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Re: Do you think a Wii 2 will work?
« Reply #25 on: March 08, 2009, 10:37:21 AM »
All I can say is "insufficient data". All we can say is that Nintendo will look for what kind of improvement would increase the customer value the most while costng little to implement. They may know what that is, we don't. If a sustaining innovation ("Wii but better") is a good idea they'd do that (but the competition would arrive at the same conclusion provided they could ever wrap their heads around proper "casual" software). I'm not sure it'll be a disruption though, a disruption means scaling the traditional values back to save costs, that only make sense when the values have overshot the customer and scaling down won't have much of a negative effect. I think when you don't scale anything down and just find new values to boost without abandoning the old ones that's "plain" Blue Ocean.

As for going with PS360 level graphics, the problem is still that a game making use of those costs BIG money to make, at least using core design philosophies. You'll probably see developers make stuff that doesn't look as pretty as the PS360 stuff now or go out of business. Of course not as pretty is not the same as not using the system power, something like EDF can use absurd amounts of system power with art that still looks like it was really cheap to make. It'll just be hard to get the right philosophies hammered into the heads that get to make the decisions for most companies.

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Re: Do you think a Wii 2 will work?
« Reply #26 on: March 08, 2009, 06:05:59 PM »
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All I can say is "insufficient data". All we can say is that Nintendo will look for what kind of improvement would increase the customer value the most while costng little to implement. They may know what that is, we don't. If a sustaining innovation ("Wii but better") is a good idea they'd do that (but the competition would arrive at the same conclusion provided they could ever wrap their heads around proper "casual" software). I'm not sure it'll be a disruption though, a disruption means scaling the traditional values back to save costs, that only make sense when the values have overshot the customer and scaling down won't have much of a negative effect. I think when you don't scale anything down and just find new values to boost without abandoning the old ones that's "plain" Blue Ocean.

As for going with PS360 level graphics, the problem is still that a game making use of those costs BIG money to make, at least using core design philosophies. You'll probably see developers make stuff that doesn't look as pretty as the PS360 stuff now or go out of business. Of course not as pretty is not the same as not using the system power, something like EDF can use absurd amounts of system power with art that still looks like it was really cheap to make. It'll just be hard to get the right philosophies hammered into the heads that get to make the decisions for most companies.

Good point about blue ocean vs. disruption. There's not much farther they can go in scaling back. Your point concerning PS360 level graphics makes for an interesting conundrum. If games keep getting costlier, would it be better to slow down and not push graphics as far? Would it get cheaper to do a current gen HD game around the time new systems launch? I don't think Nintendo would want too risk too much in that department.
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Re: Do you think a Wii 2 will work?
« Reply #27 on: March 08, 2009, 06:56:53 PM »
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Re: Do you think a Wii 2 will work?
« Reply #28 on: March 08, 2009, 08:52:41 PM »
I think something simple that keeps the Wii name, but changes it slightly.  Like DSi

Wii HD is too cliche and the whole HD thing will be old news when the Wii is finally released.

Wii+  Could work.  Specially if the "+" is superscripted. 


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Re: Do you think a Wii 2 will work?
« Reply #29 on: March 08, 2009, 11:51:32 PM »
Games should use a standardized format just like movies have with DVD and previously VHS.

I have to disagree. Where is the incentive to innovate or improve if there is no competition? Nintendo is constantly pushing the envelope with new gaming capabilities, but would they do that if they were locked into PS hardware? I doubt it. Monopolies are bad for consumers and innovation.
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Re: Do you think a Wii 2 will work?
« Reply #30 on: March 09, 2009, 12:04:03 AM »
Then why did DVD replace VHS? Why does Blu-ray exist? There would still come a point when a new and improved format was released, but there shouldn't be any need for each company to have their own. That stems from greed. Besides, there will come a point when innovation and improvements are no longer necessary/possible, and that point would definitely be the ideal time for a standardized format.

You play the game, not the system. There would still be plenty of competition amongst game developers. In fact, there would be even more competition than there is right now; since every game would be released on the same platform, developers would have to really try to outdo each other.

