Author Topic: Microsoft showing their true colors once again. (Read 59409 times)

NinGurl69 *huggles · « **Reply #200 on:** July 05, 2007, 11:35:48 AM »

So basically, MS admits to making moutains upon mountains of FAULTY PRODUCT, and are trying to sound like nice people in this statement.

Kairon · « **Reply #201 on:** July 05, 2007, 11:36:46 AM »

This isn't really a set back. They were intending to make a profit in the THIRD generation, not the second.

Blue Plant · « **Reply #202 on:** July 05, 2007, 11:40:38 AM »

I thought it wasn't really about profit but about market share and beating out Sony? By any means necessary...

BigJim · « **Reply #203 on:** July 05, 2007, 12:17:54 PM »

"You've spoken, and we’ve heard you."

Translation: The horrible PR was catching up to us too fast to keep our heads in the sand any longer.

I was just about to post the newsbyte. Well finally MS woke up. So good on them for the 3 year coverage, but I'm still hesitant to get a system unless I know it has all the right safeguards. Any off-the-shelf box today can be defective. And I sure as hell wouldn't want a refurbished unit as a replacement.

Kairon · « **Reply #204 on:** July 05, 2007, 12:25:37 PM »

It's worth noting that that 3-year warranty is JUST for the red ring of death issue, I believe.

BigJim · « **Reply #205 on:** July 05, 2007, 01:32:05 PM »

Yep, the three Ring salute, to be exact.

King of Twitch · « **Reply #206 on:** July 05, 2007, 01:54:25 PM »

Great Nintendized understatement on the yahoo/ap version:

"It suggests the problem is pretty widespread," Rosoff said."

SixthAngel · « **Reply #207 on:** July 05, 2007, 07:21:10 PM »

This is a billion dollar loss from last quarter and doesn't count the money they will still lose on the xboxes sold until they finally fix the problem. This just means more and more people getting the crappy refurbs. This isn't something to congratulate MS on, it is a problem that should have never happened and shouldn't have been denied until the mountain of evidence that people had became too great.

Will developers respond since they should realize that the sales numbers for the xbox will from now on be unreliable?

Once you get it repaired what is your warranty on the refurb that you receive?

Kairon · « **Reply #208 on:** July 05, 2007, 08:05:43 PM »

What's unreliable? Software sales evidently aren't affected by the Three RROD. Capcom still sold millions of copies of Lost Planet and Dead Rising. What's not to love if you're a third party?

I bet you're taken care of for 3 years from original date of purchase, no matter how times it's replaced. Can't imagine they'd do it any other way.

SixthAngel · « **Reply #209 on:** July 05, 2007, 08:22:33 PM »

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Originally posted by: Kairon
What's unreliable? Software sales evidently aren't affected by the Three RROD. Capcom still sold millions of copies of Lost Planet and Dead Rising. What's not to love if you're a third party?

I bet you're taken care of for 3 years from original date of purchase, no matter how times it's replaced. Can't imagine they'd do it any other way.

The number of consoles that are actually on the market and working is unreliable even with a big warranty (that everyone who has a dead system won't know about). Claiming a user base is a certain size isn't the same when the reliability of the consoles means the number has to be less.

Kairon · « **Reply #210 on:** July 05, 2007, 08:41:35 PM »

Yeah, I got that. But still, game sales on the XBox 360 look enticingly healthy even WITH all these issues.

SixthAngel · « **Reply #211 on:** July 05, 2007, 09:20:28 PM »

But when game sales for systems like the Wii are also enticing and don't have these issues you get another reason to jump ship. The hardware issue gets worse as time goes on and more systems fail. Remember these games were also selling before enough failures happened for the new warranty. If you are a developer you have to wonder in the coming years how many of the 360s will actually still be around and whether new games you make have a chance of exceeding past game sales and reaching the limits other systems could with the same "sold" numbers. Its just another reason for a company to avoid the box, especially if they don't have previous games to go by and want some good numbers to use to estimate their possible business.

Kairon · « **Reply #212 on:** July 05, 2007, 10:11:21 PM »

Hmm...warm, gooey, F.U.D. ge...

