Topic: Official Nintendo's Game Lineup Discussion Thread

[NWR_pap64]

More crap from Nintendo covering up their thin line-up due to their inability to make real games in-house and getting 3rd parties onboard.

You know what? Your constant trolling (whether it be intentional or just for laughs) is getting annoying.

If you have an issue with Nintendo, the Wii, its games and third parties (and it seems everything gets a negative reaction from you) at the very least make an effort in posting exactly why you feel this way and reason behind your posts rather than trying to go against the crowd for the hell of it.

I'm sorry if I'm misinterpreting your brand of forum humor, but the constant bashing feels more like intentional trolling than an attempt towards being the forum's clown.

[DAaaMan64]

More crap from Nintendo covering up their thin line-up due to their inability to make real games in-house and getting 3rd parties onboard.

You know what? Your constant trolling (whether it be intentional or just for laughs) is getting annoying.

If you have an issue with Nintendo, the Wii, its games and third parties (and it seems everything gets a negative reaction from you) at the very least make an effort in posting exactly why you feel this way and reason behind your posts rather than trying to go against the crowd for the hell of it.

I'm sorry if I'm misinterpreting your brand of forum humor, but the constant bashing feels more like intentional trolling than an attempt towards being the forum's clown.

We aren't over run with real trolls just yet, so why don't you just take him for what he is, wrong.

I for one find Pro hilarious.

[Kairon]

Pro's just trying to drag our collective IQs back down. Our discourse is just too high for the internets, and he's trying to correct the balance.

If it's true that Europe isn't getting Brawl until Fall... that's just horrible!

[NWR_pap64]

That's why I am giving him the benefit of the doubt and see what he has to say before dragging this further.

I HAVE seen him as the poster that goes against the crowd, especially in a forum like this. But at times I do wonder where the act ends and begins, and lately I've been feeling a lot of angst out of him.

[Svevan]

And BTW, I agree that Nintendo has always thought they had great ideas about when to release games, but they've always been wrong.

A claim like that BEGS for some corroborating proof.

My comment is a little unfair, since I see Nintendo's release schedule as an impossible proposition: their lineup is very diverse owing to sparse third party support on their last two systems. This means that third parties have to pick, like, three times out of the year when Nintendo ISN'T releasing a heavy hitter to release their games and hope against hope that they'll pick up some sales. At the same time, Nintendo's release schedule seems to be RELYING on third party support that isn't there, since there are these huge gaps between big titles; if they do start releasing everything at once then they risk (lol not really) undercutting their own sales. Honestly, they're the single best and biggest game developer, and they only put their games on one console, resulting in a surplus of Nintendo games, but a small overall console library.

I personally think throwing all their great games out there is a great idea. I've never approved of their piecemeal Virtual Console schedule, or this idea that Mario and Zelda can't come out within 6 months of each other. Just get the good games out there, get the consoles in peoples hands, and encourage third parties to make games for this awesome userbase. Nintendo needs to stop assuming that all we live for is their one big release of the season: it's true that we do that, now, because that's all we CAN do.

[Shift Key]

That's why I am giving him the benefit of the doubt and see what he has to say before dragging this further.

I HAVE seen him as the poster that goes against the crowd, especially in a forum like this. But at times I do wonder where the act ends and begins, and lately I've been feeling a lot of angst out of him.

I'm gonna jump in here and try to convey a point.
Those three games you mention don't have a release date in Australia. That's right, the three flagship titles of 2008 could be released this year, but have no guarantee to appear here this year.

You may say "Oh, but localizing games take time."

Counterpoint 1: This has been going on for years. If Nintendo were serious about getting these games into the hands of gamers they'd have ramped up translation efforts (and increased manufacturing capabilities) to meet demand.

Counterpoint 2: Games have been translated poorly even under the "release when its ready" scheme. As we speak, the poorly-translated European version of Advanced Wars is reaching our shores.

Counterpoint 3: Even though we are not one of the major market (you could argue that Japan isn't a major market as well) I will say that the competition does a far better job of supporting these markets.

But hey, I could go on about the joke that has been Nintendo Australia. The fact that Nintendo is leading this generation in spite of their incompetence is mind-boggling. Its points like yours which **** me off because it conveys a distorted state of reality.

