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« Reply #1975 on: June 09, 2007, 01:13:50 PM »
I've been holding off on HD DVD because it just looks like Sony is going to win this one at current.  The only thing this arrogant company needs to do is keep price current with HD DVD and they'd have a sure winner.  Even more if they'd get officially liscenced combo players going at an AFFORDABLE rate, not triple that of both combined..

I understand it's a loss of money selling them at the price they are now... but that's their fault for helping to cause a format war in the first place, as well as Toshiba...

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« Reply #1976 on: June 09, 2007, 01:42:38 PM »
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But will people actually BUY HD-DVDs instead of regular DVDs?


I've been buying HD-DVDs instead of DVD (Planet Earth is AMAZING in HD).
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« Reply #1977 on: June 09, 2007, 02:52:07 PM »
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« Reply #1978 on: June 09, 2007, 10:50:25 PM »
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Toshiba will begin selling laptops all standard-equipped with HD-DVD drives beginning in 2008.  Apparently they've also sold a GOOD number of laptops in the past 12 months (more than the ps3 managed), so they're attracting quite an audience, especially for a product that's far more useful than a consumer-unfriendly game console.

That's PRACTICAL market penetration.  Tear a new one.


I don't see that as practical as the ps3.  People want to watch movies on their tv, hd-tvs are the reason the new format is being pushed, and this is for laptops.  I don't see these people buying hddvds unless they also happen to buy an at home player.
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« Reply #1979 on: June 11, 2007, 06:05:33 AM »
The only reason that Blu-Ray has been doing as well as it has been is because PS3 owners have no games to play and have to find some reason to justify the system, Don't  believe me look at what happen with UMD movies and the PSP. When the PSP first came out and had next to nothing in games (very similar to the PS3 right now) the PSP owners when out and bought tons of UMD movies making UMD look like a hot format. But once the appeal of the PSP wore off and games started showing up UMD movies crashed and burned.

I'm more then willing to bet that Blu-Ray movies will do the same thing.
HD-DVD on the other hand has been doing well without the help of a console, so if there is going to be a winner it will most likely be HD-DVD.
But in all truth I see both formats dieing off. Their just the next version of lazierdisc and VCDs
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RE: Sony getting hit Hard lately (Now with 80 to 100 units less fat!)
« Reply #1980 on: June 11, 2007, 09:36:08 AM »
I can't agree with you there cap.  Blu-Ray, unlike UMDs, use your entertainment center and has standalone players.
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« Reply #1981 on: June 11, 2007, 03:52:02 PM »
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I can't agree with you there cap.  Blu-Ray, unlike UMDs, use your entertainment center and has standalone players.


Plus Blu-ray offers a considerable improvement in quality over DVD, whereas UMD was actually a step backwards. On the other hand, so does HD-DVD... it will be an interesting battle, but I think I would wait until the dust settles before buying either one, or get one of the dual players. Who wants to buy one for hundreds of dollars and then have it die off like laserdisc or Betamax?
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« Reply #1982 on: June 11, 2007, 04:10:10 PM »
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I can't agree with you there cap.  Blu-Ray, unlike UMDs, use your entertainment center and has standalone players.


Plus Blu-ray offers a considerable improvement in quality over DVD, whereas UMD was actually a step backwards. On the other hand, so does HD-DVD... it will be an interesting battle, but I think I would wait until the dust settles before buying either one, or get one of the dual players. Who wants to buy one for hundreds of dollars and then have it die off like laserdisc or Betamax?


I love my HD-DVD player and it wasn't that expensive either since it was the Xbox 360 add on.
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« Reply #1983 on: June 11, 2007, 04:59:40 PM »
I read a report that says HD DVD players have about 60% of the market right now. I'm not going to link the source, because it's probably crap, but if it's true, then it bodes well for...everyone that isn't Sony. I think I'll get the 360's add-on, since it's pretty cheap, although I'd rather have on that uses HDMI...kind of. I guess just using a USB cable behind a console is actually more convenient than adding another cable to the effing mess behind my TV.
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« Reply #1984 on: June 11, 2007, 05:37:35 PM »
DVD > ALL because the extra features of HD-DVD and Blu-Ray are practically non-existent to an untrained eye.
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« Reply #1985 on: June 11, 2007, 06:36:49 PM »
speaking of HD extras, If you ever look into it almost all the extras on HD-DVD and Blu-Ray are actually direct DVD copies their not even in HD.
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« Reply #1986 on: June 11, 2007, 07:55:14 PM »
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speaking of HD extras, If you ever look into it almost all the extras on HD-DVD and Blu-Ray are actually direct DVD copies their not even in HD.


