Author Topic: first FFXII images (Read 15034 times)

rpglover · « **on:** November 13, 2003, 03:43:03 AM »

http://www2u.biglobe.ne.jp/~nanko/news.cgi?id=2003111323

it has the first images of the game shown there- looks kinda wierd to me- and those main characters do look familiar
but i do not know the validity of these shots- they could be real, but who knows

Bill Aurion · « **Reply #1 on:** November 13, 2003, 03:48:46 AM »

-_____-''

I can't tell if that's an updated Yuna and Rikku, or new characters in which Square put in no effort in character design...If they ARE an updated Yuna and Rikku, I officially hate Square...

rpglover · « **Reply #2 on:** November 13, 2003, 03:53:48 AM »

well bill you got my drift- it looks like a younger yuna and tidus to me-
i have very high expectations for this game even so- Yasumi Matsuno is under the game, and the games he has made (final fantasy tactics, vagrant story) are very good games- i will save more judgement when the story is provided and detales of the battle system are out- i hope it is a good game

Bill Aurion · « **Reply #3 on:** November 13, 2003, 03:58:34 AM »

Hahaha! Ok, I thought the blond character was a girl because I only looked at the screenshot that showed only the upper body...^_^''

If this truely is a "prequel," why doesn't Square just call it FFX-0?

Only Square would take their worst game and make a spinoff(s) off it...

Pale · « **Reply #4 on:** November 13, 2003, 04:07:36 AM »

Eesh....and i was hoping for chibi style FFIX-esque character design... =/

Koopa Troopa · « **Reply #5 on:** November 13, 2003, 07:21:40 AM »

Man... this is so dissapointing

I was looking for FFIX type character design, with some kick butt FFT battling. I know it is still premature to be dissapointed, but I can't help it.

::weeps::

seven_chaos · « **Reply #6 on:** November 13, 2003, 08:54:27 AM »

FFT battling would only be found in FFT. Anywho, the character design is dissapointing but I'm still stoked.

Bill Aurion · « **Reply #7 on:** November 13, 2003, 09:27:14 AM »

It may seem strange to some, but character design is incredibly important in selling me to an RPG...That way, I can actually care for the characters...*points at Golden Sun, FFVII, and Tales*

seven_chaos · « **Reply #8 on:** November 13, 2003, 02:12:50 PM »

In one of the pictures off of www.the-magicbox.com, the one of Van, there is a creature to the right of him. Looks just like one of the races from Tactics Advance.

rpglover · « **Reply #9 on:** November 13, 2003, 04:03:24 PM »

"It may seem strange to some, but character design is incredibly important in selling me to an RPG"

yeah that is important to me also- the characters in vagrant story were very well designed- that was actually what got me into that game for the first time- i loved the look of the characters and the art style- and once i started playing it, vagrant story became one of my favorite rpgs of all time- the story was great and the battle system is great too

another example is valkyrie profile- its art brought me to the game (that and the fact it was made by tri-ace) and once i got into that game, i found one of the best battle systems ever and great story and music

seeing the character design to FFXII is a little odd- but i will reserve more judgement until later- i would like to see story and battle system detales- i personally hope it turns out good as i love Matsuno's work

Koopa Troopa · « **Reply #10 on:** November 13, 2003, 06:48:52 PM »

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FFT battling would only be found in FFT.

If Square can make FFXI an MMORPG, then I think a Tactics battle system is more than plausible.

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In one of the pictures off of www.the-magicbox.com, the one of Van, there is a creature to the right of him. Looks just like one of the races from Tactics Advance.

Yeah, I also saw that. It was my least favorite race in FFTA; another strike for FFXII

Grey Ninja · « **Reply #11 on:** November 13, 2003, 07:46:46 PM »

I am officially dissapointed

thecubedcanuck · « **Reply #12 on:** November 14, 2003, 01:41:07 AM »

all you people bitching about the character design.
Arent you the same people that freaked out when people complained about the Zelda design?
Didnt you say its all about gameplay, the look doesnt matter?

Hmmmmm

Bill Aurion · « **Reply #13 on:** November 14, 2003, 02:04:44 AM »

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Originally posted by: Grey Ninja
I am officially dissapointed

*sadly nods head*

And as I said before, character design is key to my buying an RPG...For me, the game won't be fun if I don't care about the characters...I want some creative character design, not Yuna-lookalike...

