Topic: Do you think a Wii 2 will work?

[Shorty McNostril]

Hi Ladies and Gents.  It's been a good while since I posted here, so this topic could have been talked about before but I'm not sure, so anyway here goes.

I was browsing on another forum and they were discussing what would be a good next gen system for the 3 brands.  That got me thinking about Nintendo's strategy.  The Wii 2.  Do you all think that it's a smart move?  Think about it.  As we are all painfully aware, the Wii's success is due to it's attractiveness to the casual gamers out there.  Now when you think casual gamer, what springs to your mind, is it a person that will race in to their local electronics retailer for all the new release games on launch day/eve?  Someone that carefully follows all the news regarding the games market on the internet?  Someone that will sit down for hours each day playing games?  Or would a more accurate description be a person who will wait, and grab a game when it's cheaper?  Someone who turns on the game for a half, to an hour a day?  Or more to the point, a person who will buy every new console that comes out, close if not on launch day? 

That last question houses my point.  If Nintendo released a Wii 2, with a similar but more advanced control system, do you think it would work?  Generally, casual gamers aren't people who will buy a new games console the day it comes out.  So why would they make an exception for Nintendo? 

What do you all think?

[DAaaMan64]

The first time Nintendo grabbed the casual market was a success. The second time while not quite as big of a phenomenon, but it had the better, fully ripe fruit.

So Wii 2 is the SNES where Wii is the NES.

kthxbai

[Stratos]

I don't think there will ever be a 'Wii2'.
Nintendo will need to create a new disruption that is different from Wii.

[DAaaMan64]

No. They need to do the exact same thing again, but with a natural progress on that thing.

Otherwise, shaking things up now would be wasting the element of surprise.

[redgiemental]

I think Nintendo needs to offer some reason for their new customers to upgrade. One that isn't simply improved graphics (th`t should happen too though). Head tracking or something like that.

[Shorty McNostril]

No. They need to do the exact same thing again, but with a natural progress on that thing.

Otherwise, shaking things up now would be wasting the element of surprise.

That's the thing though.  The element of surprise has already been used.  People are expecting another upgraded Wiimote.  Unless it is something outrageously different I personally think it will bomb.  Like I said, a casual gamer doesn't religiously buy a new console when a new one comes out. 

You speak of the element of surprise, I think that the biggest surprise would be a true blue graphics/power contender for the next gen.  What would you think if come unveiling time they unwrapped a console with a regular controller that was a competitor for Sony and Microsoft.  Nintendo have the spotlight again now.  They have reclaimed the prominence and position and money to really give the console power race a run for its money.  They need to win back their old school fans, the people that "defected" to Microsoft and Sony camps.  And the best way to do that is to fight fire with fire. 

What do you think?

[AV]

i am really happy about Wii Motion Plus, because they could have saved it for Wii 2 , but they didn't.

Who knows what Nintendo will do for the future. I am guessing it will have 3d in it, like head tracking and typical upgrades to graphics, hd power, legit hard drive, etc.

[Spak-Spang]

Nintendo needs to make the Wii 2 feel more like a natural progression in the console market and less a new system.

If it is a new system the casual market may say I like the system I have and I can play these games without making a large new investment.

So then what does that make the Wii 2?  Think more of the DSi type upgrade.

1)All controllers will work with the Wii 2.  In fact the Wii 2 controller will most likely be the Wiimote with Wii motion plus already in it.  Nunchuk's, classic controllers, Balance Board everything must be compatible with the new Wii.  I can see a new sensor bar being implemented for better control, and perhaps a sensor bar with a video camera to add some new elements to game design.

2)Complete backwards compatibility.  The Wii 2 needs to have the virtual console transferable, the Wii games playable and everything work for the new system.  Gamecube support can be dropped however. And a much larger internal memory for storing everything. 

3)I think the biggest change will need to be a new O/S that allows for a Nintendo experience similar to the Xbox live experience.  This will be the big selling point for the Wii 2.  And will go along way to help Nintendo establish the system.  Though the channel layout needs to still be there. 

4) Finally, the system needs to be more power.  HD ready, and with enough RAM and horse power to take the Wii experience to the next level.  Does that mean it will be up to speed with the PS4 or Xbox 3?  No, probably not...but if the system has enough horse power to by an Xbox 360 1.5  then it will be good to go.

[Spinnzilla]

hopefully any new wii systems will have an SD slot so I don't have to worry about all my VC games and whatnot.

