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Right, but Sony is a fungus.  They're the yeast of video game consoles.  Sure, Sony is no good alone, but if you give them ideas to leech off of, you never know what they could steal.  

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Wow.

That article, um... sucked. I can't believe I read that whole back and forth. They basically still seem to think that it's going to come down to Sony vs MS. They don't even say anything about Nintendo being in a different market or anything, they just pretend that they don't exist and when they do mention Nintendo it's usually a quick blurb about how well they're doing with a jab about how the Wii is going to flop sooner than later.

People have been saying that since the controller was unveiled.

Really, what does Nintendo have to do to get any kind of respect? The Wii is selling faster than the PS2 did and they're still getting knocked? There really must be some sort of conspiracy out there against them. What else makes any sense?


That's the Hardcore Gaming Media agenda.

Well... in their defense, there's not much to say about the Wii. It's awesome. That's about it.

And N'Gai STILL hasn't given us his "Kyoto - Wii have a problem" article. I've been waiting for his analysis 4ever.
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Right, but Sony is a fungus.  They're the yeast of video game consoles.  Sure, Sony is no good alone, but if you give them ideas to leech off of, you never know what they could steal.


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Ok, so can anyone give me an email address or some contact info for the guy that wrote the Newsweek article?  If he's using third party publishers as his source for determining market trends, he's sorely missing who to learn from.  The average third party publisher knows almost nothing about where the industry is headed, nor do they know where it's been.  They only know what is happening now, at the precise moment they talk to you.  Some are better than others, but most are almost exactly like my description.  What he's hearing from the 3rd parties is that they weren't ready for the Wii's success, and they are looking for any opportunity to look good from it.  I mean, eight or nine months ago, these same publishers were announcing tons of now canceled or now non-exclusive games for the PS3.

Then there's the whole fact that he considers video games as a North American domestic industry in his article.  His perspective was terrible in that regard, since Japan houses most of the third party publishers that are able to turn a profit with anything that isn't a non-game on a computer or Nintendo system.  But whatever.

And then forget the fact that one of the top selling games in April was indeed a hardcore gamer's game for the Wii, despite the packaging.  But he hasn't played it.  He and his bud can only criticize Wii-Play because it isn't for them or they haven't played it around any friends and family.  But hey, who am I to judge the console industry, I'm only more accurate than he and his third party sources are, which, IMO is not very difficult to be, so whatever.

Edit:  I forgot this part "the Metal Gear Solid 2 demo with Zone of the Enders" describing the PS2's after launch line-up.  It's like Zone of the Enders wasn't really a game from his perspective.  I wonder if he played it, or if they only reason he bought was to try to see Solid without pants.

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Heh, I didn't expect that article to make such an impression.  I was mainly interested in the bits where third parties are shifting away from PS3 - that's the info being communicated to these guys by third parties.  The rest of the analysis may be pretty bad, honestly I don't even remember, so I mustn't have thought much of it.

I think the reason there's still a focus on Xbox 360 vs. PS3 is because they're competing directly.  It's like a car accident at a race track, who cares who's in first place while two other cars are exploding on the side of the road? The fact is, if Wii keeps going like this, there's nothing MS or Sony can do about it.  Their consoles just aren't designed to compete with Wii - it can always be cheaper and it'll always be founded on the concept of making games easy for everyone to play.

I had one idea Sony could try to turn things around a bit - pack a game in with the system.  It makes the system a better deal and costs Sony less than a price drop.  GTA IV would be ideal, but packing it in would be costly and may also tick off retailers.  Resistance or something would be a lot cheaper, but would anybody care?  A $50 price drop plus free GTA might be enough to get PS3 back in the race against 360, though it certainly wouldn't get it in line with Wii.
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I think the reason there's still a focus on Xbox 360 vs. PS3 is because they're competing directly.  It's like a car accident at a race track, who cares who's in first place while two other cars are exploding on the side of the road?


That analogy might work in the case of this article... if you add in a part where they are predicting that the car in first (well, it's not quite there yet) is going to crash and be overtaken eventually...  
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Fear for your JOBS Sony  Employees.

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GTAIV isn't going to do anything for Sony since it will be released for the 360 at the same time.  Then you can say that playing GTAIV would be cheaper on the 360 even if they bundled it with the PS3.

