Topic: PlayStation4 - News/Rumor/Speculation - Over 1 Million Sold on Day 1

[tendoboy1984]

If they. Dont want to be sued they wont.

Well they got away with it in the PS Store redesign. I guess Microsoft either doesn't know, or they don't care.


And the Google Play store has a very "Metro"-ish design, yet Microsoft didn't stop Google with that.

[MrPhishfood]

I was just thinking about the latest Playstation 3 hack:

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-ps3-the-final-hack

and the consequences it may have on Sony and video gaming in general. The hack itself could not have come at a worst time, as in the holiday season. The time where all the big name titles come out like Black Ops 2 and Assassins Creed 3.

This doesn't just put a dent in to Sony's profits, but also Microsoft and Nintendo. For people who own both PS3, 360 and Wii U, there would be no need to buy either versions of a multiplatform game when it could be easily pirated on PS3.

The trust that publishers and developers have with Sony will be greatly damaged. Who's going to foot the bill for all those that potentially lost profit? Will they be able to trust in the PS4? or even the Vita?

Choosing to go multiplatform with a game may not be a good decision any more if one of the consoles could be compromised at any time resulting in lost profits from all other console versions.

[Stogi]

The people who pirate their consoles are a drop in the bucket.

[BlackNMild2k1]

New PS4/Orbis news today
http://www.vg247.com/2012/11/01/ps4_details_playstation_4/

Multiple sources have confirmed to VG247 today that a new version of the Orbis kit is now shipping to developers, and that it’s housed in a normal PC case.

There are to be four versions of the dev kit, we were told. A previous version was essentially just a graphics card. The version shipping now is a “modified PC,” and the third version, appearing in January, will be close to final spec. A final version will be delivered to developers “next summer”.
[...]
Orbis, we were told today, is based on the AMD’s A10 APU series. An APU (Accelerated Processing Unit) is a combined CPU and GPU.

PS4′s APU was described today as a “derivative” of existing A10 hardware. The hardware is “based on A10 system and base platform”.

The “ultimate goal” for the hardware, we were told, is for it to be able to run 1080p60 games in 3D with “no problem,” to create a machine that’s powerful enough for “today and tomorrow’s market”.

The dev kits have “either 8Gb or 16Gb of RAM. Deduce from that what you will.”

The hardware is not being made in Japan, it was said.

When asked if PS4 will have an optical drive, specifically Blu-ray, our source responded: “Of course it has.” We’ve been told the hard drive will be 256Gb “as standard,” but it’s not clear if it’ll be a normal HDD or a solid state drive.

We were told that Sony’s aim with Orbis is to avoid problems involved in launching PS3 by creating something “very affordable” but that “isn’t a slouch”.

The machine has WiFi and Ethernet connectivity and HDMI out. Our source said the was “no difference” between PlayStation 3 and Orbis input/output.

Expected to be officially announced before E3 2013.
Probably anywhere from 4-8GB of RAM in the retail unit
BluRay drive, but probably not any built-in PS3 BC (due to AMD GPU).
sounds like six-axis/move controllers will still work with the system.

[Spak-Spang]

Wait...how is that going to be affordable?

If it is actually launching Nov. 2013...that does not sound like a cheap system at all...it sounds like if Sony is going to be using quality RAM, and parts...to be very expensive.  Easily costing over $400.00  Maybe Sony doesn't want to make a profit from it?  I dunno. 

The future proofing the system is a great idea, as if they deliver this system could easily last 8-10 years...but geez, I dunno if I want to spend that much money for it. 

[BlackNMild2k1]

You won't have to 4 years after launch.


partially because you will be able to buy a Wii U 2 by then anyways

[Ceric]

Wait...how is that going to be affordable?

If it is actually launching Nov. 2013...that does not sound like a cheap system at all...it sounds like if Sony is going to be using quality RAM, and parts...to be very expensive.  Easily costing over $400.00  Maybe Sony doesn't want to make a profit from it?  I dunno. 

The future proofing the system is a great idea, as if they deliver this system could easily last 8-10 years...but geez, I dunno if I want to spend that much money for it. 

They look to be using closer to off the shelf stuff factor in a year or so for launch.  I could see it come out for a relatively good price.  1080p60 in 3D would definitely be what I was shooting for as well.

[TJ Spyke]

Using off the shelf stuff is more expensive though, it is part of what prevented Microsoft from making a profit on Xbox.

[Ceric]

Using off the shelf stuff is more expensive though, it is part of what prevented Microsoft from making a profit on Xbox.

Bad Contracts is what prevent Microsoft from making a profit on the XBox.

[oohhboy]

So the PS4 is a PS3 V2. I think I've heard this story before.

A rumour a while back said that Sony was aiming for 4K displays. 1080p isn't that hard anymore, but 4K is just silly.

[Ceric]

So the PS4 is a PS3 V2. I think I've heard this story before.

A rumour a while back said that Sony was aiming for 4K displays. 1080p isn't that hard anymore, but 4K is just silly.

