Topic: Sony getting hit Hard lately

[S-U-P-E-R]

UK:Resistance might be my favoriting gaming site now. I've read it on and off for years and I love their angry sense of humor, and the furious jerking off over PS3 failure in the market. Recommended for everyone

[Kairon]

I love peeking in on them every once in a while, but it seems they're actually sega fans, a fansite meant to extract revenge for the untimely demise of the DC? Does this mean that they have mixed feelings for the Wii? Or is my intuition correct that they are actually rooting for the X360? Sure, they're angry at Sony, but who would they have take the #1 spot?

[oohhboy]

I don't think they root for anybody. They are like the angry players that get blown up in Bomberman that are relegated to potshoting the remaining players from the sidelines.

The fact that Sony killed Sega makes it a first-preference target.

[NinGurl69 *huggles]

All in good, sticky fun.  It's a fantastic site.

Everyone should read their "best promo pic ever" article.

[BlackNMild2k1]

This thread was starting to drop, which must mean Sony has caught a break right?

Not so quick there, Sony hasn't stopped stepping on cracks and kicking black cats just yet.

Sony getting sued over Blu-Ray

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Given its global position as an electronics giant, Sony is quite familiar with patent law. The company is also quite familiar with the potential penalties for running afoul of patent law, as evidenced by the $97 million in damages and interest it had to pay Immersion Corporation in a dispute over the rumble functions in Dual Shock controllers.

While the two companies have since patched things up, Sony opted to leave rumble by the wayside when it was designing the PlayStation 3's motion-sensing Sixaxis controller. The electronics giant couldn't avoid patent headaches entirely, however, as Irvine, California-based Target Technology Company filed suit earlier this month, seeking damages for alleged patent violations relating to the Blu-ray technology used in the system.

The suit, which names Sony Computer Entertainment America, Sony Pictures, and Sony DADC, claims that products marketed under the Blu-ray name infringe on a patent it owns for reflective layer materials in optical discs.

The patent was filed in April of 2004 and granted in March of 2006.

Target is seeking a permanent injunction preventing Sony from violating its patent rights in the future, as well as damages with interest, multiplied due to what it characterizes as deliberate and willful infringement.

As if they weren't having a hard enough time selling PS3's and games for the system, its gonna get alot harder when you can't produce the drives the games are played on or the disc that they are stored on either.  

edit: More info on the patent

[GoldenPhoenix]

You know MS has to be grinning, if this happens they would win the next-gen DVD war by default!

[KDR_11k]

No, not really. Everything you can invent is probably infringing on some patent. The scum of the Earth tends to buy patents, do nothing with them and sue anyone who tries to actually be productive. Since they produce nothing the usual MAD policy between corporations does not apply. However when the patent trolls try to sue a big company they usually get trashed in the proceedings (or, if necessary, bought out).

[BlackNMild2k1]

well this does only affect the higher capacity Blu-Ray disc, so it really shouldn't affect the movie side of things, as they can always just release multiple disc. But if they want to do BRD 50 or higher, they are either back to the drawing board, or paying licensing fees for the reflective alloy tech. Either way Blu-ray is about to get more expensive than it already is.

[Ceric]

From reading the additional information how could you get a patent for Silver and Gold as a reflective coating?

[stevey]

lol, one of sony biggest blu-ray selling points were it could hold 250GB against HD-DVD with only 30GB and now all of blu-ray advantages are gone. sony teh D00M3D!!!1one

[UERD]

Just about every time a new technology is released on the consumer market, someone files a lawsuit. It happened with the Wii as well. The patent system is really, really badly broken.

[BlackNMild2k1]

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Originally posted by: Ceric
From reading the additional information how could you get a patent for Silver and Gold as a reflective coating?

It was a patent on an alloy that reflects just as good or better than gold or silver and is a helluva lot cheaper than either to those two. If Sony doesn't want to pay licensing fees they are more than welcome to develop their own gold/silver-like alloy, or actually use gold and/or silver as the reflective layer on their disc.

Either way it's gonna cost more to produce a higher capacity BRD, because of materials (gold/silver) or R&D (researching a new gold/silver-like alloy) cost.

[Ceric]

Ok, I must of read it wrong.  I know if I was Sony and the like I always have that sort of technology R&D on the back-burner at the very least.  *shrug* We'll just have to wait and see what happens.  I hope they get the kinks worked out of Holographic type storage eventually.

[BlackNMild2k1]

" I hope they get the kinks worked out of Holographic type storage eventually."

That is the exact reason I'm hoping that HD-DVD and Bluray both fail and in 2010 HVD* is introduced to the mainstream and everyone is happy. 1 Terabyte of storage means you never have to rebuy your movies again. Just think absolute best quality picture, resolution and lossless sound. Techophiles will wet themselves, and no one would need a different type of physical media for a very long time, other than a HDD, making it so that hopefully there will not have to be another senseless format war for some time to come.

*HVD stands for Holographic Versatile Disc and is capable really fast read/write times and 1+ Terabyte of data storage. Full legnth HD movies with all the options and extras could be stored on a disc the size of Gamecube disc and probably still have room left over in comparison to their largest BRD and HD-DVD counterparts. Not to mention with higher quality picture and and sound.  