[Chozo Ghost]

I don't think "Wii 2" will be the name of Nintendo's next console. Nintendo has NEVER, and I repeat NEVER, had a successor console with a 2 behind the name of its predecessor. Sony does this with their PS -> PS2 --> PS3 line and will probably do it with a PS4 at some point, but as far as I know they're the only company lame enough to do this. Nintendo might name their next console "Super Wii" or "Wii 64" or "Wii Advance", but the last thing they will ever name it is "Wii 2".

[Mop it up]

Yeah, numbers belong behind game titles like Mario Party, not system titles which sound like poor grammar.

Somehow I doubt we'll be seeing a successor to Wii anytime soon. With Nintendo releasing things like Motion Plus that should have been held off until the next system, there really isn't much they could do with a new system. My guess is Nintendo will try to hold out for a ten-year market life for Wii, although I suppose this depends on what the competitors do. However, it seems like even Microsoft and Sony would like to expand the console generation past 4-6 years as well.

[Stogi]

Wii 2 will work because the Wii is working.

The name brand is there, it's setup. All they need to do is expand on the idea, that's all.

[Luigi Dude]

As long as the Wii continues to sell like it has been, Nintendo has no need to release a new system.  Nintendo has never released a new system unless they truly needed to.  This is why the Gameboy was able to last for over 10 years, since they remained dominate in the handheld market during all that time.  Hell, even the DS is looking like it could end up having a 10 year life cycle the way it's going.

As long as the Wii remains as dominate as it does, then it's a very real possibility that it could end up living that long as well.  Plus as others have said, because of the already enormous cost of HD development on the 360/PS3, Microsoft and Sony don't really want to release a new system in the upcoming future either.  Especially in Sony's case since they can't really afford too.

So in the end, any Wii successor won't be showing up for a long time.

[King of Twitch]

That's crazy talk, Nintendo ATE (AltogetherEveryone) will be out in 2011.

[Spak-Spang]

Again, unless the Wii Successor is more like a DS successor.

[Stratos]

Again, unless the Wii Successor is more like a DS successor.

I agree with what you are saying. That's one of the things I mean by no Wii 2. If we look at the DS model, every time the current model begins to slump in Japan, a new model is released.

Everyone seems to think that Wii 2 is a necessity. That is has to be a 'next generation' Wii with more horse power. That is an old school mindset. The market is changing. They have to follow up with a new disruptive product, something that captures the population in a similar way. If you are convincing yourself otherwise you are merely setting yourself up for disappointment and shock.

Besides, since I'm expecting something radically different, if they release an HD Wii 2 'hardcore-gaming-console-type-thing' I will be even more excited than before.

Here is a post I made on another forum in regards to this thought:

There will never be a Wii 2. Not at the rate the Wii is still selling.
All joking aside. I question if there really will be a Wii 2. If sales do in fact slow down there will still be a strong wave they could ride out for years. Also, Nintendo will wish to emulate or surpass the Wii's success. This would require them to innovate yet again and this requires them to once more disrupt the market. This means that their next system will not be Wii 2 but something else entirely. Though I do fear it is the slow death of traditional gaming as we know/knew it.

Another route they could go is already being explored in the DSi. Re-release the system with a few new features to keep people coming back for more.
There are several big tests that will direct Nintendo's decision on this in the coming year.

Firstly, how many of Nintendo's titles go 'evergreen'. One of the reasons I believe that DS development has slowed down is because sales are still flowing in for their evergreen titles. Mario Kart DS and New Super Mario Bros are still charting in the top ten for system agnostic game sales. These games are several years old.

Nintendo already has several Wii evergreen games in the form of Mario Kart Wii and Wii Fit, among others. If Wii Music and Animal Crossing (along with Wii Sports Resort, but more on that later) join the EG Club there will be less incentive for Nintendo to jump to a new system, thus aborting a steady flow of money from these older games.

Secondly, a similar move to the DSi may already be coming to Wii. Wii Sports Resort with it's Motion Plus is a major addition and modification to the console. The amount of change to the way we view and control games could almost warrant the creation of 'Wii 2'. Make a Wii with Motion Plus from the get-go with larger and more streamlinned storage, a more dynamic and user friendly online interface along with HD would more that make up for a number of the Wii's current shortcommings. In fact if Nintendo was following the traditional path of game business then they would have saved Motion Plus for Wii 2. The fact that they are attempting to incorporate it into the current Wii SKU shows that they don't intend to make a brand new system any time in the next couple of years. If sales of WS Resort is strong and the Motion Plus reaches a heavy attach rate, then Nintendo has effectively performed a system re-design of sorts, thus negating the need for a new system to add features.