You need something to be able to drive the sales of those displays.  Its not going to be TV services (Who are still struggling just to reach the level of Over the Air now...)

[Louieturkey]

So the PS4 is a PS3 V2. I think I've heard this story before.

A rumour a while back said that Sony was aiming for 4K displays. 1080p isn't that hard anymore, but 4K is just silly.

They may have decided that 4K being mainstream is still another 4-5 years away and didn't want to pull another PS3 just to try and sell tvs.

[tendoboy1984]

No PS3 BC? **** you Sony. I'm guessing this also applies to PSN content. But the Vita can play digital PSP games, despite using different hardware.

If this is true, then Sony is essentially throwing away all the hard work they've done on PSN to start from scratch.

[NWR_insanolord]

The Vita's powerful enough to emulate the PSP; the PS4 will almost certainly not be powerful enough to emulate the PS3, which I could see becoming the new Saturn in that it will be really hard to emulate given the way it was designed. On the plus side, we may see full PS2 compatibility, since it will likely be powerful enough for that.

[Adrock]

No PS3 BC? **** you Sony.

Harsh. Backwards compatibility is nice and all, but it always struck me as a bonus more than anything. I could definitely live without it. I understand the value side of it. However, I buy new hardware to play its own games.

[tendoboy1984]

I would like to carry over all the games I purchased over to the new system. Otherwise all that money spent has gone to waste (particularly the digital content).

If the Wii U can run Wii games, then surely the PS3 and PS4 can run PS2 games (the PS3 can through "PS2 Classics"). The Vita can easily run emulated PSP games, and the PS3 is way more powerful than that, so it shouldn't have any problems running emulated PS2 games.

[NWR_insanolord]

The PS3 isn't as much more powerful than the Vita as the PS2 is than the PSP. And Sony probably could do PS2 emulation right on PS3 if they had any to desire to, which they won't as long as they're able to sell collections of barely updated PS2 games for $40.

I'm pretty sure the Wii U uses the same architecture as the Wii (and GameCube), just with much better specs. It can run Wii games the same way your PC can run games from 20 years ago.

[Ceric]

...
I'm pretty sure the Wii U uses the same architecture as the Wii (and GameCube), just with much better specs. It can run Wii games the same way your PC can run games from 20 years ago.

Stubborn unwillingness by Corporations to move to better Computer Architectures?

[Caliban]

This still doesn't preclude that Sony's going the streaming route.

[TJ Spyke]

tendo, how is your money going to waste if a system doesn't have BC? It is not like your current system will stop functioning when the new one comes out. It's like how someone with a PS2 can still play PS2 games even though most PS3's can't play PS2 games. BC is a bonus only.

[Ceric]

tendo, how is your money going to waste if a system doesn't have BC? It is not like your current system will stop functioning when the new one comes out. It's like how someone with a PS2 can still play PS2 games even though most PS3's can't play PS2 games. BC is a bonus only.

I bought my PS3 for BC.  Its a Hardware BC one.

[BlackNMild2k1]

From the train of thought on the side of the tracks TJ doesn't walk on....

Some people buy the new system to replace the old system, not buy a new system to sit beside the old one.

When you bought a Bluray player, you probably didn't leave the DVD player hooked up too. I'm sure you disconnected it and put it in a box (or moved it to some other room you don't frequent often for movie viewing pleasure). I'm also sure you expected the DVD's you already purchased to work in your new Bluray player since it also accepts disc based media and claims to play movies.

Doesn't seem too far fetched to expect the new system, in this day and age, that accepts the same Bluray disc media, to play the old Bluray Disc media too. Seems very logical to me actually.

[TJ Spyke]

When people bought DVD players, they realized they couldn't play their old VHS tapes (yes I know they made VHD/DVD combo players), same with cassettes and CDs. Hell,  BC for games is a relatively new thing. I am just saying that people can't bitch about not being able to play their own games, because they don't have to get rid of their old system.

[BlackNMild2k1]

When people bought DVD players, they realized they couldn't play their old VHS tapes (yes I know they made VHD/DVD combo players), same with cassettes and CDs. Hell,  BC for games is a relatively new thing. I am just saying that people can't bitch about not being able to play their own games, because they don't have to get rid of their old system.

Different formats. bad example.
PS3 -> PS4 is on the exact same Bluray format that may not be BC for unobvious reasons.

[MrPhishfood]

I do wonder about Sony's version of the word "affordable". I'm sure they've learnt their lesson with the PS3 and they just won't expect 3rd party support so they'll probably keep the specs fairly decent.

With the amount of devkit memory and the comment about seamlessly going in and out of a game to do stuff feels like they are going down the route of the home entertainment hub. If they do then I would expect it to be paired with some motion controller (hot+cold wand).

I would think its impossible to emulate backwards compatibility given how weird the cell CPU is. They would certainly need a hardware solution, but keeping costs down is a priority.

The specs and comments from that article are confirming many of my speculations on next gen hardware/strategy.