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RE: Microsoft showing their true colors once again.
« Reply #225 on: July 13, 2007, 04:50:16 AM »
Microsoft seems to be perpetually under investigation by government authorities somewhere for something or other.... nothing ever comes of these investigations, though.
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« Reply #226 on: July 13, 2007, 06:08:24 AM »
Volish what???  Who is that source anyway??

I'm sure that all the 360s are potentially faulty, but like Kairon says, MS will avoid a recall at all costs.  It would hamper business for months to come, the warranty set-up allows them to spread the misery out over the next three years.
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« Reply #227 on: July 13, 2007, 08:15:32 AM »
MS knows how to grease the wheels of its anti-trust investigators. I'm sure they can grease their way out of a recall too, lol...
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« Reply #228 on: July 13, 2007, 11:01:06 PM »
I am sure that MS has done the calculations and has found paying their lawyers to perpetually hold things off is cheaper in the short to mid term. To them, this is simply another cost in the ledger book. The big advantage for them is that unlike playing out for a lawsuit, they can control how much money is spent. Considering how Americans corporations are run these days it would be standard practice. Never looking more than two quarters ahead and blow chunks every time the shares move down. No organization should ever function like this.

The asinine messages that come out from a lot of corporations these days have me worried. I wouldn't be surprised if MS imploded suddenly with little to no warning.
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RE: Microsoft showing their true colors once again.
« Reply #229 on: July 15, 2007, 12:55:20 AM »
EB Games Australia Issues Total 360 Recall

Well it's better than selling the faulty units! Shame the new batch will probably break anyway.

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« Reply #230 on: July 15, 2007, 04:51:46 AM »
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EB Games Australia Issues Total Recall



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« Reply #231 on: July 15, 2007, 02:57:41 PM »
IF MS suddenly decided that it needed to change its media to HD-DVD then I'll bet you they'll just recall them all and be done with it.  Kill two birds with one very costly stone.  Offer a larger harddrive for the people who opted for the HD-DVD drive earlier.
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« Reply #232 on: July 15, 2007, 03:27:56 PM »
That would be stupid.  It would cost them a couple hundred extra per unit, and they'd never be able to charge users if it were part of a recall.

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« Reply #234 on: July 23, 2007, 07:20:22 AM »
Oh, this is a good one.

GI Interview: MS says "Resident Evil 5 on 360 was supposed to be the big announcement of E3"
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Kim: Yeah, but here’s the thing: I think one of the most important, subtle announcements at the Xbox 360 briefing is that Resident Evil is coming to Xbox 360. Yes, it’s from Capcom, who’s been a great supporter of us.

GI: But we knew that two years ago.

Kim: What?

GI: Resident Evil. It was shown at TGS two years ago.

Kim: No, but coming to Xbox 360.

GI: Yeah. It was at the press event.

Kim: I don’t think so.

GI: I’m positive. I was there.

Kim: Really?

GI: It was shown at both press conferences.

Kim: That RE5 was coming to…?

GI: Yep.

Kim: I’m going to have to confirm that. That was supposed to be the big announcement


Wow, is he new to this scene or what? Where was he when this was announced oh so long ago with that little video of someone running through the alleyway to get away from zombies?

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« Reply #235 on: July 23, 2007, 07:30:07 AM »
LOL wow that's awesome.

It goes on to say:

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And Wii’s not a great platform for them to do Final Fantasy epic-level types of titles, and PS3 doesn’t have a big install base and lacks momentum of their own. I think you’re going to see more and more Japanese content for Xbox 360. Hopefully, you’ll see more Japanese customers for Xbox 360, even though we’ve got that smaller install base. It’s a chicken and egg thing, right? It always starts with content. Hopefully, we climbed the hump with Blue Dragon and Lost Odyssey when people see them. We’re not backing away from Japan, because we’re starting to win with Japanese publishers, and the more content we can get from those guys…


Really? and why not?

Clearly, the Xbox did so well with the Final Fantasy franchise. Oh wait that's right . . . Square-Enix isn't pushing FF on Xbox anymore.

And she speaks about install bases (even though it regards the PS3). Yeah, Xbox clearly has an install base in Japan where Japanese publishers should want to make games for the system. How many copies of Blue Dragon have sold? It took them, what, how many months to push 100k copies of the game?

Meanwhile DQS sold over what 300k copies in a WEEK.