If Nintendo eventually did release a system it will most likely be a system redesign (Wii-'i' akin to DSi), not an entirely new system. As others here and elsewhere have said, just give the Wii a storage device and true high def output and most of the issues it has compared to modern systems is resolved.

Anyway that is why I feel there will never be a Wii 2. At best expect a Wii 1.5 or Wii Plus re-design in new colors. But in reality, unless sales of both the system and the Motion Plus add-on tank, there will be no new system ever.

[Shorty McNostril]

Nintendo needs to make the Wii 2 feel more like a natural progression in the console market and less a new system.

If it is a new system the casual market may say I like the system I have and I can play these games without making a large new investment.

So then what does that make the Wii 2?  Think more of the DSi type upgrade.

1)All controllers will work with the Wii 2.  In fact the Wii 2 controller will most likely be the Wiimote with Wii motion plus already in it.  Nunchuk's, classic controllers, Balance Board everything must be compatible with the new Wii.  I can see a new sensor bar being implemented for better control, and perhaps a sensor bar with a video camera to add some new elements to game design.

2)Complete backwards compatibility.  The Wii 2 needs to have the virtual console transferable, the Wii games playable and everything work for the new system.  Gamecube support can be dropped however. And a much larger internal memory for storing everything. 

3)I think the biggest change will need to be a new O/S that allows for a Nintendo experience similar to the Xbox live experience.  This will be the big selling point for the Wii 2.  And will go along way to help Nintendo establish the system.  Though the channel layout needs to still be there. 

4) Finally, the system needs to be more power.  HD ready, and with enough RAM and horse power to take the Wii experience to the next level.  Does that mean it will be up to speed with the PS4 or Xbox 3?  No, probably not...but if the system has enough horse power to by an Xbox 360 1.5  then it will be good to go.

I completely agree with this.  The last thing Nintendo want to do is completely alienate the casual gamers.

But regarding point 4.  I think that is just what Nintendo needs to do to win back its former followers.  As I said above, they have the money, the talent, and most importantly the prominence and limelight to make a HUGE impact on Sony and Microsoft next turn.  I'm not talking about going stupid like Sony did and throwing every conceivable gizmo in it and charging 4 arms and 3 legs for it.  But this time keep it on par with the rivals.  3rd party companies are noticing Nintendo again as we all know, but they are noticing it the wrong way.  While there are definitely exceptions to this, the majority of 3rd party companies see the Wii as a means to make a quick buck and load it up with utter shovelware.  Meanwhile the other systems get titles such as RE5, Dead rising, GTA, blah blah blah.  At this point, whenever a high end game is developed, the Wii is instantly discarded as a carrier because of its reputation and mediocre performance. 

The above mentioned strategy will cost more.  But Nintendo has a means of other income.  They should take a leaf out of Sony's book and continue support for the Wii through the "Wiivo's" life.  They would still make bazzillions of dollars.  They would still be catering to the casual gamer and therefore keep them happy, but more importantly, it would give Nintendo an outlet to receive the big name games again, and therefore a means to bring back the core gamer crowd. 

[Stratos]

Nintendo needs to make the Wii 2 feel more like a natural progression in the console market and less a new system.

If it is a new system the casual market may say I like the system I have and I can play these games without making a large new investment.

So then what does that make the Wii 2?  Think more of the DSi type upgrade.

1)All controllers will work with the Wii 2.  In fact the Wii 2 controller will most likely be the Wiimote with Wii motion plus already in it.  Nunchuk's, classic controllers, Balance Board everything must be compatible with the new Wii.  I can see a new sensor bar being implemented for better control, and perhaps a sensor bar with a video camera to add some new elements to game design.

2)Complete backwards compatibility.  The Wii 2 needs to have the virtual console transferable, the Wii games playable and everything work for the new system.  Gamecube support can be dropped however. And a much larger internal memory for storing everything. 

3)I think the biggest change will need to be a new O/S that allows for a Nintendo experience similar to the Xbox live experience.  This will be the big selling point for the Wii 2.  And will go along way to help Nintendo establish the system.  Though the channel layout needs to still be there. 

