Author Topic: I hope "Secret Rings" doesn't suck... (Read 89536 times)

Crimm · « **Reply #75 on:** January 07, 2007, 02:47:59 PM »

It is developed by Sonic Team.

Bill Aurion · « **Reply #76 on:** January 07, 2007, 02:57:55 PM »

I thought Sonic Team didn't even exist as an actual team anymore...(Go go pointless Sega reorgs!)

Crimm · « **Reply #77 on:** January 07, 2007, 03:08:08 PM »

Well they still have an active website, and Secret of the Rings is listed as one of their games.

Apparently, Sonic Team was spun-off as a second party but after a bunch of the members left Sega re-integrated it and merged it with the AM9 team.

segagamer12 · « **Reply #78 on:** January 07, 2007, 03:58:56 PM »

THIS Sonic Team is not the REAL Sonic Team so it IS a different dev.

Crimm · « **Reply #79 on:** January 07, 2007, 04:39:41 PM »

It's the same people that made Shadow the Hedgehog, Sonic the Hedgehog (X-360), and I think Sonic Heroes.

Smash_Brother · « **Reply #80 on:** January 07, 2007, 06:26:24 PM »

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It's the same people that made Shadow the Hedgehog, Sonic the Hedgehog (X-360), and I think Sonic Heroes.

Ouch........

Never mind, then. Let us have a moment of silence for the passing of our dear blue hedgehog...

NWR_pap64 · « **Reply #81 on:** January 07, 2007, 06:35:31 PM »

I can safely say that any glimmer of hope towards Secret rings is gone for good...

Bill Aurion · « **Reply #82 on:** January 07, 2007, 06:50:37 PM »

No, no, no, how could the same dev work on both Sonic 360 and Secret Rings at the same time? It's definitely by two different sections of Sega...Not that says much considering it all sucks, but yeah...

denjet78 · « **Reply #83 on:** January 07, 2007, 07:22:15 PM »

I actually got into an argument on another forum (which I will never return to) due to my views as regarding Sonic way, way back when Sega first announced that they were going 3rd party. Basically I said that Sonic needed to be exclusive to Nintendo for two reasons:

1. Sega was showing Nintendo almost zero support at the time while giving Sony and MS huge exclusives left and right. I believed it was only fair that Nintendo received some exclusive support as well. And Super Monkey Ball didn't count, which is what, and ONLY what, I was rebutted with in regards to Nintendo exclusive Sega games. Right.

2. Multiplatform games almost always suck and while they were trying to take the franchise multi most likely they would try and make it "hip" and "cool" in order to sell it to Sony and MS fans and basically rape the franchise to death in the process.

The first one was really just my opinion but come on, who can't see that Sonic and Nintendo are a prefect fit. Everyone basically flamed me and told me how Sonic was too big for one console. Which of course explains why Sega released Sonic on every console even before they went 3rd party... morons. As for my second point, I knew it was going to happen. I just don't know why no one else could see it. Sonic would have never survived on the PS2 or XBox without being "upgraded". Anyway, the people on that forum got what they wanted. I just hope they're happy with how the games have turned out since then. I guess the only real reply I could have for them now is be careful what you wish for.

IceCold · « **Reply #84 on:** January 07, 2007, 07:51:39 PM »

Plus all the Sonic games still sold so much more on the Cube..

Smash_Brother · « **Reply #85 on:** January 08, 2007, 01:46:15 AM »

I agree with you fully, den.

I observed time and again that platform loyalty greatly helps a franchise not only because it isn't being spread across three platforms but because customers tend to be more loyal to the character if he/she is "faithful" to a single platform.

And Nintendo IS the perfect fit. Sega and Nintendo are both the last of the old platform makers. They forged this market through their competition with each other. I would have much rather seen them team up than see Nintendo prosper while Sega flounders.

One of the reasons I'd hope that SR would be good (and sells good) is that it might finally convince Sega to knock off this multiplatform BS.

Mario · « **Reply #86 on:** January 08, 2007, 01:56:40 AM »

Viewtiful Joe is another recent example, the second the PS2 port was announced the franchise completely died.

Smash_Brother · « **Reply #87 on:** January 08, 2007, 02:04:09 AM »

I personally am looking forward to franchises being announced for other consoles and then the announcement that there's a Wii port in development as well, but that's just the fanboy desire for revenge after the PS2 did that for all those years.

Terranigma Freak · « **Reply #88 on:** January 08, 2007, 02:42:36 AM »

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where you play as Peach for treasure hunting

I'll have you know that Super Princess Peach rocked!!!!

