Topic: Mature Titles doesnt always mean Violent !

[stmarco]

When some people are asking for mature games, they are not always talking about violent games (or 18+ games)... maybe we should use adult games (or older teens) instead of mature... we got hyper violent games on gamecube with RE but it doesnt work.... but we dont have Gran Turismo or Project Gotham 2 or any good racing simulation (not arcade)... yes, F-Zero is a good game but i don't like the concept.... i bought the Playstation 1 for DRIVING GAMES and SPORTS GAMES when i was younger (whichs adult now normally like and are buying Xbox and PS2)... i bought gamcube at lauch over the other two because of the price and i was thinking that Nintendo wont do the same errors.. but i was wrong.... im still happy with it because i have some good games like Sega NHL2003, FIFA (sega sports left gamecube), SSX3  and not alot of time to play.... yes, Zelda and Metroid Prime are good games but, like a lot of people, they are worth a rent or two for me.... Racing games and Sports games can be played for 50hours+ if you like the game....  anyway, i think this is where a lot of people are mislead when talking about Mature Games.... and the majority of my friends of family member (im 24), bought a xbox or ps2 to play racing games.... the other day, my uncle said to my little cousin (6years) that xbox was for adult and gamecube for children after i game a Rally (xbox) game to my dad... he was aking why he had a gamecube and not a xbox.... im a true gamer and i want to types of game... when i was young, i played Driving games on the computer, flight simulation (combat),hockey games... i didnt even bought a 1party title for my super nes.... and i wont buy a nintendo console next time....

[KDR_11k]

Sega left because their sport games didn't sell. EA was about to leave. Apparently few bought the GC for playing sports games, which also explains the lack of these titles. I certainly don't add to the sports sales, I hate sports games since my time with the C64 (which I got at the age of 7, IIRC). I think you'll find a lot of people with a similar mindset here, we seem to make up the majority of Cube buyers.

Most people mean mature as in "rated mature". That's the sad truth. They don't want games that appeal to mature people, but they want violent games that make them seem mature. If that sounds unbelievably stupid, well it is, but so is mankind. I have no faith in a civilization that worships "stars" created by casting shows.

[The Omen]

The problem with the 'mature' tag is people who mention it the most do mean violence.  Usually being someone under 15 just trying to be cool.  As for sports games, i have enough on GC not to care.  I really dont care for racing sims, but if i really needed one, i could always get it for my PC.  I mean, obviously you have a PC, so whats the problem?

[stmarco]

My PC is a Celeron400... So it is now useless... I know that a lot of cube owners dont like racing sim and even sports game and don't care for the lack of those titles.... but dont ask yourself why the cube is consider kiddie... not that mario is kiddy because i think it's fun... but nintendo offer a certain type of product to a certain type of consumer... and those who dont like it have to buy another console... this is the big problem.....  On the ps2 and Xbox, you have sports, you have kiddie, you have fun adventure, you have driving, violence, etc etc  so everybody is happy...  yes if you have a good computer, you can play a lot of those games and buy the cube for nintendo AAA games.... but if you dont have that good computer.... ? And since the cube owner just buy the nintendo titles, 3rd party went away.... and a lot of people too... cube is a good system and i like it.... but man, i wish that i have a xbox instead sometimes... just to play Rainbow Six, RallySports Challenge, Project Gotham 2 or GTA.....

[SearanoX]

You're in luck.  Rainbow Six 3 is coming to the 'Cube later this year.  

I'm not really into sports games.  They're okay, I guess, but I certainly would have something else over one.  Many 'Cube owners feel the same about this.  They buy a 'Cube to play Mario, Zelda, and Metroid, not NHL, FIFA, and NASCAR.  That would account for the low sport game sales on Nintendo's console.  They've never really sold all that well since the N64, anyway.

As for the whole "Mature" image, well...Nintendo doesn't have as many M-rated games as the others, but they also know that blood does not make a game.  I find a game like Mario to be more mature than a game like Devil May Cry.  Why?  Because it takes a mature person to realize that blood doesn't make a game, and that gameplay does.  It also takes a mature person to get past the whole "kiddy" image that Nintendo has been branded with (but is slowly losing).  

[The Omen]

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My PC is a Celeron400... So it is now useless

Yeah, i guess youre right about that.

You could go the PS2 route.  Pick up a used PS2 for $40 .

[Cap]

this is kind of interesting, becouse i've always thought the "mature" rating should be called something else. the problem with the rating is that if the games with the rating are "mature", ignorant and stupid people assume that all other games must be "immature". I think something like the restricted rating for movies would have been a better choice.

of course the "mature" rating has nothing to do with sports or racing titles. most that i've seen are always rated "e" or "t".  i dont know what can be done about those types of games for the gamecube. I dont play or buy them like i imagine a lot of people here dont. maybe nintendo should make some of their own?  

