Author Topic: I hope "Secret Rings" doesn't suck... (Read 89537 times)

Smash_Brother · « **on:** January 04, 2007, 08:08:02 AM »

I've said this before and I'll say it again, after Sonic's latest horrible outing, "Secret Rings" is my absolute last hope for Sonic.

It's sad that, in it's unabated attempt at self-destruction, Sega has taken Sonic down with it. From the questionable Sonic Adventures (which I actually enjoyed) all the way to the latest mess, the only glimmer of hope we've seen in between was Sonic Rush on the DS, developed by a company other than Sonic Team.

I find myself with little faith left in Sonic, or more accurately, Sonic Team, which seems absolutely incapable of grinding out anything but garbage anymore.

Is there any reason to hope that SR will be anything but another crapfest or should I just accept Sonic's death and move on?

Kairon · « **Reply #1 on:** January 04, 2007, 08:20:59 AM »

SR doesn't have any Sonic Friends in the single player mode.

~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com

Ceric · « **Reply #2 on:** January 04, 2007, 08:24:45 AM »

Sounds like Wildfire... Oh I mean Onion Ring. Addresses most of the complaints they give. (Except why the name change? Wildfire was soooo much better...)

Ian Sane · « **Reply #3 on:** January 04, 2007, 08:25:29 AM »

"Is there any reason to hope that SR will be anything but another crapfest or should I just accept Sonic's death and move on?"

Accept Sonic's death and move on. You're probably the only person for which THIS game is their absolute LAST hope. The rest of us gave up around Shadow the Hedgehog or earlier.

Nothing lasts forever so I say enjoy the classic Sonic games. No matter what at least we'll always still have those.

Smash_Brother · « **Reply #4 on:** January 04, 2007, 08:27:52 AM »

I think the reason it stings so badly (aside from the fact I worshipped Sonic as a kid) is the fact that Mario, Zelda and Metroid all translated so well into 3D and continue to thrive to this very day whereas Sonic has just dwindled.

TrueNerd · « **Reply #5 on:** January 04, 2007, 08:28:45 AM »

Shane on 1Up Yours mentions how Secret Ring is supposedly good whenever others on the show talked about how awful the 360 game is.

I think putting the game on rails is a wise decision. I think that alone should make this Sonic the one that is most true to what the 2D games were. Hopefully they execute properly, a good 3D Sonic game would be nice, especially if it's exclusive to Wii.

Pale · « **Reply #6 on:** January 04, 2007, 08:39:27 AM »

This game should be called "Ride on Sonic!" or "Sonic: It's like you're riding him!" because that's what it plays like.

It may end up being fun, who knows... but I was left frustrated after playing it in September.

NinGurl69 *huggles · « **Reply #7 on:** January 04, 2007, 08:40:15 AM »

Sonic in 3D?

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHH

ryancoke · « **Reply #8 on:** January 04, 2007, 08:46:07 AM »

I think they should let the Klonoa team make a sonic game. Klonoa 2 for PS2 was one of the best platform games I ever played.

Luigi Dude · « **Reply #9 on:** January 04, 2007, 08:56:16 AM »

To me this game is the last chance to see if Sega can make a Sonic game that's just at least good and doesn't completly suck. To me all the 3d Sonic games have ranged from mediocre to complete sh!t. But the fact that this game is not being made by Sonic Team and that Sonic looks to be the only character that's playable is the only thing that makes this game look like it'll end up somewhat decent. Because my problem with ALL of the 3d Sonic games has been the lack of Sonic. I dont give a f*ck about all these crappy characters that have been thrown in just to give all the furry fans something to fap to, I just want to play as Sonic goddamnit.

But I agree, if this game ends up just as horrible as the other 3D Sonics then I'm done with Sonic as well. The only way I'd buy another Sonic game is if Nintendo somehow would get the rights to make a Sonic game and have Tokyo EAD make it. Because Donkey Kong: Jungle Beat played more like a Sonic game then anything Sega's released in the last 10 years.

Kairon · « **Reply #10 on:** January 04, 2007, 08:59:13 AM »

So you want Nintendo EDA to work on Sonic after Mario Galaxy Luigi Dude?

~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com

JonLeung · « **Reply #11 on:** January 04, 2007, 09:03:21 AM »

I liked Adventure 2 Battle. And Heroes. Even Shadow wasn't too bad. Riders was okay.

*runs out of topic*

Terranigma Freak · « **Reply #12 on:** January 04, 2007, 09:40:51 AM »

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I think they should let the Klonoa team make a sonic game. Klonoa 2 for PS2 was one of the best platform games I ever played.

Wasn't Klonoa a 2D game despite the 3D graphics?

Anyway, I think the issue also has to do with the fact that Sonic is a speed based game. Think about it, to run really fast, you need wide open space to do so or you'll be running into objects all the time. In a 3D game, wide open space can also provide other new problems like scenary. You're basically running around with very little anything around you. You have to balance the scenary without causing problems with the gameplay. I mean, it's probably possible, but would take a lot of time.

Here's an example, let's take Hyrule Field from OOT. That place is large and a bit empty, but is it enough for a Sonic stage? I do believe Sonic travels at 1,000x the speed of Epona so how long will it take him to run from one end to another (BTW, I'm just talking about the large wide open area)? Less than 60 seconds? Not a very thrilling race is it?