4) Finally, the system needs to be more power.  HD ready, and with enough RAM and horse power to take the Wii experience to the next level.  Does that mean it will be up to speed with the PS4 or Xbox 3?  No, probably not...but if the system has enough horse power to by an Xbox 360 1.5  then it will be good to go.

I completely agree with this.  The last thing Nintendo want to do is completely alienate the casual gamers.

But regarding point 4.  I think that is just what Nintendo needs to do to win back its former followers.  As I said above, they have the money, the talent, and most importantly the prominence and limelight to make a HUGE impact on Sony and Microsoft next turn.  I'm not talking about going stupid like Sony did and throwing every conceivable gizmo in it and charging 4 arms and 3 legs for it.  But this time keep it on par with the rivals.  3rd party companies are noticing Nintendo again as we all know, but they are noticing it the wrong way.  While there are definitely exceptions to this, the majority of 3rd party companies see the Wii as a means to make a quick buck and load it up with utter shovelware.  Meanwhile the other systems get titles such as RE5, Dead rising, GTA, blah blah blah.  At this point, whenever a high end game is developed, the Wii is instantly discarded as a carrier because of its reputation and mediocre performance. 

The above mentioned strategy will cost more. But Nintendo has a means of other income.  They should take a leaf out of Sony's book and continue support for the Wii through the "Wiivo's" life.  They would still make bazzillions of dollars.  They would still be catering to the casual gamer and therefore keep them happy, but more importantly, it would give Nintendo an outlet to receive the big name games again, and therefore a means to bring back the core gamer crowd.

(Boldness added by me)

Nintendo does not like to choose costlier investments. There is a reason every console they sell garners a profit as opposed to Sony, Microsoft or even Sega back in the day.

See, I think that your idea is hinged on a good deal of wishful thinking. Nintendo is successful right now. They are making an awful lot of money. Why should they change strategies at the moment? Nintendo has radically altered the playing field. The old order of things has passed away and the new order has arrived. You can't expect them to follow any past trend or pattern from the pre-DS/Wii era. Releasing a 'next generation system' is what people with an old market mindset expects. That's what Sony, Microsoft, Sega and even Nintendo did in the past. The Wii and DS are fundamentally different in this regard.

The only way I see a return to form is if there is a 'casual' market collapse. A sales fallout is very possible. The Wii has been selling like crazy for almost two-and-a-half years. If this does occur then Nintendo may be forced to rely on it's core fans as it often did in the N64 and Gamecube days. I doubt it will happen but it remains a possibility.

[Shorty McNostril]

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See, I think that your idea is hinged on a good deal of wishful thinking.
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I agree.  I am positive it won't happen.  But I just can't help thinking that if they try to continue this way of doing things then it will backfire.

[BlackNMild2k1]

Like mentioned above, I see the next Wii following a trend like the DS (what does DS stand for? Developers system? Dual Screen?), gradual upgrade with full backwards compatibility.

I see it being a WiiHD (HD as in High Density, High Definition, High Demand, HoloDeck?). A Wii that at first glance is almost identical to the Wii we have now. Except that it has alot more RAM, internal hard drive (20gb minimum & SDHD support that makes sense), standard 720p/1080p output out of the box & a processor that is capable of handling not only the grafix output, but UI and background operations at the same time.

With the huge push towards HD that is going on right now, you figure that even the casuals will want to take advantage of that new bigscreen TV in 3-4 years (2011-2012). Witht the success of Virtual Console, WiiWare & soon the DSiWare, you figure people are gonna have a huge backlog of downloaded games taht they are gonna want to store on their systems. And with all the asset investment that the developers are already putting into PS3 & X360, you would think that the visual output would atleast be on par with todays HD consoles if not somewhat better from a performance aspect.

As far as UI,it should still look basically the same (channels), but I would hope that they make it alot like Samus' visor and make the the home screen integrate seemlessly into everything like a heads up display (similar to Xbox LIVE?), where you can check your messages or add friends to you list w/o actually exiting the game. And your system friends list being actually integrated into everygame along with your WiiSpeak attachment. This makes the process easier for the casual and the more advanced gamer.

Besides the obvious Wiimote+ being included, I think the classic controller should be designed in a way to take care of GC games too since it should be emulated from here on out. But I also like the idea of integrating the sensor bar with a camera(and if possible, WiiSpeak) to make this an all in one livingroom package. Videochat with friends(in & out of games), increased sensoring of movements which could help motion sensing games.

