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Episode 246: Wherefore Art Thou, Lindeo?

by James Jones, Greg Leahy, and Jonathan Metts - June 5, 2011, 2:07 pm PDT
Total comments: 20

On this three-man edition of the podcast, we discuss Shakespeare and the Super Mario Bros. movie.

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Jon couldn't make it to our recording this week, but we soldiered on with the trio of James, Greg, and Jonny to discuss games one more time before the E3 2011 festivities. (We'll have multiple episodes from the big show, so be sure to check the NWR podcast page and refresh your Radio Free Nintendo subscription frequently during E3!)

This isn't really a pre-E3 show, but we couldn't help bringing up a few E3-ish topics right off the bat, before heading into our weekly game impressions. James has been too busy for much gaming, but Jonny returns with two weeks of New Business after missing the segment last time. It starts with Dragon Quest VI, which he's now played enough to comment on the game's differentiating strengths: world exploration and a streamlined job system. Your discriminating host also wrings his hands over Bayonetta, the flashy and tasteless Devil May Cry successor from Platinum Games. Bringing the segment to a relatively quick end, Greg finally discovers a few unique qualities to the original Bangaioh for N64. That leads us into a fun tangent on oddball N64 accessories and other retro musings.

Listener Mail begins with a pair of questions that draw immediate "NO" responses from the crew, but both also lead into deeper conversation as you've come to expect. Hear us discuss Shakespeare-Miyamoto comparisons, the concept of "killer apps", adding Metroid-style exploration to other franchises, the best candidates for game-to-movie adaptations, a return to the question of hype, and finally, a listener's very own set of predictions for E3 and beyond. Please send even more awesome questions and ideas!

RetroActive will return after E3, when we'll take a look at the story campaign of Perfect Dark. Remember that it can be played solo, co-op, or Counter-Op! And it has a wise-cracking alien named Elvis. So that's a thing. Drop your memories and/or newly formed opinions on Perfect Dark in the official forum thread!

This podcast was edited by Greg Leahy.

Music for this episode of Radio Free Nintendo is used with permission from Jason Ricci & New Blood. You can purchase their newest album, Done with the Devil, directly from the record label, Amazon (CD) (MP3), or iTunes, or call your local record store and ask for it!

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Talkback

Fifteen minutes in, just gotta say: Bayonetta does not have "giant boobs." Mai Shiranui has giant boobs, Lara Croft has big boobs, and Captain Syrup has shockingly big boobs. Bayonetta does not, sorry. Just a...point I had to bring up. LOL

What about Samus in Other M?

AVJune 05, 2011

I have great nostalgia for Brawl hype daily updates. Great episode guys

Imagine if Nintendo gave up on E3 and opted for a brawl style update every week for a year!  "And today we are showing of one screen off a new game! I wonder what it could be!"

EnnerJune 05, 2011

Quote from: Traveller

What about Samus in Other M?

Big, not giant.
Looking at the images on http://metroid.wikia.com/wiki/Samus_aran, her breasts have always been rather shapely and consistent in size.

CericJune 05, 2011

Quote from: Halbred

Fifteen minutes in, just gotta say: Bayonetta does not have "giant boobs." Mai Shiranui has giant boobs, Lara Croft has big boobs, and Captain Syrup has shockingly big boobs. Bayonetta does not, sorry. Just a...point I had to bring up. LOL

After looking up a pic I have to agree.  Though isn't she the one that fights with her hair and the more powerful attacks strip down her clothes which is also her hair?  Though my Wife pegged her as a D but, Samus from Other M pictures I found she pegged as a DD.  Take that as you will.  Though those picture of Samus did look bigger. I always thought she have them perky.

During the time I loved the Brawl updates.  Once I got the game and realized they had pretty much told me everything about it in the updates I did not like them nearly as much.

EnnerJune 05, 2011

Great show. The discussion on hype and examples of games who benefited or were victimized by hype has lead me to think on the games I own that fit either category. I'm having a hard time thinking of any since I didn't follow much game news in the '90s, didn't follow it too closely in the '00s, and generally didn't put too much care in to previews and the like. Certainly I've had my share of disappointing and surprising purchases, but I can't think of any at the moment that was due to hype. The closest I can think of is Ikaruga (GCN) and Tales of Symphonia (GCN) which benefited from me getting hyped for them. Good games and good times.

On Bayonetta: I found that part of the show interesting and reminds me that I still have Devil May Cry 4 (PC) to go through. I can't say much on the game's systems and mechanics as I have yet to play it. On the talk about the game's character design and its odd-for-the-sake-of-odd choices, it goes to show that no matter how fantastical a setting is some basics of reality (especially those that pertain to humans and humanity) should always be observed; if only so that newcomers have someplace to put their feet on.

JasonMaiviaJune 05, 2011

If you look up Mai's measurements, she's not as big as other characters, like Rainbow Mika.    What makes Mai's boobs seem bigger than they are is the fact that she wears loose clothing, doesn't wear a bra, and flops all over the place....maybe even on purpose.


As the years go by, Mai's boobs have changed (just compare her early sprite work to the later ones to see what I mean), but SNK's official measurements are the same.



http://www.fightersgeneration.com/characters2/mai-a.html
(Click on the links to see more)


Talk about exaggerating.

Official measurements lol

ShyGuyJune 06, 2011

What differentiates hype from passion in your mind?

Is Greg hyped about the Buffalo Bills future seasons or is he passionate about them?

KDR_11kJune 06, 2011

Shakespeare is much less influential outside the English speaking areas of the world. Students will always read books by big writers of their own language first. For example we read a lot of Goethe which you people probably don't.

