Author Topic: first FFXII images (Read 15041 times)

GoldShadow1 · « **Reply #25 on:** November 15, 2003, 06:12:00 AM »

So why do you all hate FFX anyway? I haven't played it, but reviewers seem to love i(91% on Gamerankings.com). Then again, they loved FFIX as well (a game I hated with all of my being - that is, except for the card game)

Deguello · « **Reply #26 on:** November 15, 2003, 10:35:20 PM »

Actually, My example is right on target. Georges Seurat's "A Sunday Afternoon on the Island of La Grande Jatte" introduced a new way to convey art, with Seurat's idea of pointilism to use two dots of a basic color close together, so that up close the painting looks like a bunch of random dots, but when you step back, the points meld with your eye to create a picture. It is a technical achievement , period. Wind Waker is the same way. Cel-shading existed before, but before Wind Waker, the only things that got cel-shaded were just characters and some Items. Wind Waker is and entirely Cel-shaded WORLD. And a stunning technical achievement too. Your opinion on whether or not it appeals to you is at best trivial. Wind Waker does not need your permission to be good, it just is.

And I never made a judgement on you. You revealed yourself to be Superficial. Look it up.

The last person I ever heard say anything was "all subjective" was in my English 1102 class at West Georgia. He had a 22 in the class and wrote like somebody had taped a crayon to a monkey's tail.

Comparing the art styles of Zelda and FF games is comparing apples and oranges. Zelda does not have to rely on character design, for there are other facets to the game. FF does, because other than art styles and character design, there is nothing but a long and pointless turn-based battle engine and overly simplistic text.

Now, I say we get this thread back on Topic, before it skewed into a round of tired old complaints.

thecubedcanuck · « **Reply #27 on:** November 16, 2003, 06:03:20 AM »

Unfortunately I am not an arts major, I am a finance major, I decided I wanted to work when I grew up.

Comparing games and fine art is ludicrous. I really dont see what is so revolutionary about Zelda anyway, in fact I have not seen very many people other than you calling it revolutionary.

To say that certain works of art, games, ect are simply great and that it is not open to opinion is laughable just as well. That is nothing more than an old art school philosophy used to justify ones like for a certain subject.

you like it fine, I dont, you think its great, I dont.

simple as that, you want to put more into it, be my guest.

Ymeegod · « **Reply #28 on:** November 16, 2003, 06:33:53 AM »

"Comparing the art styles of Zelda and FF games is comparing apples and oranges. Zelda does not have to rely on character design, for there are other facets to the game. FF does, because other than art styles and character design, there is nothing but a long and pointless turn-based battle engine and overly simplistic text."

LOL--that's one steaming pile of crud. If Zelda doesn't rely on looks than explain that do it's drop in sales? Face it, cel-shading link looked like a freaking south park character and is what hindered alot of people from purchasing it. And I guess you haven't played much FF if you call it overly simplistic compared to zelda :0. Zelda's whole combat strategy relies on finding a partern to defeat the enemy which is basically the same as it was back in the 80's.

I really don't see the big deal bashing the look of the new characters, some are calling it rehashed since it looks alot like FFX's main character but why would that effect the game? Since there's little to go on I wouldn't base my judgement of a game on a few little screenshots, if I did that then I would have passed VJ or even the upcoming MKDD.

mouse_clicker · « **Reply #29 on:** November 16, 2003, 07:26:45 AM »

I don't think anyone's judging it, just saying they're dissapointed by the character design. :\

KDR_11k · « **Reply #30 on:** November 16, 2003, 09:00:06 AM »

Ymeegod: Zelda doesn't rely on looks. Some games take a lot of their fun from moving around in a beautiful environment, while games like Zelda focus on gameplay alone. Sales, of course, don't reflect that. Many people are like braindead cows and judge a game by its looks, therefore those cows don't buy Wind Waker and grab DOAXBV instead. If you went by the market, Zelda would be best if you played a bikini-clad girl and wreaked havoc on the streets with stolen cars and ultra realistic weapons. Mass appeal and quality have little in common, ask McDonald's!

mouse_clicker · « **Reply #31 on:** November 16, 2003, 09:04:41 AM »

KDR: I completely agree, but I have to say, Wind Waker was pretty beautfiul.

I wouldn't say Nintendo focuses on gameplay alone, but rather primarily. Lately they've had some pretty gorgeous games as well.

manunited4eva22 · « **Reply #32 on:** November 16, 2003, 09:19:03 AM »

Ymeegod: Doesn't your statement just prove something ironic whether than fact? Southpark is one of the most popular cable shows in a long long long time, and is a very popular. The fact that southpark looks so cheap is not why people like it, they like it because its funny. Wouldn't your logic need to apply when you directly compare the two?

Deguello · « **Reply #33 on:** November 16, 2003, 10:10:04 PM »

"Unfortunately I am not an arts major, I am a finance major, I decided I wanted to work when I grew up."