Yeah you guys know what's going on. Stupid MS spin.    

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RE: Microsoft showing their true colors once again.
« Reply #236 on: July 23, 2007, 08:02:22 AM »
The interview is with Shane Kim, who I believe is a guy.
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« Reply #237 on: July 23, 2007, 08:44:24 AM »
To be brutally honest, it's unfortunate that so many executives think like Kim. I would have loved to see Square Enix release this game for Wii. Instead, it's apparently an XBox 360 exclusive. A Japanese Freespace-esque arcade flight shooter? I would have picked it up immediately. Unfortunately, Microsoft has no user base in Japan, and I can't really see this game (or any other SE game, for that matter) competing successfully against Gears of War, Halo 3, or Madden for the hearts and souls of the average American XBox 360 gamer. Which brings the question to mind: how much did Microsoft pay SE to publish this game for their console?

We do have a 3rd-party issue looming on the horizon, unfortunately. Nintendo needs to go out there and convince several friendly third parties to develop a couple of serious, epic games for the console. Nintendo couldn't have grown if it hadn't moved into the casual market, but it still needs to build third-party support for the serious gamer.  
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« Reply #238 on: July 23, 2007, 10:01:41 AM »
I'm going to say this.  Leaving out the Handheld market.  Who doesn't have 3rd party problems?  The only system that doesn't is the PS2.  Nothing that is current gen can say it doesn't have 3rd party woahs.

To be honest though, with just that 300k I think Dragon Quest had shot up to #6 on the Wii's Japan list according to the numbers SalesBot posted.  The next 3rd party game, the DBZ game, clocks in at 134,482 units total.  Also the first weeks sales is almost double that of the next highest first week sales, Wii Sports.  Definitely the exception not the rule.  Roughly speaking 10% of Wii owners in Japan now own Dragon Quest Swords and about 49% of the people who own a 360 owns Blue Dragon.  I honestly don't know which one to compare it to on the PS3.  Percentage wise Blue Dragon did very well.  Volume wise not so much.  It's back to the Chicken and Egg.

Do I think there is a market for Japanese games here in America?  Definitely.  Do I think other markets, Europe, should step up a little? Sure.  Am I wary that Consoles are starting their slow decent into obsoletion due to handhelds?  Yes.  Its innovate or die time.
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« Reply #239 on: July 23, 2007, 05:17:21 PM »
Man something about the European division of the gaming world is filled with really stupid individuals. I thought it was just Sony but I was wrong!

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The three-year warranty does actually give us an advantage over the competition. And the fact that we're now ahead of this thing will heighten people's levels of confidence in terms of the Xbox 360 purchase.


Yes MS . . . clearly your three year warranty gives you an advantage over the competition. The fact that all of your systems are defective may ruin that confidence in terms of purchasing your system, freaking idiots. Making out like it's some sort of freebee. YOU SOLD TONS OF DEFECTIVE PIECES OF HARDWARE ::Slams head into a table:: how does extending a warranty on something YOU are responsible for equal an advantage over the competition!?

Man MS and Sony are real winners lately with their European guys.  

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« Reply #240 on: July 24, 2007, 05:23:47 AM »
It's not the hardware makers having third party problems, it's the third parties having hardware-maker problems.

Sony and Microsoft priced themselves out of the market...possibly because they had no choice if they wanted to offer a level of hardware improvement that was acceptable to traditional gamers.

Nintendo came up with a new product that leaves a lot of the traditional market angry or at least dumbfounded, but that is cheap enough to grab up a lot of the traditional market plus some new markets.

Most third parties banked on the traditional consoles because they could quantify the audience.  Many PS3 projects were probably started 2-3 years ago when companies still thought PS3 would dominate the market.  And why wouldn't you think that?  Until people saw the Wii line-ups at E3, and heard Sony's ridiculous price, there was no telling things would turn out this way.  Even after that, many people were still skeptical: who would have predicted that Wii would still be sold out in many places even 8 months after launch?  Even huge proponents of the blue ocean / disruption business plan figured it would take about a year for Wii to catch on.

So what we have is a situation where a lot of  third parties are very invested in a big loser - PS3 - and most of them are way behind the curve on the big winner - Wii.  In fact many of them still aren't sure if Wii is the real deal.   It's not surprising, then, that third party support is all over the place.

