launch. Where's Kirby's Dream Land? Mega Man? Hell, even Avenging Spirit/Phantasm seemed interesting. We get half the amount of VC games, and one of them is freaking Alleyway, which is worthless for nothing more than nostalgia since AlphaBounce exists on DSiWare (for likely a dollar or two more).


Is Radar Mission actually good? Or is that a nostalgia-tinged "was awesome on GB in 1990" game?

CericJune 02, 2011

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This isn't meant to be super doom'n'gloom since it is only the first day, but....

Man, this sucks compared to the Japan launch. Where's Kirby's Dream Land? Mega Man? Hell, even Avenging Spirit/Phantasm seemed interesting. We get half the amount of VC games, and one of them is freaking Alleyway, which is worthless for nothing more than nostalgia since AlphaBounce exists on DSiWare (for likely a dollar or two more).

Is Radar Mission actually good? Or is that a nostalgia-tinged "was awesome on GB in 1990" game?

If memory serves Radar Mission is just Battleship.  Which isn't a bad thing.  I'm wondering if it was NoA or Capcom's American Branch for the Megaman release.

BlackNMild2k1June 02, 2011

They haven't even revealed a price and I'm just gonna say preemptively that it's too expensive.

Chozo GhostJune 02, 2011

Anything more than $2.50 is too much. They were worth more in their day, but compared to the games of today they don't hold up.

That said, it would have been nice if they provided an option to play the games in color ala Super Gameboy mode, or added in online play or soemthing. I know that isn't going to happen, but if it did then their value would be higher.

GoldenPhoenixJune 02, 2011

I'd be willing to pay more then 2.50 for Links Awakening DX, which appears won't be coming out at launch now. :(

CericJune 02, 2011

I pay $4 per for Super Mario Land Series and Link Awakening DX.  Anything else absolutely not. Maybe 3 for Megaman but, most other things much cheaper.  Also Why didn't they release Tetris for a Dollar....

If we use Japan as a guideline, then we're looking at $4 or $5 per game.

CericJune 02, 2011

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If we use Japan as a guideline, then we're looking at $4 or $5 per game.

Yeah, but that's setting up the service for failure.  Their is no way a GB game should be around an NES game price wise.  Same for GBA and SNES.

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They haven't even revealed a price and I'm just gonna say preemptively that it's too expensive.

Thanks Ian

UncleBobRichard Cook, Guest ContributorJune 02, 2011

The trick is, of course, that Nintendo also plans to announce that NES/SNES/N64 games on the Wii Virtual Console are getting price increases the same day as the 3DS shop launches. :D

Seriously, folks - the Game and Watch 'ports' on DSiWare are $2 each - did anyone really, really, really think Nintendo was going to sell Game Boy games at that price - or cheaper?

BlackNMild2k1June 02, 2011

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They haven't even revealed a price and I'm just gonna say preemptively that it's too expensive.

Thanks Ian

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If we use Japan as a guideline, then we're looking at $4 or $5 per game.

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....it's too expensive.

Ian SaneJune 02, 2011

I have Alleyway.  I don't remember what I paid for it.  It's fun but VERY simple.  Like it wouldn't even fly as a launch game for the NES.  If Radar Mission is essentially Battleship, come on.  You can't sell games like that anymore.

As a kid I initially had no interest in the Game Boy and the reason was that it seemed scaled down compared to the NES.  Yeah everyone loved Tetris but Tetris was also on the NES.  Meanwhile the rest of the games, including Super Mario Land, were scaled down titles and I figured that would be what the Game Boy would be about.  You trade off portability for having to play a lesser gaming experience.  It was like merely a step up from Game & Watch and Tiger games.

Later the Game Boy became a good videogame system in its own right with games that you could have colourized and released on the NES with no one noticing.  That's where the nostalgia of the Game Boy comes from.  No one is nostalgic for the original year or so.  Games like Alleyway and Radar Mission became obsolete once the Game Boy truly established an identity as a legitimate videogame system and not just a way to distract yourself when your family takes you camping.

But then why wouldn't Nintendo sell these now?  Once they release the GOOD titles like Link's Awakening, Pokemon, Metroid II or Donkey Kong no one will have any interest in these (except Super Mario Land, which has name value).  This is the only chance to pawn them off.

