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RE:Factor 5's "Lair". Holy crap.
« Reply #100 on: August 03, 2007, 10:12:36 AM »
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EGM reviewed Lair, scores are 6.0 (Crispin), 5.5 ( G. Ford), 5.0 (Garnett).


I hope that gets posted on Slashdot, I wanna see that PS3 troll AC try justify that one!


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RE: Factor 5's "Lair". Holy crap.
« Reply #101 on: August 03, 2007, 05:37:07 PM »
Holy crap, indeed...
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RE:Factor 5's "Lair". Holy crap.
« Reply #102 on: August 03, 2007, 09:04:16 PM »
They didn't get the bad scores because of expectations.  They met my expectations exactly.

What did Factor 5 screw up in RS 3?  On foot.   The engine that managed the third person ground pounding would have been deemed cumbersome on a late N64 game.

In every Lair preview the presence of a lot of time on foot movement was noted.  Given Factor 5's recent history of really messing up a game by putting a lot of stuff on foot, I expected them to do the same here.  After reading the reviews that's exactly what they did.

On top of that, the reviewers claimed the SIXAXIS did not help the gameplay, and in some cases made it less intuitive and fun.  Shoehorned, is how I'd sum it up in a word.

The game got a bad review for bad controls.  This time, however, Factor 5 managed to break the airborne stuff (to a lesser extent) too.

It should be noted that PLAY magazine gave the game a 9, but they also have a prodcut called "PLAY Magazine Presents: Girls of Gaming," that is listed early on their "about us."  Take that how you will.

GamePro gave it a 3.75/5 (75%).
"To be fair, the motion sensing is pretty accurate but requiring you to constantly move your hands around while fiddling with buttons over the course of a fairly long game is asking too much."  They also used the dreaded "g-word."  
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RE:Factor 5's "Lair". Holy crap.
« Reply #103 on: August 03, 2007, 09:18:52 PM »
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They didn't get the bad scores because of expectations.  They met my expectations exactly.

What did Factor 5 screw up in RS 3?  On foot.   The engine that managed the third person ground pounding would have been deemed cumbersome on a late N64 game.

In every Lair preview the presence of a lot of time on foot movement was noted.  Given Factor 5's recent history of really messing up a game by putting a lot of stuff on foot, I expected them to do the same here.  After reading the reviews that's exactly what they did.

On top of that, the reviewers claimed the SIXAXIS did not help the gameplay, and in some cases made it less intuitive and fun.  Shoehorned, is how I'd sum it up in a word.

The game got a bad review for bad controls.  This time, however, Factor 5 managed to break the airborne stuff (to a lesser extent) too.

It should be noted that PLAY magazine gave the game a 9, but they also have a prodcut called "PLAY Magazine Presents: Girls of Gaming," that is listed early on their "about us."  Take that how you will.

GamePro gave it a 3.75/5 (75%).
"To be fair, the motion sensing is pretty accurate but requiring you to constantly move your hands around while fiddling with buttons over the course of a fairly long game is asking too much."  They also used the dreaded "g-word."


Didn't Play magazine give Sonic the hedgehog for 360/PS3 a 9?
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RE:Factor 5's "Lair". Holy crap.
« Reply #104 on: August 04, 2007, 04:36:15 AM »
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Didn't Play magazine give Sonic the hedgehog for 360/PS3 a 9?


8.5.... still good enough to ignore what they say.
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RE:Factor 5's "Lair". Holy crap.
« Reply #105 on: August 10, 2007, 03:18:13 AM »
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They also used the dreaded "g-word."


What's the dreaded G word?

I've come up with possible answers:

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« Reply #106 on: August 31, 2007, 05:52:10 AM »
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Rare's game quality slipped starting with Star Fox.
I'd say quite a bit earlier than that..


Yeah. DK64.

But regarding IGN's Lair review... for some reason the things the reviewer specifically mentioned didn't seem to be evident in the videos IGN posted. I'm not saying I don't believe him, I'm just saying I wish the toro video actually showed exactly what he was referring to so I could get a better idea about what exactly went wrong with the game.
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« Reply #107 on: August 31, 2007, 06:34:05 AM »
4.9 4.9 4.9 4.9 4.9 4.9

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RE:Factor 5's "Lair". Holy crap.
« Reply #108 on: August 31, 2007, 07:11:58 AM »
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Rare's game quality slipped starting with Star Fox.
I'd say quite a bit earlier than that..


Yeah. DK64.

But regarding IGN's Lair review... for some reason the things the reviewer specifically mentioned didn't seem to be evident in the videos IGN posted. I'm not saying I don't believe him, I'm just saying I wish the toro video actually showed exactly what he was referring to so I could get a better idea about what exactly went wrong with the game.