Deguello · « **Reply #14 on:** November 14, 2003, 03:18:30 AM »

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Originally posted by: thecubedcanuck
all you people bitching about the character design.
Arent you the same people that freaked out when people complained about the Zelda design?
Didnt you say its all about gameplay, the look doesnt matter?

Hmmmmm

You are probably not going to like my answer. Lotsa people who do like RPGs usually don't like me because I point out a disturbing truth. The reason character design is important to RPGs and RPGs ALONE is that besides that and music and story, there really is not much IN an RPG gameplay wise. The reason any ridicule of Zelda's Cel-shaded look is absurd is because it doesn't matter much what Link looks like. In the first games he was a grubby bunch of pixels, and the art for it was... exactly the way he looks in Wind Waker (albiet with some auburn hair). It was the GAME that was cool in Zelda, and it's still cool now, even with the annoyingly long ship travels (nobody seemed to complain about Driving long Distances in GTA or True Crime </rant>)

However in RPGs since the GAME element is somewhat lacking (excluding of course, One like Paper Mario, Tales of Symphonia, and Secret of Mana because SHOCK HORROR you might actually have to press a few buttons in anger and desperation) the production value associated with it is totally placed upon Character design and story telling. The ones here look like alternate designs for those two in FF Ten. Ever noticed that chick from FF8 seems to be the basis for every FF heroine ever? It's interesting, because FFXII is supposed to have a lot of funding and be the game they concentrate most on, yet the art for it looks horribly bland, and the character designs in FF:CC look a lot better and that's a game they didn't really have to put any effort into.

Agree if you want to, Disagree if you wish, Flame if you must, but it is just the opinion of somebody who has played a shitload of RPGs and generally got tired of them.

Grey Ninja · « **Reply #15 on:** November 14, 2003, 05:05:00 AM »

Well, with me, it's simply that I want Final Fantasy X to just go away, and it doesn't look like that is happening now. I want a NEW game, and not yet another rehash of the same thing.

thecubedcanuck · « **Reply #16 on:** November 14, 2003, 05:37:33 AM »

" I want a NEW game, and not yet another rehash of the same thing. "

but a lot of NIN games do the same thing, I am sure Mario Kart DD will be a dolled up rehash of MK64, yet it will still be fun I would think.

I just dont understand the double standard many here apply. If NIN does it, its perfectly fine, but for anyone else it is pure crap.

Deguello, I understand what you are saying, but in reality, the appearance of ANY game can affect ones enjoyment of it.
I personally dont like animated shows (the simpsons, king of the hill and south parks being the only exceptions), I dont know why, but cartoons just dont do it for me, I just cant seem to like them, even as a kid I didnt like them. The same for games, I love the appearance of MP and ED, but I cant stand the look of WW., and yes it does affect my wantingness to play the game.

Just my opinion.

Koopa Troopa · « **Reply #17 on:** November 14, 2003, 07:47:41 AM »

Mr. Canuck,

You do have a semi-valid argument here. I guess my feelings are close to those of Grey Ninja. WW was laying new ground work, and therefore deserved the benefit of the doubt. FFX is a different animal, I didn't like it when I saw it, but I gave it a chance(Yup, I loyally purchased it, just as I did all its predecessors), turns out is wasn't much fun to play either. And now it seems as though Square is going to be sticking to the FFX formulae! It is quite a let down, and since they're not changing anything they're not eligible for the same benefit WW was. I gave FFX the benefit despite its depressing resemblance to FFVIII, but I won't be doing the same thing a second or third time around.

No one here is saying, "FFXII suxors!!!1", but we're not impressed yet.

thecubedcanuck · « **Reply #18 on:** November 14, 2003, 07:59:18 AM »

"I gave FFX the benefit despite its depressing resemblance to FFVIII, but I won't be doing the same thing a second or third time around. "

understood, that is the same reason I wont buy a ww2 with cell shaded graphics. Good point.

Koopa Troopa · « **Reply #19 on:** November 14, 2003, 08:20:46 AM »

Actually, re-reading that, it didn't come across the way I meant... I'm not ruling out X-2 or XII because of their graphics. As it stands, I've judged them on their similarity to FFX. Right now I assume FFXII will be in the same vein as FFX, and that is why I'm disappointed. My final judgement will not be based on something as superficial as graphics. What I was trying to say, and you obviously misinterpreted it, is that I'm not going to assume, or hope that FFXII is going to be fun, how can I when it so closely resembles a game I hate? A game I hate NOT because of its graphics, but because it is boring in just about every facet. However, just as in the past, I will still give each game a fair chance to change my mind.

thecubedcanuck · « **Reply #20 on:** November 14, 2003, 08:55:38 AM »

"but because it is boring in just about every facet."