Blue Plant · « **Reply #213 on:** July 05, 2007, 10:13:23 PM »

A whole lotta Zoidbergs bought 8...

Luigi Dude · « **Reply #214 on:** July 08, 2007, 09:31:55 AM »

Here's a great article that pretty much confirms everything a lot of us have been saying for awhile now. The 360 FAILS

I think this quote sums it up perfectly.

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In Australia Microsoft refused to return calls on the issue and their PR Company even went as far as saying that there was no problem and that SmartHouse was exaggerating. So we decided to contact retailers selling the Xbox 360. They reported massive problems with the console with several claiming that the return rate was over 30%

As an example the Sony PS2 had a return rate of between 1 & 2% The PS 3 which has only been in the market for 6 months is less than 1%. Robbie Bach, president of Microsoft's entertainment and devices division, declined in an interview to say what specifically caused the failures or how high the failure rate has been, but Asian manufacturers of the Xbox 360 who have been pressured by Microsoft to lower costs by as much as 15% say that the problem is caused by poor Microsoft design and the Company buying low cost components in an effort to beat Sony.

There's your Microsoft Seal of Quality right there folks.

BigJim · « **Reply #215 on:** July 09, 2007, 08:29:36 PM »

360's 65nm die shrink arriving in the fall. Should cut cost of manufacturing those chips roughly in half.

Just in time for the fall weather, the repaired 360 will merely heat your house, rather than undesireably set it on fire.

Kairon · « **Reply #216 on:** July 09, 2007, 09:47:28 PM »

So we can most definitely expect an XBox 360 price drop this fall?

GoldenPhoenix · « **Reply #217 on:** July 09, 2007, 09:50:13 PM »

Here is hoping for the official announcements of Viva Pinata Party for fall and another Pinata game coming next year or so.

Kairon · « **Reply #218 on:** July 09, 2007, 09:57:27 PM »

I swear, MS should just pack-in a Rare 2-pack: Kameo and Viva Pinata. Decent titles, and varied and even reaching out to new players!

... though they should probably do this as a limited time Spring/Summer '08 to shore up a traditionally dry season. Even better if they had done this Summer '07!

Kairon · « **Reply #219 on:** July 09, 2007, 11:35:17 PM »

Just when you thought they were clear...

Scratched Disk Class Action Lawsuit.

couchmonkey · « **Reply #220 on:** July 10, 2007, 06:52:27 AM »

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Originally posted by: Kairon
Just when you thought they were clear...

Scratched Disk Class Action Lawsuit.

Ah ha ha ha, I love the choice of Peter Moore DJing for the photo on the article. Anyway...my prediction is that MS will drop the price before the end of the year, but not until the Halo 3 launch, or possibly even later. The game division really wants to make a profit, it seems, but I don't think they can ignore the so-so sales forever. PS2 should not be outselling it at this point.

GoldenPhoenix · « **Reply #221 on:** July 10, 2007, 05:02:24 PM »

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Here is hoping for the official announcements of Viva Pinata Party for fall and another Pinata game coming next year or so.

All I have to say is, remember who leaked this information first!

NinGurl69 *huggles · « **Reply #222 on:** July 12, 2007, 08:37:42 AM »

Recent 11.6mil Xbox360s are faulty

Goldberg says: YOU'RE NEXT

SixthAngel · « **Reply #223 on:** July 12, 2007, 08:36:48 PM »

Shouldn't this absolutely require a recall. Every system has a problem that makes it break, they should be replaced and they should be forced to replace them. I heard Britain has a law that required electronics recalls on failure rates of over 15%. Is it true? Are there laws in any country that stops companies from releasing completely faulty products?

Kairon · « **Reply #224 on:** July 12, 2007, 08:56:10 PM »

MS is doing everything in their power to avoid a recall, I'm sure. Aren't they under investigation in europe over the rrod? The three-year warranty was probably an inspired effort to appease the watchdogs, trying to buy a way to deal with the issue without the admission of guilt that a recall would carry, instead of the "right thing to do" I would like to think it is.

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Author Topic: Microsoft showing their true colors once again. (Read 59409 times)