Yes that is a stupid trend that I hope they axe. They did it with The Matrix Trilogy for HD-DVD, the extras and even Animatrix were all 480p.
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RE: Sony getting hit Hard lately (Now with 80 to 100 units less fat!)
« Reply #1987 on: June 12, 2007, 07:01:39 AM »
I loved my Betamax it had better quality and a lot of cool effects.

I still say the biggest reason the new HD formats wouldn't catch on is that it doesn't save the user physical space like DVD's did.
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« Reply #1988 on: June 12, 2007, 07:23:45 AM »
There isn't a huge difference between DVD and either HD formats. With DVD, you got significantly better picture that doesn't downgrade over time, chapter skipping, menus, special features and so on. Just so much more than VHS. With Blu-Ray/HD-DVD, you have better picture granted you have an HDTV. Maybe I won't need multiple discs for TV shows. That's just not enough for me to adopt a new format.

For games, DVD doesn't seem to be holding 360 back. Factor in better compression techniques and it becomes even less of an issue. To replace DVD, there needs to be a good enough reason to replace it. Right now, I don't see any.
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« Reply #1989 on: June 12, 2007, 08:56:24 AM »
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There isn't a huge difference between DVD and either HD formats. With DVD, you got significantly better picture that doesn't downgrade over time, chapter skipping, menus, special features and so on. Just so much more than VHS. With Blu-Ray/HD-DVD, you have better picture granted you have an HDTV. Maybe I won't need multiple discs for TV shows. That's just not enough for me to adopt a new format.

For games, DVD doesn't seem to be holding 360 back. Factor in better compression techniques and it becomes even less of an issue. To replace DVD, there needs to be a good enough reason to replace it. Right now, I don't see any.


Well if the creator of MGS4 is to be believed, he can't put MGS4 on Xbox 360 because of storage restraints. In regards to HD-DVD vs Regular DVD, the difference is astounding.
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« Reply #1990 on: June 12, 2007, 09:38:44 AM »
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In regards to HD-DVD vs Regular DVD, the difference is astounding


...ly weak for a format trying to take the place of an established one, especially compared to past examples of this happening like Super 8 vs. VHS and then VHS vs. DVD. ;-)

The format will find its niche, much like Laserdiscs did, but I can't find myself interested in it... especially seeing as how the more obscure titles, especially Japanese cinema, is going to pass it by.
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« Reply #1991 on: June 12, 2007, 11:49:10 AM »
Q]Originally posted by: GoldenPhoenix
In regards to HD-DVD vs Regular DVD, the difference is astounding


...ly expensive. Why should I spend $400+ (not including the cost of an HDTV) to gain the privelege of rebuying my entire DVD collection and risking having another laserdisc on my hands? Think of all the games I could buy instead!
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« Reply #1992 on: June 12, 2007, 12:52:24 PM »
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In regards to HD-DVD vs Regular DVD, the difference is astounding


...ly expensive.


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« Reply #1993 on: June 12, 2007, 01:14:52 PM »
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In regards to HD-DVD vs Regular DVD, the difference is astounding.


..ly  minimal unless you are on a 42 inch widescreen or larger.


I want in on the meme too!

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« Reply #1994 on: June 12, 2007, 02:03:10 PM »
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In regards to HD-DVD vs Regular DVD, the difference is astounding


...ly expensive. Why should I spend $400+ (not including the cost of an HDTV) to gain the privelege of rebuying my entire DVD collection and risking having another laserdisc on my hands? Think of all the games I could buy instead!


It is only 200$ if you get the Xbox 360 one.
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« Reply #1995 on: June 12, 2007, 02:03:33 PM »
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In regards to HD-DVD vs Regular DVD, the difference is astounding.


..ly  minimal unless you are on a 42 inch widescreen or larger.


I want in on the meme too!


I have a 42 inch plasma screen.
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« Reply #1996 on: June 12, 2007, 02:03:36 PM »
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In regards to HD-DVD vs Regular DVD, the difference is astounding.


..ly  minimal unless you are on a 42 inch widescreen or larger.


I want in on the meme too!


I have a 42 inch plasma screen.
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« Reply #1997 on: June 12, 2007, 02:08:41 PM »
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In regards to HD-DVD vs Regular DVD, the difference is astounding


...ly expensive. Why should I spend $400+ (not including the cost of an HDTV) to gain the privelege of rebuying my entire DVD collection and risking having another laserdisc on my hands? Think of all the games I could buy instead!


It is only 200$ if you get the Xbox 360 one.


Okay, $600 then.
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« Reply #1998 on: June 12, 2007, 02:10:56 PM »
You get an Xbox 360 system with alot of quality games as well!
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« Reply #1999 on: June 12, 2007, 02:12:30 PM »
Haha, I know, just having some fun with numbers. Pshaw... as if I'd overcome the psychological block I have against buying a second system!
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