The fact that you think your reality is the only one is also stupid, but that's for another day.

[GoldenPhoenix]

That's why I am giving him the benefit of the doubt and see what he has to say before dragging this further.

I HAVE seen him as the poster that goes against the crowd, especially in a forum like this. But at times I do wonder where the act ends and begins, and lately I've been feeling a lot of angst out of him.

I'm gonna jump in here and try to convey a point.
Those three games you mention don't have a release date in Australia. That's right, the three flagship titles of 2008 could be released this year, but have no guarantee to appear here this year.

You may say "Oh, but localizing games take time."

Counterpoint 1: This has been going on for years. If Nintendo were serious about getting these games into the hands of gamers they'd have ramped up translation efforts (and increased manufacturing capabilities) to meet demand.

Counterpoint 2: Games have been translated poorly even under the "release when its ready" scheme. As we speak, the poorly-translated European version of Advanced Wars is reaching our shores.

Counterpoint 3: Even though we are not one of the major market (you could argue that Japan isn't a major market as well) I will say that the competition does a far better job of supporting these markets.

But hey, I could go on about the joke that has been Nintendo Australia. The fact that Nintendo is leading this generation in spite of their incompetence is mind-boggling. Its points like yours which **** me off because it conveys a distorted state of reality.

The fact that you think your reality is the only one is also stupid, but that's for another day.

Poor pap, he gets crucified when he didn't even mention anything about games in that post.

Anyway I think this staggering of European and American releases for games is stupid, especially how Europeans always get the shaft. Smash Brothers Brawl in FALL for Europe? Wow talk about stupid, and I am hearing they are pulling something similar with Mario Kart Wii with Europe getting it a few weeks before the U.S. It makes zero sense.

[Infernal Monkey]

Yeah, it's pretty amusing that Nintendo Australia has no plans as of yet to release Mario Kart, Brawl or Wii Fit at all this year. I mean wow, I know they gave up on the GameCube about three months after launch because nobody cared about the system, but the Wii (Sports) is kinda popular here.

When Sega and Atari are doing better jobs at getting games out, you know something's hilariously wrong with what is supposed to be the most successful game company out there.

[Shift Key]

but the Wii (Sports) is kinda popular here.

Kinda? The thing is still selling like hotcakes.

A mate of mine tried to buy a Wii during the week and its now people reserving systems for the next shipment, whenever that is.

[Infernal Monkey]

Yeah, by kinda I meant ridiculously popular Which just makes it oh so much better that Nintendo continues to hate everyone that supports them!

[Kairon]

It's sorta ridiculous too because Nintendo launched the darn hardware almost simultaneously. Why can't they do that with their games?!?!?!

[Svevan]

Cause today even Mario games require massive text! NOE's localization flunkies spend their days adding the letter U to every word in the game.

[Chozo Ghost]

Poor pap, he gets crucified when he didn't even mention anything about games in that post.

You might say Pap got smeared.

(Okay.... now that was my lame attempt to be the forum clown.)

Seriously, why get too worked up by anyone's trolling or clowning here? It's not like our discussions are ever too serious anyway. I'll admit sometimes the sarcasm gets old, but why let it bother you?

[Plugabugz]

Cause today even Mario games require massive text! NOE's localization flunkies spend their days adding the letter U to every word in the game.

I object against your coloured statement!

[KDR_11k]

Besides, they don't even do that. Nintendo has some of the laziest translators I've seen. Even EA makes sure the voice acting gets translated.

[Bill Aurion]

Besides, they don't even do that. Nintendo has some of the laziest translators I've seen.

That's too bad, because NOA's Treehouse is the best localization team out there...

[Mario]

Is this now the PAL bitchfest thread?

Who else supports a Brawl boycott?

[Stogi]

I have a feeling a special game is going to come out this December and "paint" the town red.

[Deguello]

And BTW, I agree that Nintendo has always thought they had great ideas about when to release games, but they've always been wrong.

A claim like that BEGS for some corroborating proof.

My comment is a little unfair, since I see Nintendo's release schedule as an impossible proposition: their lineup is very diverse owing to sparse third party support on their last two systems. This means that third parties have to pick, like, three times out of the year when Nintendo ISN'T releasing a heavy hitter to release their games and hope against hope that they'll pick up some sales. At the same time, Nintendo's release schedule seems to be RELYING on third party support that isn't there, since there are these huge gaps between big titles; if they do start releasing everything at once then they risk (lol not really) undercutting their own sales. Honestly, they're the single best and biggest game developer, and they only put their games on one console, resulting in a surplus of Nintendo games, but a small overall console library.