Ok I'm gonna give you your first and only warning here. That is an ignorant comment, with a pathetic stab at the end of it. I guess I better call all those artists, graphic designers, and animators across the world working for various entertainment and advertising firms and those others that pursue their calling to be artists that thecubedcanuck doesn't think their vocation is actually work. And since you also stated that you are not an arts major, there is no way you could know if it is work or not.

This is gettng tiresome. Canuck I DARE you to reply in this thread again with another ignorant insult, or another essay on why you don't understand Zelda and Final Fantasy are unrelated. See what happens.

Ymeegod- "And I guess you haven't played much FF if you call it overly simplistic compared to zelda :0"

I have played a shitload of RPGs. Other than the ones that require buttons pushed in anger and desperation, all of them are overly simple. Level up, beat guys in turn-based fight, win game. It's not hard, just time-consuming.

thecubedcanuck · « **Reply #34 on:** November 17, 2003, 01:50:39 AM »

"Ok I'm gonna give you your first and only warning here. That is an ignorant comment, with a pathetic stab at the end of it.:

That was a reply to this comment you made, is it not an ignorant comment as well, was is not intended to compare me to this person, it is a jab from beginning to end.

"The last person I ever heard say anything was "all subjective" was in my English 1102 class at West Georgia. He had a 22 in the class and wrote like somebody had taped a crayon to a monkey's tail."

I apologize is it got a little personal, but I was talking about a game, and you decided to judge my character based on my OPINIONS of a game.

You think Zelda is great, that is fine, but dont push it down my throat by saying it is great and that is the end all be all to it.

"This is gettng tiresome. Canuck I DARE you to reply in this thread again with another ignorant insult, or another essay on why you don't understand Zelda and Final Fantasy are unrelated. "

IS this not a little extreme? Why is threatening me nessasary to prove your point? I do think the 2 are very much related, many websites consider Zelda to be an RPG so why does this have to bother you so much? I was simply disscussing my views untill you decided to make referances to my character based on my views of a game you like and I dont.

Again, I apologize for the jab, I agree it was pointless, but as for the opinions I expressed about the games, I still think they are perfectly justified.

Anyway, I am done with subject., and will let it go.

Deguello · « **Reply #35 on:** November 17, 2003, 06:18:23 AM »

Threatening you has nothing to do with my "point." You strayed the thread beyond what it was originally and turned it into a one-sided round of petty bullshit. I also must uphold the rules of this forum. You are goddamn lucky I am not an Arts Major, because I would have taken that pointless jab as a personal insult and you would be GONE. Consider yourself warned.

KDR_11k · « **Reply #36 on:** November 17, 2003, 07:59:08 AM »

Somewhat related.

rpglover · « **Reply #37 on:** November 17, 2003, 11:21:57 AM »

well i found some more information for this game- this is coming from Matsuno himself off of www.the-magicbox.com

"In an interview with the Final Fantasy XII developer Yasumi Matsuno, a few new tidbits are revealed about the game:

The game will be in 2 DVDs
Very little love elements in the game
The game style resembles Vagrant Story
Huge world map
Many people will be surprised: "Is this Final Fantasy?"
Tight controls"

this is making me a little more optimistic now- resembling Vagrant Story is always a good thing- lets hope the game turns out good- and i am intrigued by the "is this final fantasy" comment- i would think it obviously refers to the game's battle system- but we shall see

Koopa Troopa · « **Reply #38 on:** November 17, 2003, 12:37:40 PM »

Thanks RPGLover, that does give me a little more faith. I've never played Vagrant Story, but the rest of it sounded promising, well, except for the two DVD part that doesn't make me happy. Hopefully the character design will change a little.

Grey Ninja · « **Reply #39 on:** November 17, 2003, 04:27:00 PM »

Rpglover, you always seem to voice my thoughts.

I found out about that this morning, but I only had the chance to post now. Yeah, I am much more happy about this now. I guess from that it can be inferred that this isn't another FFX rehash anyways.

rpglover · « **Reply #40 on:** November 18, 2003, 12:24:05 PM »

" Rpglover, you always seem to voice my thoughts. "

hey i'm there for you guys!