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1. Sega was showing Nintendo almost zero support at the time while giving Sony and MS huge exclusives left and right. I believed it was only fair that Nintendo received some exclusive support as well. And Super Monkey Ball didn't count, which is what, and ONLY what, I was rebutted with in regards to Nintendo exclusive Sega games. Right.

I see Sega and Nintendo as enemies to the bitter end. They were heated rivals and neither would submit to the other. I think that when Sega became third party, they didn't want to submit to their most hated rival. What support did the GC get? Don't forget, Sega was the first third party to start dropping support for the GC. It's their way of getting back at Nintendo even though they're third party.

Look at the Wii support right now. Looks just like GC all over again and I'll bet you the Wii will get the least amount of support from Sega this gen as well. I'm willing to bet that Sega will once again come out and say they'll drop most of their support for the Wii in a year or so.

Smash_Brother · « **Reply #89 on:** January 08, 2007, 03:02:53 AM »

Considering that Sony was the one who killed Sega, I don't see why they'd hate Nintendo over Sony. At the time the DC was suffering the most, it was the PS2 that it was trying to compete with, not any Nintendo hardware. Also, Nintendo hadn't competed with the Saturn. That, again, was Sony with their PS1.

Besides, like Ice said, Sega franchises ALWAYS sold best on GC and typically went to any other console only to die.

IceCold · « **Reply #90 on:** January 08, 2007, 06:21:18 AM »

It's sad too, because so many of SEGA's franchises could be greatly helped by the controller. NiGHTS, Panzer Dragoon, their arcade racing games, light gun games, Shenmue and on and on.. All of these are the perfect fit for Wii, and yet SEGA hasn't realised it so far, or hasn't said anything.

Maybe I'm too optimistic though; they might mess even these games up if they try. However, I still have a bit of hope; Panzer Dragoon Orta got great reviews across the board, and F-Zero GX was a success from Amusement Vision.

I still think the NiGHTS rumour will come true - there's just so much evidence for it.

Smash_Brother · « **Reply #91 on:** January 08, 2007, 07:27:32 AM »

I should add that I lamented the death of Toejam and Earl on the Xbox.

Putting it on the Xbox was the dumbest idea and someone at Sega SHOULD be shot for it...

couchmonkey · « **Reply #92 on:** January 08, 2007, 07:30:17 AM »

They put so many of their "hardcore" games on Xbox. Shenmue, Jet Set Radio Future, Gunvalkyrie, it's crazy. I'm sure any of those would have sold better on PS2 or GameCube.

Smash_Brother · « **Reply #93 on:** January 08, 2007, 07:44:07 AM »

That was around the time that Sega REALLY started going downhill.

It became clear that they had absolutely no clue where their market was and I'm pretty sure most of it was on the GC because Sonic found his first home there.

Ian Sane · « **Reply #94 on:** January 08, 2007, 09:27:29 AM »

"They put so many of their 'hardcore' games on Xbox. Shenmue, Jet Set Radio Future, Gunvalkyrie, it's crazy. I'm sure any of those would have sold better on PS2 or GameCube."

That drove me nuts too. It's like Sega was the only one stupid enough to actually believe Microsoft when they described the Xbox as a "hardcore gamer's machine". Even MS doesn't believe that. When MS says "hardcore gamer" they mean "someone who spends a lot of money on games" not "someone with a very passionate interest in games". Sega games are targetted at the original definition, not Microsoft's Newspeak definition.

To me the cut off point was when Sammy bought them. At that point they became like Atari, just a brand name that used to belong to a videogame superpower. Note that the really good Sega games from their third party era came out before the Sammy merger.

Smash_Brother · « **Reply #95 on:** January 08, 2007, 10:52:43 AM »

So Sonic Team is a 2nd party now? Hmm...

I wonder if Sega would consider selling them...to Nintendo.

Arbok · « **Reply #96 on:** January 08, 2007, 11:37:31 AM »

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So Sonic Team is a 2nd party now? Hmm...

I wonder if Sega would consider selling them...to Nintendo.

Considering their games of late, would it really be worth it to buy the team sans their franchises?

Smash_Brother · « **Reply #97 on:** January 08, 2007, 11:48:30 AM »

I'd like to see Sonic rescued from his fate, but that's just a fading dream, really.

Crimm · « **Reply #98 on:** January 08, 2007, 12:33:37 PM »

The reason that the team could work on both this and StH is that both have been in development for a very long time.

Secret of the Rings is approaching 2 years in the cycle.

Mario · « **Reply #99 on:** January 08, 2007, 12:37:14 PM »

A more likely reason for that is that they just suck and it takes them longer than normal devs to do basic things.

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