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Re: Do you think a Wii 2 will work?
« Reply #31 on: March 09, 2009, 12:13:01 AM »
It's Denis Dyack's one console future!
That's where he thinks we will end up someday.
I doubt it considering the greed of companies. Nintendo and Microsoft make a lot from their system sales thanks to royalties, subscription fees, cuts from online game purchases and, in Nintendo's case, from the sale of the hardware itself.
There will always be competition in a market like this and I hope it stays. Competition breeds innovation and a pursuit of quality and lower prices. Monopolies are bad for the customer.
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Re: Do you think a Wii 2 will work?
« Reply #32 on: March 09, 2009, 12:29:00 AM »
It works for movies, music, and books, why should games be any different?

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« Reply #33 on: March 09, 2009, 05:43:52 AM »
It works for movies, music, and books, why should games be any different?

In the case of other mediums, I would say that a clear cut winner leads to a single medium. Remeber VHS had competition from Beta, DVD fought DivX and Blue-Ray faced HD-DVD. It was a competition to garner support from publishers. Once one achieved supreme market dominance the other types would be forced to give up for lack of profit.
Nintendo will never be a 3rd party publisher because they make their own games and have enough of a fan base to support them through the hard times.

A medium is different from products. Also, the market will typically support only one medium type per generation when it comes to movies. Close to the past decade has proven that the gaming market can sustain three home consoles plus several handhelds and the PC.
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Re: Do you think a Wii 2 will work?
« Reply #34 on: March 09, 2009, 05:47:55 PM »
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Nintendo will have to manage a tricky balance with their new console or Wii upgrade. Another disruption could undermine the dominance they won with the Wii, but doing the same thing with added power seems against their current (and past?) design philosophies and could be too expensive for everyone. Smaller updates to the existing system can bring in new customers and still support the earlier adopters, but a home console is generally more expensive and less "disposable" than a handheld system.

Nintendo has started a new way of thinking about and experiencing gaming. Whatever new Wii system comes next will be an extension of the trailblazing disruption they've brought about with the Wii. It will be very interesting to see what they do next.

I'm with Luigi Dude. Whatever Nintendo's next big step is likely won't be shown to the public for years to come.
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Re: Do you think a Wii 2 will work?
« Reply #35 on: March 09, 2009, 10:06:24 PM »
I just want a standardized format because I don't want to buy more than one system. At this point I couldn't care less about "innovation" or "improvement" or any of that nonsense.

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Re: Do you think a Wii 2 will work?
« Reply #36 on: March 09, 2009, 10:10:46 PM »
I just want a standardized format because I don't want to buy more than one system. At this point I couldn't care less about "innovation" or "improvement" or any of that nonsense.

I agree, it would be nice. Then I could play Beyond Good & Evil 2!
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Re: Do you think a Wii 2 will work?
« Reply #37 on: March 09, 2009, 10:36:27 PM »
I just want a standardized format because I don't want to buy more than one system. At this point I couldn't care less about "innovation" or "improvement" or any of that nonsense.

I think most people who own systems generally own only one anyway.
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Re: Do you think a Wii 2 will work?
« Reply #38 on: March 09, 2009, 10:42:34 PM »
Hence why a standardized format could be good for the gaming industry as then everyone would have the opportunity to buy any game that gets released. Larger market = more game sales... in theory at least. :-\

Even though there are now competing movie formats pretty much all movies are being released on both formats. How many movies are available only on Blu-ray and not DVD?

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Re: Do you think a Wii 2 will work?
« Reply #39 on: March 09, 2009, 11:16:15 PM »
But as a life-long Nintendo fan I would buy the Nintendo console. To hell with standards! Long live Fanboyism!
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Re: Do you think a Wii 2 will work?
« Reply #40 on: March 09, 2009, 11:17:35 PM »
Hence why a standardized format could be good for the gaming industry as then everyone would have the opportunity to buy any game that gets released. Larger market = more game sales... in theory at least. :-\

Even though there are now competing movie formats pretty much all movies are being released on both formats. How many movies are available only on Blu-ray and not DVD?