Another reason for what I said as well.

I did understand what you said for the most part. I should have been more clear myself as it was not the Zelda graphics that turned me off as much as it was the whole visual style of which the graphics played a signifigant part.

Deguello · « **Reply #21 on:** November 14, 2003, 11:58:28 AM »

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Originally posted by: thecubedcanuck

Deguello, I understand what you are saying, but in reality, the appearance of ANY game can affect ones enjoyment of it.
I personally dont like animated shows (the simpsons, king of the hill and south parks being the only exceptions), I dont know why, but cartoons just dont do it for me, I just cant seem to like them, even as a kid I didnt like them. The same for games, I love the appearance of MP and ED, but I cant stand the look of WW., and yes it does affect my wantingness to play the game.

Just my opinion.

I am not one to say graphics are immaterial, however, being convinced not to enjoy a game based upon graphics is a bit superficial. By that I mean, REALLY superficial. If Wind Waker's graphics were hellishly bad, like GTA 3 looking with framerate hanging around 20 fps, you might be a little justified, but Wind Wakers gfx are gorgeous, whether you like them or not. If is as if you went into an art gallery, looked at George Seurat's "A Sunday Afternoon on the Island of La Grande Jatte" and said, "I cannot stand this painting. It is bad," while the painter himself and a mass of art aficianadoes, regular joes, and other esteemed painters in the same field stare at you with a quizzical look, becuase you revealed more about yourself than you did about Seurat's ability as an artist.

And besides, there's a game there too. And the game looks a lot like The art drawn for the previous Zelda's, meaning, more or less, it always looked like that.

Oldskool · « **Reply #22 on:** November 14, 2003, 12:35:53 PM »

Jeez, how many FF games and other FF things are square-enix making at one time now? Let's see... FF:X-2, FF:CC, FF:XII, international XI, and the sequal to FFVII (in movie form). Wow...

KDR_11k · « **Reply #23 on:** November 14, 2003, 11:26:44 PM »

On my list FF12 is filed under "don't care". When they release it on PC, I might look at it.

thecubedcanuck · « **Reply #24 on:** November 15, 2003, 02:30:26 AM »

"I am not one to say graphics are immaterial, however, being convinced not to enjoy a game based upon graphics is a bit superficial. By that I mean, REALLY superficial. If Wind Waker's graphics were hellishly bad, like GTA 3 looking with framerate hanging around 20 fps, you might be a little justified, but Wind Wakers gfx are gorgeous, whether you like them or not. If is as if you went into an art gallery, looked at George Seurat's "A Sunday Afternoon on the Island of La Grande Jatte" and said, "I cannot stand this painting. It is bad," while the painter himself and a mass of art aficianadoes, regular joes, and other esteemed painters in the same field stare at you with a quizzical look,becuase you revealed more about yourself than you did about Seurat's ability as an artist."

I think the example you are trying to use is way off base, you are comparing apples and oranges here, hell you are comparing apples and steam boats. My beef with WW is many things. When I say graphics, I mean more than just the look, I mean the way the look is presented. WW is presented to me like a true animated cartoon, and yes, I cant stand that look. I said it earlier, and was quite clear that cartoons in general have never appealed to me, even as a child. To say they are gorgeous is a matter of opinion and taste, art, food and women can be both ugly or beautiful depending on whos eyes you look at them through. The game itself I found over sipmlified and boring, I honestly for the life dont understand what anyone sees in it, but again, that is their perogitive. As for framerate, it doesnt bother me as much as presentation, I would prefer a solid 60FPS but I can live with a few slowdowns (as long as they are not as bad as True Crime). I loved the atmosphere in MP, the grahics and atmosphere appealed to me, same for ED.
Back to the painting you mention. Again art is one of the most subjective subjects you will ever come accross. What is wrong with someone not liking it even though everyone else does? It just may not suit their eye, they may just not like it. Picasso is an estemed artist, cherished even by some, I think his work is crap. To judge someone based on what they like or dislike in Art, Video or women reveals more about your character then theirs. If we all like the same things we wouldnt need opinions would we?

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