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RE: Sony getting hit Hard lately (Now with 80 to 100 units less fat!)
« Reply #1936 on: June 06, 2007, 09:44:20 AM »
Halo 3 won't do anything for Microsoft because the game is fanservice (that's what sequels are most of the time) and it's not the kind of game that will lure in new buyers.  It's for people that have already played Halo and Halo 2.
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« Reply #1937 on: June 06, 2007, 09:58:56 AM »
What actually got me thinking of that idea in the first place was a debate on VGChartz about what GTA IV will do for hardware sales.  GTA IV is really the biggest game coming out for PS3 this year...and it's simultaneously available on Xbox 360.  I'm not saying a bundle would make PS3 outsell 360, but I do think it would give a boost, particularly among Playstation faithful who still assume the system is eventually going to have everything PS2 had.

But now I'm starting to fall into the trap of defending the idea too much.  There's no denying GTA IV won't save PS3 on its own.  I'm just trying to think up ways to sell more PS3s.

Ceric: Nice find, not for Sony employees, though.  I love the way they use the word "redundancies" instead of "people we're firing".  Like "collateral damage".
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« Reply #1938 on: June 06, 2007, 10:13:19 AM »
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« Reply #1939 on: June 06, 2007, 10:28:33 AM »
Layoffs like what Ceric posted are terrible in most cases, because now the company has ruined peoples lives, and they will rue Sony. Rue!

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« Reply #1940 on: June 06, 2007, 12:48:50 PM »
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Halo 3 won't do anything for Microsoft because the game is fanservice (that's what sequels are most of the time) and it's not the kind of game that will lure in new buyers.  It's for people that have already played Halo and Halo 2.
I don't think this is really accurate. It will sell a lot of systems because there are a lot of Halo fans willing to buy a system for one game if it's good enough, especially me.


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« Reply #1942 on: June 06, 2007, 02:48:01 PM »
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Halo 3 won't do anything for Microsoft because the game is fanservice (that's what sequels are most of the time) and it's not the kind of game that will lure in new buyers.  It's for people that have already played Halo and Halo 2.
I don't think this is really accurate. It will sell a lot of systems because there are a lot of Halo fans willing to buy a system for one game if it's good enough, especially me.


I don't think it's going to push many systems either. It's a 3rd gen franchise title. Basically it's being refined to the point where only the super hardcore are going to be interested in it any longer and that super hardcore market for the game probably already own 360s as it is. I haven't heard about anything different between Halo 2 and 3. As it is, is there even any evidence that Halo 2 pushed a lot of systems? Even if it did, it's certainly less than Halo did, and Halo 3 will push even less.

Most everyone who wants the game already has the system. MS has been pimping it since before the 360 even came out. Who's left that wants the game to sell 360s to?

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RE: Sony getting hit Hard lately (Now with 80 to 100 units less fat!)
« Reply #1943 on: June 06, 2007, 05:27:02 PM »
If you replaced every reference to Microsoft with an appropriate reference to Nintendo (i.e. Halo ---> Zelda), Nintendo fans would go wild..... even though, in either case, you could make the same arguments for and against. For example:
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Twilight Princess won't do anything for Nintendo because the game is fanservice (that's what sequels are most of the time) and it's not the kind of game that will lure in new buyers. It's for people that have already played Ocarina of Time and Wind Waker.

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I don't think it's going to push many systems either. It's a 3rd gen franchise title. Basically it's being refined to the point where only the super hardcore are going to be interested in it any longer and that super hardcore market for the game probably already own Wiis as it is. I haven't heard about anything different between Super Mario Sunshine and Super Mario Galaxy. As it is, is there even any evidence that Super Mario Sunshine pushed a lot of systems? Even if it did, it's certainly less than Super Mario 64 did, and Super Mario Galaxy will push even less.

Most everyone who wants the game already has the system. Nintendo has been pimping it since before the Wii even came out. Who's left that wants the game to sell Wiis to?
   