CericJune 06, 2011

Quote from: KDR_11k

Shakespeare is much less influential outside the English speaking areas of the world. Students will always read books by big writers of their own language first. For example we read a lot of Goethe which you people probably don't.

I didn't even  read Shakespeare really.  Somehow avoided Lords of the Flies as well.

ShyGuyJune 06, 2011

lol Jonny got schooled by James on the term 'Killer App.' VISICALC SON, WHAT? App is for Application.

Did anyone mention the amount of stroke Nintendo had with "Revolution" before they went with Wii as the system name? Sometimes code names end up overshadowing the final product.

JasonMaiviaJune 06, 2011

Quote from: Shaymin

Did anyone mention the amount of stroke Nintendo had with "Revolution" before they went with Wii as the system name? Sometimes code names end up overshadowing the final product.

"Yeeuuup!" -Dave Hester

TheFleeceJune 06, 2011

I got home today and turned on E3 on G4 only to find the Ubisoft presentation going on where a guy was saying "To Ubi or not to Ubi" and then asked the question "who says Shakespeare isn't relevant?" or something like that. I wonder if they listen to NWR...
Thanks for answering my question, typos and all.

yoshi1001June 06, 2011

I thought I should note that "wherefore art thou" means "why are you", not "where are you".

CericJune 06, 2011

Quote from: yoshi1001

I thought I should note that "wherefore art thou" means "why are you", not "where are you".

That might make it funnier.

CericJune 07, 2011

I'm not going to try to derive this down this close to Nintendo Conference


Why not ship the podcasts to Greg?  Is Greg going to E3?

What about the Silliness factor on EA and Ubisoft?

Wow, ZX strikes from the Dead.

She looks exactly like she should for that type of Steroetypical character in Japan.

Typical Japanese Angel enemy sounding.

Crash the Server

Ok someone changed this to your conversation or you all where looking at it. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killer_application

For good reason you never mention that first Hulk.

Super Mario is an interesting trip if you don't know the source material.

Yeah.  Base the Super Mario movie off the Cartoons.

I like to see Doom.  I haven't yet.

LoZ: Forever stil has 10 Years to bake.  10 Years...

Did it burn when you walked in the Store Dr.Metts?

Go through Lindies Game Collection as a cut show for 251 but not 250.  250 Should Be a Party episodes.  Replace everyone with there respective characters.

NinSageJune 07, 2011

Not sure how many people will are paying attention to anything but E3 news at this point but I finally got around to finishing listening to this episode so ....

RESPONSES!!

1. Never understood the hype on DQ5.  The entire DQ franchise is one of my favorite of all time, so clearly I really did enjoy DQ5, but it is probably 2nd to last if I were to rank the games in my favor (DQ7 is dead last, bw).  And for me, I rank story above all else, but you're right Jonny, DQ5 was not great storytelling.  DQ4 and 8? Quite good.

2. Thank you guys so much for the Bayonetta bashing.  I feel like so many gamers and reviewers just got blinded by the nudity and the "smart" glasses and just mumbled "goty" as drool slipped out their mouths.  I already really respected you guys, but hearing you all rise above the video game cheesecake that is Bayonetta just tripled my opinion of you all.  Kudos!

3. Impossible to nail down one game as "the" representation of the art form.  But, yea, there's a lot of great work going on in the gaming space these days.  In my opinion, certainly more so than movies and television which have started to become way too formulaic.  I know I sound like a snob saying that, and I hate snobbery, but that's just how I feel at the moment. 

There are some game genres (shooters) that are well on their way to becoming just as formulaic... but, that's their problem.

4. If I'm not mistaken the term "killer app" came from computer software, like MS Word, just as you guys started saying. During my one year as an IT major, I remember having to learn about that.  The term translates to gaming just as you guys said.

5. A real quick take on Comic Book movies: I feel they have reached an awkward stage where they escalated to a new escalon very quickly and, like a rock star who can't handle new-found fame, is starting to show up drunk for performances =P

Note: I have yet to see X-Men First Class or Green Lantern.

6. The Prince of Persia movie ABSOLUTELY pleasantly surprised me.  It wasn't great, but it was really good and that says a lot for a video game movie.

I've never seen 5 seconds of the Mario movie and I should probably keep it that way =)

7.  As for game hype, I never (ok, rarely) get too high or too low before a game comes out.  But I always find that when you go into a game/movie/TV show not expecting a lot, people are usually pleasantly surprised (as Jonny just said!).  It's when people go in to something EXPECTING a perfect masterpiece that they truly are let down... and always will be.

Right now? I think I'm gonna enjoy the hell out of Kid Icarus: Uprising.  In fact, I've said several times that is my "KILLER APP" for the 3DS.  Other than that? I was really psyched for Red Steel 2 and that didn't quite live up to my hopes - still good though.  I thought I would HATE Monster Hunter Tri but purchased it to play with my brother-in-law online aaaaand now I'm close to 600 hrs.  crazy.

A time when I was psyched ahead of time and that was fulfilled? mmmm, Muramasa probably comes closest in recent memory.  Of course, the Layton games get me buzzing with each new one and have also never let me down. good times.

I agree most with what you guys said about being "excited" but not caught in the hype machine.  It's a fine line, but worth walking if you can.

8. Since you started talking about the name of the new console? geez... "Wii U"... is there any way NWR can start a petition or something to change that!? please?!! I would take anything else.  "Wii 2," "WiiTu," "Super Wii," "ohWiimaway ohWiimaway" ... anything!!

I already feel like a weirdo saying the word "Wii" out loud during in-person gaming discussions.  I'm going to have to wear a paper bag on my head if I have to say "Wii U" in a GameStop or when hanging with friends.

~

Great show! Though, needs more Lindy. =P

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