Comparing Blur-Ray and DVD is like comparing the PS2 to the PS3. Hasn't PS2 sales been a steady thing even through most of last year? They are different generations and we are in a transitional period between DVD and BD.
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Re: Do you think a Wii 2 will work?
« Reply #41 on: March 10, 2009, 02:46:45 PM »
hopefully any new wii systems will have an SD slot so I don't have to worry about all my VC games and whatnot.

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Re: Do you think a Wii 2 will work?
« Reply #42 on: March 10, 2009, 07:04:28 PM »
With Nintendo releasing things like Motion Plus that should have been held off until the next system, there really isn't much they could do with a new system.

I find your lack of faith disturbing :p But seriously, just like every other console they've made Nintendo would have started development / planning on the Wii's successor already. I don't think it needs to be a graphics powerhouse, especially considering how well they've managed this gen with a 'sub-standard' graphical look. I'd love it if more money was put into developing an even better control scheme, with all types of gyros and weather station accessories attached.
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Re: Do you think a Wii 2 will work?
« Reply #43 on: March 10, 2009, 07:31:45 PM »
I fully expect Nintendo to raise the bar and include in the Wii2 everything that the Wii has (M+ & WiiSpeak) out of the box & possibly add a camera to the the sensor bar for a complete package. -(I thinking of a WiiSPeak, Sensor bar, camera combo. looking kinda like a center channel speaker for your entertainment center)-

I have no idea what new trick Nintendo has for the next generation of innovation, but I do hope they come up with something that just seems so obvious, but only after you know what it is.

What possible innovations could they come up with that havn't already been done better somewhere else?
Their biggest advantage in in the Wiimote w/ M+, but what could be improved in the control mechanism?

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Re: Do you think a Wii 2 will work?
« Reply #44 on: March 10, 2009, 07:37:38 PM »
touchscreen? custom controls?
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Re: Do you think a Wii 2 will work?
« Reply #45 on: March 10, 2009, 08:56:59 PM »
I find your lack of faith disturbing :p
It isn't a lack of faith so much as it is indifference. I don't really care about "improvements" or "innovation" or any of that nonsense because I am just fine with gaming as it is. What I say to companies is to slow things down and let us enjoy where we are for a while before moving on to the next big thing. If the Nintendo 64 were still on the market after all of this time I'd probably be fine with that.

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« Reply #46 on: March 10, 2009, 08:57:56 PM »
What do you mean by custom controls?
re-arrangeable buttons? That sounds like something handled through software (The Conduit?)
You also have the different controllers that you can attach for different control schemes.

Touchscreen? that's what the DS->Wii connection is supposed to be all about.
Hardly anybody has even explored the idea of connectivity between the two consoles.
If Nintendo doesn't lead the way, it looks like no one will even look in that direction.

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Re: Do you think a Wii 2 will work?
« Reply #47 on: March 10, 2009, 09:37:14 PM »
PSP is leading the way, whatchu talkin' 'bout
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Re: Do you think a Wii 2 will work?
« Reply #48 on: March 10, 2009, 10:41:10 PM »
PSP is leading the way, whatchu talkin' 'bout

PSP is leading, but no one is following, but we won't tell PSP. He'll get lost in the woods for a few hours while developers continue to treat it poorly. Poor PSP.

What do you mean by custom controls?
re-arrangeable buttons? That sounds like something handled through software (The Conduit?)
You also have the different controllers that you can attach for different control schemes.

I remember hearing something about that once. A controller where you can move the buttons around. I think some people have simulated it with a touch sensitive screen. Isn't that what some programmers do with iPod and PDA games? The bottom part of the screen is a set of touch sensitive buttons.
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Re: Do you think a Wii 2 will work?
« Reply #49 on: March 10, 2009, 10:55:20 PM »
Unless these touch screens are coming with haptic(?) feed back, being able to randomly placing buttons on the screen is just gonna become a hassle since you always have to look for the button cause you can't feel it.