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« Reply #1944 on: June 06, 2007, 07:11:01 PM »
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If you replaced every reference to Microsoft with an appropriate reference to Nintendo (i.e. Halo ---> Zelda), Nintendo fans would go wild..... even though, in either case, you could make the same arguments for and against. For example:
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Twilight Princess won't do anything for Nintendo because the game is fanservice (that's what sequels are most of the time) and it's not the kind of game that will lure in new buyers. It's for people that have already played Ocarina of Time and Wind Waker.

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I don't think it's going to push many systems either. It's a 3rd gen franchise title. Basically it's being refined to the point where only the super hardcore are going to be interested in it any longer and that super hardcore market for the game probably already own Wiis as it is. I haven't heard about anything different between Super Mario Sunshine and Super Mario Galaxy. As it is, is there even any evidence that Super Mario Sunshine pushed a lot of systems? Even if it did, it's certainly less than Super Mario 64 did, and Super Mario Galaxy will push even less.

Most everyone who wants the game already has the system. Nintendo has been pimping it since before the Wii even came out. Who's left that wants the game to sell Wiis to?



Hate to say it but that is a pretty lame argument, because TP did help push systems in the US, that is a fact. The 2nd quote is even worse because there is an obvious difference between SMS and Mario Galaxy it has been shown, all we have with Halo 3 is a mp beta and nothing else, not to mention Halo 2 isn't that much different from Halo 1. In regards to SMS pushing systems I don't know either way, if there was a sales spike during the release I would say so (which could also be looked at for Halo 2). Your other "witty" point is also pretty lame, right now you can't find a Wii, so I doubt everyone has a system who wants it.
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« Reply #1945 on: June 06, 2007, 07:17:42 PM »
Well, I think to answer the question of whether or not Halo 3 will sell 360s, you have to define why Halo 2 sold systems:  Was it to get more of Halo, or was it to play Halo online?  If it was to get more Halo, then Halo 3 will absolutely sell systems at an amazing rate.  If it was to play Halo online, then there won't be much reason to get Halo 3, barring some great new feature is introduced.

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« Reply #1946 on: June 06, 2007, 07:23:15 PM »
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Well, I think to answer the question of whether or not Halo 3 will sell 360s, you have to define why Halo 2 sold systems:  Was it to get more of Halo, or was it to play Halo online?  If it was to get more Halo, then Halo 3 will absolutely sell systems at an amazing rate.  If it was to play Halo online, then there won't be much reason to get Halo 3, barring some great new feature is introduced.


That is an interesting quest there. BTW does anyone have any stats of system sales during Halo 2's release? It would be interesting to see.
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« Reply #1947 on: June 06, 2007, 09:31:35 PM »
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Hate to say it but that is a pretty lame argument...

What argument? All I did was switch words, the result of which, I'd imagine, isn't too far off a Microsoft fan's POV. I didn't take a side and in fact, I disagree with both because I think such statements are kind of stupid and pointless. Counterpoints are almost as easy as switching some names around.

Fanboys/fangirls make these narrow-minded comments like "[insert game title] won't do anything for [insert hardware company]" but get all defensive when the same is said about their respective company. You just proved that with your big explanation. Don't you think a Halo fan can defend Halo just as hard as you defended Mario and Zelda?

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« Reply #1948 on: June 07, 2007, 01:56:02 AM »
I think Halo 3 will obviously push new Xbox 360s.  The reason being is that many Halo fans have been waiting for that game before taking the plunge into a new system.  And many casual gamers look at Halo as the killer app for the system.

Just like several Nintendo fans are waiting until this winter to pick up a Wii because that is when Brawl and Galaxy will be out, and those are the games they want to play.  To say that one of the biggest exclusive games from last year won't push systems is somewhat foolish.  I would say that Halo 3 has a large chance of pushing hardware units than say Grand Theft Auto IV.  


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« Reply #1949 on: June 07, 2007, 03:06:04 AM »
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Halo 3 won't do anything for Microsoft because the game is fanservice (that's what sequels are most of the time) and it's not the kind of game that will lure in new buyers.  It's for people that have already played Halo and Halo 2.
I don't think this is really accurate. It will sell a lot of systems because there are a lot of Halo fans willing to buy a system for one game if it's good enough, especially me.


yes, but logic can also say those kind of people would have already bought a xbox 360 because they knew the game was coming.  
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