"I've never played Vagrant Story, but the rest of it sounded promising, well, except for the two DVD part that doesn't make me happy. Hopefully the character design will change a little."

i would highly suggest playing vagrant story koopa- it is one of the best rpgs the playstation has to offer
the battle system is highly customizable and has a lot of strategy with it- it is a little slow at first, but once you get the hang of it, it becomes very fun- and the story of vagrant story warrents a playthrough just to experience it

i will say though that i would like to see how they incorporate multiple characters into the game (i.e. the battle system) and how large the game will truely be- information is supposed to come out tommorow so stay tuned

rpglover · « **Reply #41 on:** November 18, 2003, 12:39:57 PM »

"but the rest of it sounded promising, well, except for the two DVD part that doesn't make me happy"

i just thought about it for a minute and thought about how the game could be 2 dvds and i have come to a rational conclusion:
the game could be split between the 2 main characters- one disk would be for the guy (vahn i think) and the other for the girl (ashley i think) this would make perfect sence for the vagrant story thing to work out since the battle system in vagrant story only involves 1 player character- the only other game that i can remember with 2 dvds is devil may cry 2- and that game is split up into dante's game and lucia's game on seperate disks- but unlike that game i would suspect that the stories and gameplay enviornments on the 2 disks would be different, but overlaping- so you could see 2 sides of the story- who knows if this is true- we shall see come tomorrow

Bill Aurion · « **Reply #42 on:** November 18, 2003, 01:14:11 PM »

Ah, Vagrant Story, eh? That relieves my pain a bit...Too bad the character design still sucks...

*crosses fingers for a change*

Koopa Troopa · « **Reply #43 on:** November 18, 2003, 03:05:24 PM »

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i would highly suggest playing vagrant story koopa- it is one of the best rpgs the playstation has to offer
the battle system is highly customizable and has a lot of strategy with it- it is a little slow at first, but once you get the hang of it, it becomes very fun- and the story of vagrant story warrents a playthrough just to experience it

I'll definitely take your advice. Especially since I just found out my family owns the game O_O ...Apparently one of my brothers bought it two years ago (good thing I mentioned the game before I went and bought it on Amazon

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i just thought about it for a minute and thought about how the game could be 2 dvds and i have come to a rational conclusion:
the game could be split between the 2 main characters- one disk would be for the guy (vahn i think) and the other for the girl (ashley i think) this would make perfect sence for the vagrant story thing to work out since the battle system in vagrant story only involves 1 player character- the only other game that i can remember with 2 dvds is devil may cry 2- and that game is split up into dante's game and lucia's game on seperate disks- but unlike that game i would suspect that the stories and gameplay enviornments on the 2 disks would be different, but overlaping- so you could see 2 sides of the story- who knows if this is true- we shall see come tomorrow

That is a good point. I automatically assumed it meant FMV out the wazoo, but your idea seems more logical.

Grey Ninja · « **Reply #44 on:** November 18, 2003, 03:12:12 PM »

Just wanna back up rpglover on everything he said (as usual. I still suspect he might be my other personality, although his power of insight does seem stronger than my own.). But yeah, Vagrant Story is REALLY good, and is one of the 4 games to ever get perfect scores in Famitsu.

mouse_clicker · « **Reply #45 on:** November 18, 2003, 04:39:57 PM »

Isn't Vagrant Story a dungeon crawler? I love dungeon crawlers, and I've been trying to get my hands on a copy of Vagrant Story for a long time. o_O

rpglover · « **Reply #46 on:** November 18, 2003, 05:29:07 PM »

"Just wanna back up rpglover on everything he said (as usual. I still suspect he might be my other personality, although his power of insight does seem stronger than my own.)."

(need i say more)

"Isn't Vagrant Story a dungeon crawler? I love dungeon crawlers, and I've been trying to get my hands on a copy of Vagrant Story for a long time. o_O"

i guess you could classify it as a dungeon crawler- but it has such a deep and wonderful story (most dungeon crawlers do not)- mouse, i think that vagrant story is becoming one of those ps1 greatest hits soon- it will be rereleased in december if i heard correctly, so keep your eye out for it- it should only be about 15 bucks then (but its worth way more

)

mouse_clicker · « **Reply #47 on:** November 18, 2003, 05:30:24 PM »

I'd pay a lot more than $15 for it from what I've heard, rpglover.

I also need to pick up Xenogears, especially since it comes so highly reccomended from Grey Ninja.

Koopa Troopa · « **Reply #48 on:** November 18, 2003, 07:51:37 PM »

1UP.com has some new information.

http://www.1up.com/article2/0,4364,1388764,00.asp

Apparently the game takes place in Ivalice (hence the Bangaa we saw).

There are some new screenshots as well, specifically ones that look like they could be alternate character designs (you can't miss 'em). I find them more appealing than the first two we saw, though, why the girl is picking her nose is beyond me

The in game battle shots appear to be bigger than the ones posted before, at first glance it appears to be standard FF battling

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Just wanna back up rpglover on everything he said (as usual. I still suspect he might be my other personality, although his power of insight does seem stronger than my own.). But yeah, Vagrant Story is REALLY good, and is one of the 4 games to ever get perfect scores in Famitsu.

Well, I'm sold (and then some). I'll start playing as soon as my brother gets it back from his friend.

BTW, I'm curious, what are the other three titles with perfect scores? I seem to remember it bein mentioned before... was OoT one of them? (it must be...)

mouse_clicker · « **Reply #49 on:** November 19, 2003, 02:29:51 AM »

I beleive the other games were Ocarina of Time, Soul Calibur, and Wind Waker.

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