CericJune 02, 2011

Let's just clear the air now.  Pokemon is never coming to the Virtual Console.  It would cannibalize shares.

NintendoFanboyJune 02, 2011

w have basically a Wii in our pockets( no jokes) with the 3DS
GB games like these, $1 or less. But thats nintendo. mario and Zelda, yea
maybe $3-$5 but these games free - $1

Looks like its $3.99 for Mario Land and $2.99 for the other two. There's your pricing structure.

Chozo GhostJune 02, 2011

I don't see the point of getting breakout or that battleship clone on the GB, because odds are some company will release the same sort of thing as part of some collection of games with far better graphics and far better features. Its not like Battleship or Breakout only existed for the Gameboy, so would anyone want those versions when they will have the worst graphics and features? I think Milton Bradley owns the rights to Battleship, so the thing to do is probably just wait until they bring a native version of it to the 3DS with all the bells and whistles.

Super Mario Land makes sense though because that game only existed on the Gameboy so its not like there's a better version out there.

CericJune 02, 2011

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I don't see the point of getting breakout or that battleship clone on the GB, because odds are some company will release the same sort of thing as part of some collection of games with far better graphics and far better features. Its not like Battleship or Breakout only existed for the Gameboy, so would anyone want those versions when they will have the worst graphics and features? I think Milton Bradley owns the rights to Battleship, so the thing to do is probably just wait until they bring a native version of it to the 3DS with all the bells and whistles.

Super Mario Land makes sense though because that game only existed on the Gameboy so its not like there's a better version out there.

Until the 3DS Remake.  Which I would do the whole series (Mario Land - Wario Land)

Boy, it's a shame we're not getting Mega Man 1. That game's freaking hard, but it's excellent.

EnnerJune 02, 2011

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Looks like its $3.99 for Mario Land and $2.99 for the other two. There's your pricing structure.

And Excitebike (3D Classic) is $5.99 after the 30 day free offer. http://www.giantbomb.com/news/yes-friends-weve-seen-the-3ds-eshop/3289/

Also of note in the article is:

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"(Nintendo of America director of eShop operations David) Warton said game releases on the eShop start at $1.99 and move up in dollar increments. As of right now, there's no way for companies to create promotional codes as on other services, so don't go wait around for giveaways yet. There will also not be any demos at launch, but Warton said it's not something that won't appear eventually on the eShop."

So the cheapest software can get in the eShop at the moment is $2.

Another case of Nintendo ignoring the competition? I think they are pushing sensibilities with the current Virtual Console and 3D Classic prices. I also think it's weird that I'm disappointed over the difference of one or two dollars in pricing.

Chozo GhostJune 02, 2011

You can get avatars on PSN for $0.49. That's $1.50 cheaper than the minimum Nintendo allows stuff to be priced.

UncleBobRichard Cook, Guest ContributorJune 02, 2011

When the PSN Shop is running that is.  Forty nine cents + your identity. :D

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Looks like its $3.99 for Mario Land and $2.99 for the other two. There's your pricing structure.

Given that this is Nintendo, and seeing the pricing they've used in the past, I don't think we could have realistically hoped for better than that.

BlackNMild2k1June 02, 2011

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....it's too expensive.

Ian SaneJune 02, 2011

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Let's just clear the air now.  Pokemon is never coming to the Virtual Console.  It would cannibalize shares


Why not?  It's not like Pokemon Red/Blue is currently available.  It would give Nintendo the chance to sell those exact same games yet again.  Gold/Silver would be different though since they just remade it.

CericJune 02, 2011

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Let's just clear the air now.  Pokemon is never coming to the Virtual Console.  It would cannibalize shares


Why not?  It's not like Pokemon Red/Blue is currently available.  It would give Nintendo the chance to sell those exact same games yet again.  Gold/Silver would be different though since they just remade it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pok%C3%A9mon_FireRed_and_LeafGreen
Because they have already done that with them once.

I mean Pokemon has essentially been more or less the same game for years.  With the wildest departure being a while ago.

It would be interesting to see how the many editions of Street Fighter II or the Wonder Boy games did.

CericJune 02, 2011

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It would be interesting to see how the many editions of Street Fighter II or the Wonder Boy games did.

From a Quick search and these are just the Sub-Title Changes one not the different platforms.