I personally think throwing all their great games out there is a great idea. I've never approved of their piecemeal Virtual Console schedule, or this idea that Mario and Zelda can't come out within 6 months of each other. Just get the good games out there, get the consoles in peoples hands, and encourage third parties to make games for this awesome userbase. Nintendo needs to stop assuming that all we live for is their one big release of the season: it's true that we do that, now, because that's all we CAN do.

I think you misunderstand.  I'm requesting that you show me proof that Nintendo "always had great ideas about when to release games" and that they have "always been wrong" about them.  Mainly because this absolute claim can be destroyed with just one example of them doing it "right."

For instance, Nintendo released Nintendogs in America in August of 2005.  Since then, it has sold 17 million units, and basically shot the DS into the stratosphere.  I'd say that's was very effective and "correct."  Other examples include: Releasing Wii in November 2006.  Releasing New Super Mario Bros. in May 2006.

I think you'll also have to define what being "wrong" is?  Sales?  Game quality?  What?

[Svevan]

Jeff, for serious, wtf.

My statement was hyperbole. I don't think Nintendo is ALWAYS doing one thing or ALWAYS doing another. Absolute statements never hold up. I think I clarified my position well enough in my previous post: Nintendo has to walk a fine line between competing with their third parties and supporting them, and I don't think they've walked it well.

[Kairon]

How so Svevan? Is the only way Nintendo can help third parties be not to release games during the Holiday season at all?

[that Baby guy]

I don' think they'll ever walk it well.  Nintendo's games have legs, so third parties will always blame Nintendo whether there was a nearby release or not.  The fact is, one day, we'll hear how the Wii helped third party dev/publisher X earn a record-breaking profit for this quarter, and then on the next day, we'll hear their future line-up and the Wii will basically be excluded for silly reasons that don't really hold water.

[Svevan]

How so Svevan? Is the only way Nintendo can help third parties be not to release games during the Holiday season at all?

I personally think throwing all their great games out there is a great idea. I've never approved of their piecemeal Virtual Console schedule, or this idea that Mario and Zelda can't come out within 6 months of each other. Just get the good games out there, get the consoles in peoples hands, and encourage third parties to make games for this awesome userbase. Nintendo needs to stop assuming that all we live for is their one big release of the season: it's true that we do that, now, because that's all we CAN do.

[ShyGuy]

I donno, the 360 has shown that hardtime longcore gamers seem to buy one big title a month, then move on to the next one. Even the online multiplayer titles seem to spike and drop on the Xbox 360.

[Deguello]

Nintendo has to walk a fine line between competing with their third parties and supporting them, and I don't think they've walked it well.

Maybe if the third parties manned up and decided to put effort into Wii titles, Nintendo might have a reason to reschedule. And hey, I think Nintendo front-loading 2008 is a fantastic idea.  This is "releasing a lot of quality at once," because usually Nintendo didn't have this many quality games coming out at once, and they'll try to save some for the holidays.

Nintendo learned with the DS launch that they can never count on third parties.  They even held back crucial first party games like Pokemon Dash (POKEMON) in order to allow Third parties a clean slate, only having to compete with the sole Mario 64 DS.  they responded with Ping Pals and The Urbz.  From that Moment onward Nintendo knew they could never count on them.  They had abandoned them at the start of their most important console ever.  Perhaps their mistrust is justified.   Sure they came back after they found out the PSP doesn't exactly sell games with its hardware, but don't think they would if things were different.

When Konami brings Metal Gear, and Capcom Brings Legitimate Resident Evil, and Square Enix brings Legitimate Final Fantasy, maybe we'll talk about schedule maneuvers.  But if they keep taking giant ****s on the Wii, like Target Terror and all this other half-assed, near-sabotage shovelware, Nintendo has every right to drop bars of gold on top of that ****, just so the Wii doesn't look bad.

Edit: and forgive me if My sarcasm meter is broken.  Ian broke it with his insistence that the DS is the worst Nintendo platform ever.