Also, while Secret Rings uses 3D polygonal graphics, I don't think on rails is the answer to the problem. For one thing, that's not exactly a "3D" Sonic game. Running with the camera behind you in a straight line could have been done on the Snes/Genesis. Don't you want a large wide open world to explore (this is directed to Sonic fan here cause I don't know what you guys really think)? Don't you want to explore, or are you satisfied just as long as the graphics are 3D and you can run very fast?

ReverendNoahWhateley · « **Reply #13 on:** January 04, 2007, 09:49:43 AM »

SR's whimsical setting has me charmed. An Arabian Nights-themed level? That sounds like a great stomping ground for a bipedal hedgehog. Tell me more!

Sonic died for me the minute I realized I was chasing down a president in Tails's transformer mech. Shadow's foray into solo stardom was just Sega tying marionette strings around the corpse of the franchise, and having it dance around to the tune of whiny angst rock.

Ian Sane · « **Reply #14 on:** January 04, 2007, 10:22:37 AM »

One thing I would like to see is return to Sonic's original look. They changed the way he looked in Sonic Adventure. He has blue eyes and longer spikes now. I much preferred how he looked on the Genesis. It's minor and it won't fix the game but it would be cool nonetheless.

I think the real solution is just to not make 3D Sonic games anymore. Why do I want to explore vast 3D worlds when the point of the game is to run like a motherf*cker? What they probably could do is design the stages like you would for a racing game only with multiple paths that split off. That more or less is what a 2D Sonic level is. It was always a sprint from left to right BUT you could jump at certain points and get on a different path. So far with Sonic in 3D the level design seems to be either stupid non-Sonic related level or "hold up the whole time". I think the Sonic stages in Sonic Adventure 1 & 2 were a reasonably good idea but they seemed to really only have one path. I should be able to hit a fork in the road and encounter entirely different sections of a level, in every level.

Luigi Dude · « **Reply #15 on:** January 04, 2007, 10:34:52 AM »

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Originally posted by: Kairon
So you want Nintendo EDA to work on Sonic after Mario Galaxy Luigi Dude?

~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com

If Nintendo could get the rights, a huge YES. Nintendo has a perfect record at taking 2d games to 3d, so they are the ONLY company that could finally bring Sonic into 3d. Plus they've shown with Donkey Kong: Jungle Beat they could actually make a 2d Sonic that would match the greatness of the original ones. Something Sega can't do.

Smash_Brother · « **Reply #16 on:** January 04, 2007, 11:31:47 AM »

Normally this is where I'd say, "Sonic is Sega's baby, though." but they've already ruined him enough that it's clear to me that ANYONE could do a better job of it, even no name developing houses like the one who made Rush.

Darkheart · « **Reply #17 on:** January 04, 2007, 12:05:15 PM »

But WHY oh WHY can't we just get a console game similar to Sonic Rush. Its 3d used in a 2-d way. There can be tunnels or something where the camera switches to 3-d ala Sonic and the Secret Rings but then it would go back to 2-d. WHY DO WE HAVE TO KEEP REHASHING SONIC IN 3D WHEN HE WORKS BEST IN THE 2nd DIMENSION~!

Kairon · « **Reply #18 on:** January 04, 2007, 12:08:05 PM »

I imagine a 3D sonic to be like Kirby's Air Ride...

~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com

Viewtiful mario · « **Reply #19 on:** January 04, 2007, 12:22:34 PM »

Ian, everything you stated in you post is what this next Sonic game is suppose to have, your running fast the whole time and i heard there are going to be forked paths.

SixthAngel · « **Reply #20 on:** January 04, 2007, 02:33:05 PM »

Everyone is always way too harsh on Sonic adventure. You brought up gamerankings for this title and adventure got an 88% yet everybody here rags on it all the time. Probably the old rivalry boiling up. It did work in 3d and if they didn't decide to make those stupid knuckles and bat girl levels in the second one I think a lot of the complaining would go away.

Smash_Brother · « **Reply #21 on:** January 04, 2007, 02:51:04 PM »

Like I said, I liked SA 1&2, though I admit the camera was pretty awful.

All the Sonic games since then have had such horrible reviews that I've never tried them, and I've had a friend who bought STH on 360 return it in a fit of rage.

SixthAngel · « **Reply #22 on:** January 04, 2007, 02:57:10 PM »

What other Sonic games have come out? I ignored shadow and I don't know of the others after adventure 2. I'm looking forward to secret of the rings too but all the talk of Sonic team being made of different people then it used to be as well as the huge changes in Sega scares me.

Smash_Brother · « **Reply #23 on:** January 04, 2007, 03:00:08 PM »

Sonic Heroes, Shadow, and now STH for 360 and PS3.

Also, is it true that Yuji Naka left Sonic Team? I've heard that a few times but never confirmed it...

segagamer12 · « **Reply #24 on:** January 04, 2007, 03:07:35 PM »

Yes it is true, they had an announcement on Sega awhile ago.

I have all the sonic games for all systems and I love everyone of them. i even enjoyed 3d Blast (on Saturn not Genny)

I don't get what people hate about them, you have Sonic, you run like hell, you get to explore and the story is pretty cool. I never got Shadow yet, I asked for it for Christmas last year and got Rush on DS and POP WW instead, RUSH was good for the most part, but not good enoug my GC died that holiday season. At elast Gems came out and revived it for a little while.

Anywyas I just like Sonic, mostly cuz i liked the old games, the comics and the cartoons, he stil maintains his attitude in all the new games, and they match the new cartoons too so Its all good for me. I will still get the 360 one also once I geta 360.

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