* Street Fighter II
* Street Fighter II The World Warrior
* Street Fighter II: Champion Edition
* Street Fighter II: Hyper Fighting
* Super Street Fighter II: The New Challengers
* Super Street Fighter II Turbo
* Hyper Street Fighter II
* Super Street Fighter II Special Champion Edition
* Super Street Fighter II HD Remix

Platforms: Arcade, Super NES, Mega Drive/Genesis, TurboGrafx-16, Amiga, Atari ST, Commodore 64, ZX Spectrum, PC, 3DO, Sharp X68000, FM Towns Marty, Master System, Game Boy, Game Boy Advance, PlayStation, Sega Saturn, PlayStation Portable, PlayStation 2, Xbox, Java ME, Xbox 360 (XBLA), Virtual Console (Wii)

GoldenPhoenixJune 02, 2011

People are shocked that GB games are 3-4 dollars, yet Donkey Kong Jr. Math is $5 on Wii VC?

Good or bad, the pricing is in line with their Wii VC stuff.

What upsets me the most is Nintendo still forcing you to buy more points then you need for a game. Then again Microsoft isn't much better when it comes to that.

The $x.99 pricing is going to bug the you-know-what out of me.

Chozo GhostJune 02, 2011

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The $x.99 pricing is going to bug the you-know-what out of me.

Yeah, I know what you mean. You get a points card for say $50 and every time you buy something there's a cent left over that you just can't get rid of.

CericJune 02, 2011

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The $x.99 pricing is going to bug the you-know-what out of me.

Yeah, I know what you mean. You get a points card for say $50 and every time you buy something there's a cent left over that you just can't get rid of.

Honestly in this day and age down with the .99 and up with the $1.  Also the .009 on gas is silly as well.  Change is barely worth keep anymore hence the round-up with checking.  I personally think are economy needs to deflate a bit.

Chozo GhostJune 02, 2011

Yeah, I was reading on some site about the penny and how there's a movement to get rid of it because it costs more to make than what its worth and it actually costs the economy more due to the time it takes to count it and stuff.

CericJune 02, 2011

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Yeah, I was reading on some site about the penny and how there's a movement to get rid of it because it costs more to make than what its worth and it actually costs the economy more due to the time it takes to count it and stuff.

Sears doesn't buy Dimes because it cost more to get the dimes then it is to just use 2 nickles.

Ian SaneJune 02, 2011

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Yeah, I know what you mean. You get a points card for say $50 and every time you buy something there's a cent left over that you just can't get rid of.


The fact that you have to buy points in fixed amounts is fucking ridiculous to begin with.  I myself have two bucks in my Wii account that drives me nuts.  I'm not dumb.  I know they want you to always have change so you have to buy MORE to make use of those points and then the math won't work again so you'll have like a buck left over and have to do it multiple times until you finally have a 0 balance.  Now with .99, they're just fucking us.  That's deliberate.  A brick and mortar store wouldn't last a week if they forced you to pay in intervals of $10.

Regarding pennies, how do you get rid of them when sales tax usually results in goofy cents?  Unless you like in Oregon nothing is $1.00, it's $1.06 or something goofy like that.  You take away the penny and then what?  Stores have to shift prices so that with tax it works in intervals of 5 cents?  We just get dinged the extra cents each time?  There has to be some sort of minimum unit of currency and, yeah, on its own it's going to be nearly worthless but it has to exist.  So you ditch pennies and then in 20 years everyone is complaining about how worthless nickels are.  You have to take a stand at some point.

And if pennies cost more then 1 cent to produce, then the government should be smart enough to be manufacturing some other form of currency for less then value to balance it out.  I imagine 1 and 20 dollar bills probably cost the same to make so they should be coming out ahead.

leahsdadJune 02, 2011

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Another case of Nintendo ignoring the competition? I think they are pushing sensibilities with the current Virtual Console and 3D Classic prices. I also think it's weird that I'm disappointed over the difference of one or two dollars in pricing.

Yeah, it looks like they looked at the Apple model and just said "screw that."  And though I previously had committed myself to getting Alleyway, I had thought that when I naively assumed it would be 2 bucks.  But 2.99?  Makes no sense, I know, but I'm now going to pass on that, I think.


I'm intrigued by the 3D classics, and may be willing to pay $6 for those.  Maybe. 