[DrZoidberg]

the ESRB (or what ever it's called) should do away with it's current system and in it's place implement a different rating system, that actually tells you a brief summery of the game content, so like if it's a racing game it gets an 'R' sports 'S' violent 'V' action 'A' etc, and any combination, so like 'V/A' violent action game, like Resident Evil or what ever.

oh and I think nintendo was trying to get more sports games on the cube, what with the whole deal with EA and all

[SearanoX]

They have a label on the back of the box that gives a content description, Zoidberg.  It gives a description of things...though sometimes they mess it up, like seen in Halo PC.  It's rated 'M' for Blood and Gore (redundant) and Violence, but it also has "Foul Language".

[thecubedcanuck]

"Many 'Cube owners feel the same about this. They buy a 'Cube to play Mario, Zelda, and Metroid, not NHL, FIFA, and NASCAR."

Why cant we have the best of both, and thus appeal to everyone. NIN will never touch Sony untill they can do this.

[stmarco]

thecubedcanuck understand perfectly what i said....

it is ok not too like sports game and racing game but if nintendo doesnt offer this popular genre to alot of mature gamers (im not talking about the rating), then a majority will look elsewhere....  the recent boost in cube sale in due to the price cut so the parents can buy this toy for their children for xmas....  but the cube just need one absolute game to please alot of adult gamers... Gran Turismo sold PS1 and sold PS2 at the beginning before GTA.... Cars lovers dreamed to play this game when they saw the add.... but no game for the cube was impressime for the mass... Metroid Prime is impressive when you play with it but it doesnt make people by a cube... why ? yes, they could buy a cube to play Metroid Prime and Zelda but if they want a driving game (simulation) nothing... or they could buy a xbox with Halo and Projet Gotham 2 and have a bit of both genre... or a PS2 with Gran Turismo and GTA... Nintendo has to offer a full spectrum of games (by the mean of 3rd party) to plz everyone.... if not, they continue to make money but for how long... i dont want nintendo to go the route of sega... maybe the next nintendo console wont sell...

[CaseyRyback]

Maybe we could get a port of SEGA GT online from WOW. From what I played 2002 is amazing and a really fun racing game.

I agree through, I would like a good racing game for the Gamecube and not a NFS game but something like GT.  

[CaseyRyback]

Rainbow SIx 3 is not any fun without online multiplayer

[SearanoX]

There's a good chance Ubi will include online multiplayer, seeing as how they're going to in Splinter Cell: Pandora Tomorrow.

[NinGurl69 *huggles]

We can't have the "best of both" because Nintendo is not the market leader and there's too many people 'like me' who WILL NOT buy "both."  The only "sports" titles I've ever bought were the unconventional kinds from Sega & Nintendo like Beach Spikers and Mario Tennis.

If "Rainbow Six 3 is not any fun without online multiplayer" then Ubi Soft must be doing something wrong with the franchise cuz I had loads of fun planning team strategies in single-player in the original Rainbow Six and Rogue Spear series.  The fact some planning features got butchered from Raven Shield despite the nice "unreal super duper engine" graphics upgrade upset me.

[mouse_clicker]

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Why cant we have the best of both, and thus appeal to everyone. NIN will never touch Sony untill they can do this.

It's not as easy as Nintendo just going out and "getting" these games- the simple fact of the matter is almost all Nintendo fans don't like sports games, and since one rarely buys a Gamecube unless they're a Nintendo fan, sports gamesjust won't sell well on the Gamecube. I'm sure Nintendo would love to have big name sports games on the Gamecube, but Nintendo isn't the one that decides that, and until sufficient support is shown for those games, publishers won't make Gamecube versions. Basically, as long as the PS2 is around all of their games sell so well on it, publishers will continue to ignore the Gamecube because.  

Professional 666 pretty said exactly what I'm trying to.

[The Omen]

I see no problem with the GC having EA sports only.  That more than fulfills my needs.  I do understand that having alternative choices is appealing to the casual gamer, in fact i've stated that exact sentence over 100 times on these very forums.  However, i don't give a F if the casual gamer buys the GC.  If Nin is doing solid financially, i have no worries.  Bottom line-in a perfect setting it would behoove Nintendo to have every single game released.  But seeing as theres much more that goes into acquiring these games, such as bias, market share and market forecasts,  i feel they're fine now, and moving towards excellent.  Nintendo did keep EA sports from bolting, so i assume they may do the same thing next generation with more 3rd parties.

[Polemistis]

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Originally posted by: stmarco
........cube is a good system and i like it.... but man, i wish that i have a xbox instead sometimes... just to play Rainbow Six, RallySports Challenge, Project Gotham 2 or GTA.....

To replace GTA, get True Crime: Streets of LA, its a sweet game.

[Pikkcuber]

Correct me if im wrong but dont we already have an Adult rating.  Though i think its rarely given out. Why does it matter what its called anyway?