[Ceric]

Yeah, but personally, I don't think Disc in the DVD/CD sense is the best shape for that type of media from my understanding.  It be really exciting to see it come out in the size of a DS Card, a little thicker and bigger then a SD card.  I think thats the ideal size for Media.  To much smaller and it becomes to easy to lose.

[BlackNMild2k1]

The last time I saw the HVD tech, it was in the shape of a disc and roughly the size of a standard DVD. But I hear it can also be in a cube shape about the size if a single die (1 half of a set of dice). The future will indeed be interesting.

[Chozo Ghost]

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Originally posted by: Ceric
Yeah, but personally, I don't think Disc in the DVD/CD sense is the best shape for that type of media from my understanding.  It be really exciting to see it come out in the size of a DS Card, a little thicker and bigger then a SD card.  I think thats the ideal size for Media.  To much smaller and it becomes to easy to lose.

Holographic Card

Perhaps something like this? It reminds me of those isolinear chips that they had on Star Trek TNG.

Holographic discs aren't even the best thing on the horizon. Brace yourselves for Protein Coated Discs!

Holographic discs can do a maximum of 3.9 terabytes, but the Protein discs are said to do up to 50 terabytes! You could store like every movie ever made on one of those... well maybe not all, but all the ones which are worth watching anyway.

I refuse to upgrade my DVDs until the Protein discs take off.    

[BlackNMild2k1]

A holographic card would be even better than a disc, no worries about scratches and fingerprints.

But protein coated disc? Thats the first I heard of that. Sounds interesting, and should be out in some form or another in about a year? Sounds even better.

[Chozo Ghost]

Here is something I came across today. I am not sure if this is something to do with the PS3 or some other thing they make, but it kinda shows how corrupt and greedy they are:

How Sony plans to recoup their PS3 losses

Show it to the die-hard Sony fans you know and tell them this is how their favorite company treats its loyal customers.

[Chozo Ghost]

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Originally posted by: BlackNMild2k1
A holographic card would be even better than a disc, no worries about scratches and fingerprints.

But protein coated disc? Thats the first I heard of that. Sounds interesting, and should be out in some form or another in about a year? Sounds even better.

Yeah. I would recommend people to hold off on adopting HD-DVD or Blu-ray. I think this generation format war is just a stepping stone, and it is probably going to quickly move to either Holographic discs or Protein discs or god only knows what in another 5 years or something. I don't think this current generation will last as long or be as successful as VHS or DVD...

But it really depends on what the movie industry will adopt. You can have the best format in the world but if studios won't put content on it then it doesn't matter.  

[BlackNMild2k1]

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Originally posted by: Chozo Ghost
Here is something I came across today. I am not sure if this is something to do with the PS3 or some other thing they make, but it kinda shows how corrupt and greedy they are:

How Sony plans to recoup their PS3 losses

Show it to the die-hard Sony fans you know and tell them this is how their favorite company treats its loyal customers.

I'm sure they had some sort of super express overnite(same day?) shipping for a screw to come out to 61 Euros. That is just  way too insane of a price and all the facts must not be present.

[GoldenPhoenix]

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Originally posted by: Ceric
Yeah, but personally, I don't think Disc in the DVD/CD sense is the best shape for that type of media from my understanding.  It be really exciting to see it come out in the size of a DS Card, a little thicker and bigger then a SD card.  I think thats the ideal size for Media.  To much smaller and it becomes to easy to lose.

Speak for yourself I've lost a few DS games!

[GoldenPhoenix]

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Originally posted by: Chozo Ghost

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Originally posted by: BlackNMild2k1
A holographic card would be even better than a disc, no worries about scratches and fingerprints.

But protein coated disc? Thats the first I heard of that. Sounds interesting, and should be out in some form or another in about a year? Sounds even better.

Yeah. I would recommend people to hold off on adopting HD-DVD or Blu-ray. I think this generation format war is just a stepping stone, and it is probably going to quickly move to either Holographic discs or Protein discs or god only knows what in another 5 years or something. I don't think this current generation will last as long or be as successful as VHS or DVD...

But it really depends on what the movie industry will adopt. You can have the best format in the world but if studios won't put content on it then it doesn't matter.

I love my HD-DVD (The Xbox 360 one)player and will soon be getting Blu-Ray (yes a stand alone player, I don't want my PS3 burning my house down while watching movies). So it better stick around!

[KDR_11k]

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Originally posted by: GoldenPhoenix

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Originally posted by: Ceric
Yeah, but personally, I don't think Disc in the DVD/CD sense is the best shape for that type of media from my understanding.  It be really exciting to see it come out in the size of a DS Card, a little thicker and bigger then a SD card.  I think thats the ideal size for Media.  To much smaller and it becomes to easy to lose.

Speak for yourself I've lost a few DS games!

That's nothing, I lost a few SNES games!

[Chozo Ghost]

Am I the only one who has never lost a game before? I've had some people borrow some and never return them, but that is different... I usually take good care of things, and I've learned if people want to borrow games from me now they better leave a deposit.