But I'm just waiting for GBA VC's.  I know they haven't announced that, but they haven't ruled it out, and even if they charge maybe $10 or $12 a piece for those, I will go crazy with my credit card when that happens.  Fusion?  Zero Mission?  Advance Wars Black Hole Rising?  And think of all the Japanese imports that we might get.  How crazy, no, awesome would it be if we got Mother 3 that way?  That's how we got the original Sin and Punishment. 

Chozo GhostJune 02, 2011

Pennies used to be pure copper but in 1982 they became mostly Zinc with just copper plating in order to bring the manufacturing costs down, but now due to inflation its a problem once again. It would help to change the formula of pennies yet again and make them out of a cheaper metal like steel (which they were made out of during WW2) or aluminum or something, but that's only a temporary solution because inflation is perpetual so no matter what you make them out of eventually the value of the penny will drop below the material being used.

Eliminating the Penny would not be without precedent. I know Japan used to have a unit of currency called Rin which was like a 10th of a Yen or something, but after WW2 Japan suffered massive inflation and the Rin was dropped. As a matter of fact, if you look at the Yen it takes thousands of them just to equal a few dollars of U.S. currency, so at some point Japan may want to consider dropping that too. Other countries have also dropped denominations of currency due to the value being almost worthless. You can draw a line wherever you want, but eventually inflation will encroach on it. If 20 years later Nickels are as worthless as pennies are now then maybe they should be dropped too. Inflation isn't a cool thing, but its a reality and just ignoring it and pretending it doesn't exist doesn't do you any good. If inflation can't be halted then the currency needs to keep being updated to keep pace.

leahsdadJune 02, 2011

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Regarding pennies, how do you get rid of them when sales tax usually results in goofy cents?

That brings up an interesting point.  Are we going to get charged sales tax for eShop purchases?  Because as it stands now, I don't pay sales tax when I buy Nintendo points through my Wii, though you would obviously pay sales tax if you bought a points card from a brick and mortar.  We've got nearly 10% sales tax here in California, so I appreciate the savings (Okay, I know that you're supposed to pay that at the end of the year or something, but seriously, who does that?)


CericJune 02, 2011

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Regarding pennies, how do you get rid of them when sales tax usually results in goofy cents?

That brings up an interesting point.  Are we going to get charged sales tax for eShop purchases?  Because as it stands now, I don't pay sales tax when I buy Nintendo points through my Wii, though you would obviously pay sales tax if you bought a points card from a brick and mortar.  We've got nearly 10% sales tax here in California, so I appreciate the savings (Okay, I know that you're supposed to pay that at the end of the year or something, but seriously, who does that?)

Law makers where lamenting over that in TN lately.  Its called a Use Tax if memory serves.  Another fun one is if you pay 6% sales tax on something while in another state officially your suppose to pay the other 3.75% to the TN when you come back (Sales Tax is 9.75% in my home county.)  Amazon  wants to put some distribution centers here and their is another law that if you have servers or anything else that is part of your online business here in TN then you have to do Sales Tax.  Amazon will have none of that.

Its a messy area to say the least.  Its like how do you fund roads if everyone drives electric cars?

Hopefully Nintendo will put in the structure to easily do it later if needed.

BlackNMild2k1June 02, 2011

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Regarding pennies, how do you get rid of them when sales tax usually results in goofy cents?  Unless you like in Oregon nothing is $1.00, it's $1.06 or something goofy like that.

I've been hoping that sales tax would just be included in the advertised price.

If you want to sell it for $1.00, then the actual cost would be $0.91 and the tax (9.25% here) would be added in for a total of $1.00.

But you are right, if we start rounding it out now, we are being charged a few extra cents here and a few extra cents there and all those cents add up over time. It's either gonna come out of my pocket or it's gonna come out of theirs and since I'm the one buying.... I think we all know who's pocket it would come out of.

AVJune 02, 2011

I'm still keeping my fingers crossed that e-shop games will vary in price. AlleyWay $2, Mario Land $5, etc etc.


Alleyway does NOT hold up at all, so it has to be dirt cheap to be worthwhile because its so basic

Mop it upJune 02, 2011

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Seriously, folks - the Game and Watch 'ports' on DSiWare are $2 each - did anyone really, really, really think Nintendo was going to sell Game Boy games at that price - or cheaper?

Do I think they should? Yes. Did I think they would? No.

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