[Ncubeboy45]

yah, also the sports games arnt as good on the cube. the controles are all chopped up, i have a much more fun time playin Madden on my PS2 than my Gamecube. I also agree, mature does not mean alot of blood!  

[WesDawg]

Just curious, this guy seemed to like racing games. I don't play 'em to much. How does the racing genre stand up on the Cube? I know we've got NFS and that Auto Modelista thing from Sega, but is there anything even close to GT for us? That seems like a market that would sell well on the Cube, especially if it was done well. I know there are a ton of racing games for it. You may just have to rent around to find one you like. I doubt that theres nothing.

As for sports... well there's plenty of Sports games on the Cube. It seems like all the top rated ones are still available. I don't play 'em either though, so I don't really know. The rumer that they sell bad is a bit of misnomer I think. I remember looking at Midway's financial report right after they pulled support and while GCs sales were the lowest that particular year, they'd been heads and tales about XBox the previous year. I think Cube owners just aren't fond of rebuying the same game every year as much as other consoles owners are.

As for your uncle, tell him that he's wrong. Nintendo's was making the greatest games and the greatest consoles long before Microsoft entered the scene, and its a awesome console for someone who loves games. Your whole section there is a little incoherent, but if he said its for kids its cause he's either uniformed or dimwitted. It's mostly media hype, and he's apparently bought into it. There are plenty of older people who own Cubes. Probably more than their are kids, given the lack of Pokemon games for it. Nintendo has a huge fanbase that was raised up with the NES and SNES. They buy Nintendo consoles to play Mario and Zelda and FZero and StarFox etc. If he wants to insult all of them and call 'em kiddy... well that just pisses me off.

[DrZoidberg]

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and that Auto Modelista thing from Sega

capcom actually, we also have burnout 1 and 2, but nothing really 'realistic'

[nionlights]

The current rating system is ridiculous-what is the point of a rating system which the majority of parents do not understand?  There is/was absolutely no reason why the "ESRB" couldn't just adopt the MPAA rating system (G, PG, PG-13, etc); no fuss, no crazy ratings that aren't ever used, just plain, simple movie-style ratings.  Oh, and here's my (only) problem with Nintendo, or, rather, the state of video games today-10 years ago, or whenever it was, when i fell in love with the Super Nintendo, there was no question that it had ALL the games.  You want sports games?  SNES had plenty.  You want "x" type of game from "x" developer?  SNES had them all.  Nowadays, I have to hold my breath, cross my fingers in the hopes that a good 3rd-party game that I've just heard about will get to the Cube.  It's not a pleasant feeling...

[Mario]

Its funny how lots of kids and teenagers call the games they play "adult" games. Actually that's not funny, its sad.

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How does the racing genre stand up on the Cube?

Well, as far as racers go, the GCN has a great selection. Wave Race: Blue Storm, F-Zero GX, Kirby Air Ride, Mario Kart: Double Dash!!, Burnout, Burnout 2, R Racing, Need for Speed, and more that im probably forgetting. But if its realistic racers that look "fully mad bro" that you're after, then look elsewhere. Personally, i prefer Wave Race, F-Zero and Mario Kart to Gran Turismo and Project Gotham Racing, oh well. Also, in my opinion, when Mario Tennis hits the cube, GameCube will have the best sports lineup ever.

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im a true gamer
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i didnt even bought a 1party title for my super nes

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[Ian Sane]

"the simple fact of the matter is almost all Nintendo fans don't like sports games, and since one rarely buys a Gamecube unless they're a Nintendo fan, sports gamesjust won't sell well on the Gamecube."

The reason Nintendo fans don't play sports games is because Nintendo has never "trained" their fans to like that sort of game or really any sort of simulation style game.  A way to fix this is for Nintendo themselves to make their own sports line.  I think a fair amount of us who aren't normally interested in sports titles would at least rent a sports game if Nintendo was behind it and it got good reviews.  I would certainly try out a Nintendo hockey title.

Of course then the question of why Nintendo should try to encourage the sales of a type of game they wouldn't normally make comes up.  If Nintendo fans aren't buying sports games and Nintendo doesn't make sports games why should they care?  Well they should care because sports games are very popular and in order to be taken seriously in today's market you need a strong sports lineup.  Sony has one and MS is working on one (they have NFL Fever for example).  A strong exclusive sports lineup will show that Nintendo is a serious force in the industry.  Plus by encouraging the sales of sports games they'll have an easier time convincing EA and Sega to support their console which results in better third party support which results in better console sales which results in better game sales.

The big problem with the N64 was that it didn't have enough variety or had all the genres well covered.  While an improvement the Gamecube still has that problem and creating a strong sports line would help Nintendo fill in the cracks in their library.  They should also make more mature titles and RPGs for the same reason and ADVERTISE them instead of releasing them out there without any promotion and then acting all shocked when they sell like crap.