Well all you need to know is that IGN wasn't the only one to give it a low score.
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RE:Factor 5's "Lair". Holy crap.
« Reply #109 on: August 31, 2007, 05:16:48 PM »
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But regarding IGN's Lair review... for some reason the things the reviewer specifically mentioned didn't seem to be evident in the videos IGN posted.


From what I read on IGN, the video review specifically shows what they negatively wrote about this game, I don't know if that's true or not because I have yet to watch the video review.
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RE:Factor 5's "Lair". Holy crap.
« Reply #110 on: September 01, 2007, 10:14:05 AM »
Gee, I really need to play this game to find out just how bad a control scheme it takes to take a game make IGN rate this game a 4.9 even though they are so willing to praise so many other aspects of it.
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« Reply #111 on: September 01, 2007, 02:02:16 PM »
I guess judging by IGN's review Lair isn't such a Factor Five </end bad pun>
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RE:Factor 5's "Lair". Holy crap.
« Reply #112 on: September 01, 2007, 07:54:48 PM »
I may still check the game out, it sounds like the controls are workable but only in wide open spaces it is when you need pinpoint accuracy that you feel like throwing your joystick out the window. Then again I am not thrilled with tilt controls in games, especially ones that require precision flying like Lair, which makes me happy that they made that optional in Warhawk.
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« Reply #113 on: September 01, 2007, 08:15:12 PM »
I've heard you can plug in a generic USB gamepad into the PS3 and that using that vastly improves Lair...
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RE:Factor 5's "Lair". Holy crap.
« Reply #114 on: September 01, 2007, 08:16:39 PM »
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I've heard you can plug in a generic USB gamepad into the PS3 and that using that vastly improves Lair...


Lol, didn't hear that.  Sony better hope that Heavenly Sword gets super positive reaction from most critics, or they are pretty much done this season, unless Ratchet and Clank turns out to be a hot must have title.
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RE: Factor 5's "Lair". Holy crap.
« Reply #115 on: September 01, 2007, 08:31:51 PM »
Uncharted! Don't forget that too!
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« Reply #116 on: September 01, 2007, 08:33:37 PM »
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Uncharted! Don't forget that too!


I think Uncharted is the perfect name, because the game will go unnoticed and will not be found by the majority of PS3 owners or potential PS3 owners.
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RE: Factor 5's "Lair". Holy crap.
« Reply #117 on: September 02, 2007, 12:37:59 PM »
My friend got Lair, he doesn't understand why IGN complained about the controls, he said he's having fun so far, his only complaint was the lack of a map (enemy map I suppose) because he keeps on flaming his own troops too many times, and it also makes it harder for him to know where he has to go.  
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« Reply #118 on: September 02, 2007, 12:41:36 PM »
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My friend got Lair, he doesn't understand why IGN complained about the controls, he said he's having fun so far, his only complaint was the lack of a map (enemy map I suppose) because he keeps on flaming his own troops too many times, and it also makes it harder for him to know where he has to go.


IGN's complaints (along with others) is that it becomes frustrating when you get the precision parts within the game.
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RE: Factor 5's "Lair". Holy crap.
« Reply #119 on: September 02, 2007, 12:45:22 PM »
He's playing it on a SDTV, I think he has to be even more precise, no? because of the lack of definition LOL
I will ask him if he had any problems with the controls in tight spots anyway, when I see him online that is.
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« Reply #120 on: September 03, 2007, 03:16:40 AM »
I guess we were all wrong when we kept saying GOSH FACTOR FIVE, CAN'T YOU MAKE ANYTHING BESIDES STAR WARS GAMES???
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RE:Factor 5's "Lair". Holy crap.
« Reply #121 on: September 04, 2007, 09:56:45 PM »
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EGM reviewed Lair, scores are 6.0 (Crispin), 5.5 ( G. Ford), 5.0 (Garnett).


I hope that gets posted on Slashdot, I wanna see that PS3 troll AC try justify that one!


I hope I'm a mod that day.  I'll have to mod that Funny.


Well, a discussion about it happened now. Know what the trolls said? "It has 1080p, 25GB game data and motion controls!" Then they proceeded calling everyone who mentioned a review a fanboy for another system and claimed PSM was infiltrated by MS.
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« Reply #122 on: September 05, 2007, 04:41:08 AM »
That is hilarious and entirely in keeping with what I expected to see.  The game data takes up 25 gigabytes, so it has to be good!  Sadly, I did not wind up with mod points today.
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« Reply #123 on: September 05, 2007, 08:28:13 AM »
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Well, a discussion about it happened now. Know what the trolls said? "It has 1080p, 25GB game data and motion controls!"

Yeah, 25 GB of PHAIL!!
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RE:Factor 5's "Lair". Holy crap.
« Reply #124 on: September 05, 2007, 11:42:30 AM »
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Well, a discussion about it happened now. Know what the trolls said? "It has 1080p, 25GB game data and motion controls!"

Yeah, 25 GB of PHAIL!!


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