Of course I'm ignoring 360, which actually has quite good third party support, it's just focused on a narrow demographic.  That's not a huge surprise, the original Xbox had the same problem (even worse), but I don't think people realized it as much until 360 had the first-mover advantage and had trouble selling systems.  
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« Reply #241 on: July 24, 2007, 08:29:42 AM »
I can agree with that.  It explains all the symptoms nicely.

For Geeks or people who do a lot of media watching in a variety of formats the PS3 is getting better every firmware update but is still to costly unless you go by adding the sum of its parts.  The Wii if you want just games but, are only interested in Classics and New Experiences its nice and the price is right.  The 360 is sort of a Jack of all trades in its own way now.  It still leans heavy to the right(PS3).  You think it sell better instead of relatively mediocre.  Well they undermined the consumers faith in the brand early on with defect rate and being percieved as a tyrant.  Now you couple that with the 360 supposively being the easiest to program for from ground zero, of course it be the Wii if you did a good amount of Cube programming.  Throw in that one of the Major Engines that would be powering these games has gone AWOL from all indications.  I wouldn't really want to be a third party right this second either.
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« Reply #242 on: July 24, 2007, 11:51:02 AM »
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Man something about the European division of the gaming world is filled with really stupid individuals. I thought it was just Sony but I was wrong!

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The three-year warranty does actually give us an advantage over the competition. And the fact that we're now ahead of this thing will heighten people's levels of confidence in terms of the Xbox 360 purchase.


Yes MS . . . clearly your three year warranty gives you an advantage over the competition. The fact that all of your systems are defective may ruin that confidence in terms of purchasing your system, freaking idiots. Making out like it's some sort of freebee. YOU SOLD TONS OF DEFECTIVE PIECES OF HARDWARE ::Slams head into a table:: how does extending a warranty on something YOU are responsible for equal an advantage over the competition!?

Man MS and Sony are real winners lately with their European guys.


It isn't even a real warranty since it only covers the 3 rings.  It is a custom designed warranty for the hardware defect, it sucks even as a warranty.

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« Reply #243 on: July 24, 2007, 12:35:24 PM »
LOL you know that's a very good point SixthAngel.

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« Reply #244 on: July 24, 2007, 12:44:56 PM »
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Yes MS . . . clearly your three year warranty gives you an advantage over the competition. The fact that all of your systems are defective may ruin that confidence in terms of purchasing your system, freaking idiots. Making out like it's some sort of freebee. YOU SOLD TONS OF DEFECTIVE PIECES OF HARDWARE ::Slams head into a table:: how does extending a warranty on something YOU are responsible for equal an advantage over the competition!?


Nintendo should put cordite charges in their Wiis, and rig them to blow up the first time you plug the console in. Then they should short-sell stock in life insurance companies and invest in casket-makers.  
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« Reply #245 on: July 24, 2007, 12:55:45 PM »
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Yes MS . . . clearly your three year warranty gives you an advantage over the competition. The fact that all of your systems are defective may ruin that confidence in terms of purchasing your system, freaking idiots. Making out like it's some sort of freebee. YOU SOLD TONS OF DEFECTIVE PIECES OF HARDWARE ::Slams head into a table:: how does extending a warranty on something YOU are responsible for equal an advantage over the competition!?


Nintendo should put cordite charges in their Wiis, and rig them to blow up the first time you plug the console in. Then they should short-sell stock in life insurance companies and invest in casket-makers.


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« Reply #247 on: August 22, 2007, 09:55:05 AM »
Wow.  Though the best part was that he was taken to Transylvania.
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« Reply #248 on: October 21, 2007, 04:20:41 PM »
New rumours: Xbox 360 Entertainment Centre Edition

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The new Xbox device, while allowing for extensive gaming capability, will be positioned as an entertainment hub that includes gaming and extensive wireless networking capability as well as 1080p playback. There is also talk of it including a dual HD TV tuner and EPG capability and a docking port for an MP3 player. For Toshiba, the device is critical if it is to be successful in beating Sony and the Blu-ray promoters.


Who said Microsoft wasn't competing with Sony for the lounge room?

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The new device is expected to be released late in 2008 or at the 2009 CES show in Las Vegas.


Next-Gen starts in 2009 confirmed. Start throwing your Wiis away now to save time.

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« Reply #249 on: October 22, 2007, 07:11:48 AM »
Who the Hell's going to want to buy a 360 in 2009?  The 720 will be out by then.
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