But as long as Wii is leading the pack with such phenomenal sales, I don't see anything making them rush this to market unless Sony or MS decide to push some new competition into the market or enough time has passed to make all of this extremely cheap to produce.To get the casuals to upgrade, the WiiHD is gonna have to do something new, something that is gonna be HYPEd by the media and by friends. Like WiiSpoert was the next BIG thing followed by WiiFit, WiiHD is going to need to have that "thing" that you just need to try and dyour friends and family need to try too. Basically repeat the exact same thing that just happened, only with something NEW.

[Mop it up]

Games should use a standardized format just like movies have with DVD and previously VHS. There could be different players manufactured by different companies which may offer different features at different prices, but they would all play the same games. This would probably help out game developers as well, since they wouldn't have to worry about which system to release their games onto or creating multiple versions.

Just my simple thought on this. Unfortunately Nintendo, Sony and Microsoft all have different visions for their respective systems so I don't see the three of them settling on a standardized format anytime soon.

[stevey]

Nintendo needs to make the Wii 2 feel more like a natural progression in the console market and less a new system.

If it is a new system the casual market may say I like the system I have and I can play these games without making a large new investment.

So then what does that make the Wii 2?  Think more of the DSi type upgrade.

This sound like the second coming of the sega-cd/32x, minor upgrades instead of a new system is a temporary fix and will piss off the fan base when then next improvement comes after dropping money on the wii-i. This isn't a cheapish handheld that breaks, get lost, has multiply sales per household, and has slower adoption rates than consoles so using the same strategy isn't the best solution. 

1)All controllers will work with the Wii 2.  In fact the Wii 2 controller will most likely be the Wiimote with Wii motion plus already in it.  Nunchuk's, classic controllers, Balance Board everything must be compatible with the new Wii.  I can see a new sensor bar being implemented for better control, and perhaps a sensor bar with a video camera to add some new elements to game design.

Releasing a controller just like the Wii-mote or using the Wii's add ons is the dumbest thing Nintendo can do. The Wii-mote is blue tooth device, and so will the next controller (probably) so all Nintendo need to do is add the drivers to receive data off it allow people to use it for game that work well with it. The new controller need to be some thing completely different like a wavebird with motion sensing and better suited for games types that the Wii-mote currently can't do well. (Not to mention the loss sale of new controllers, business wise) 

2)Complete backwards compatibility.  The Wii 2 needs to have the virtual console transferable, the Wii games playable and everything work for the new system.  Gamecube support can be dropped however. And a much larger internal memory for storing everything. 

The way the system is designed on the Wii as of now, there no real way to easily track your VC sales (ie you format; it's gone). And just coping the game tickets from the Wii to the Revolution 2 would allow for a piracy nightmare for Nintendo, people doing multi-transfers, or if it erases the tickets after transfer people crying over not being able to play their VC games on their old system.
 
There no point to drop GC support. If the CPU can be used as a Wii CPU then it is fully capable to play GC games. The GC port and MC card slots can be remove and replace instead with a USB or wireless adapter with the ports/slot for those who want it.

3)I think the biggest change will need to be a new O/S that allows for a Nintendo experience similar to the Xbox live experience.  This will be the big selling point for the Wii 2.  And will go along way to help Nintendo establish the system.  Though the channel layout needs to still be there. 

Even though they should have a standardize (sane) OS that designed to let new features to be added as extension to the central OS that would allow Nintendo to pull a  Xbox live experience like MS did, Nintendo software engineers are way too stupid to be able to code it. Most likely, they will do the same idiotic moves painting themselves in a corner and make a OS system like the Wii's that isn't designed to be upgraded beyond the level of adding a clock to the main menu or features they only have planed originally before release like copying save to SD to give the illusion of upgradable. Anything more would require them to overhauled the OS in such a way as to break compatibility with previous released game. And Nintendo likely wont be willing copy their losing competition or admit their mistakes this round.

4) Finally, the system needs to be more power.  HD ready, and with enough RAM and horse power to take the Wii experience to the next level.  Does that mean it will be up to speed with the PS4 or Xbox 3?  No, probably not...but if the system has enough horse power to by an Xbox 360 1.5  then it will be good to go.

How could more power make games better? This in Nintendo, Game play >>> cut scenes. Being HD wont make the game better as a the horse power that's added will just go into turning 480p into 1080p. Until Nintendo can't make the games at a level they want there wont be a upgrade. I guessing there wont be a revolution 2 to at lease 2012/2013, if not later.

[Stratos]

Nintendo needs to make the Wii 2 feel more like a natural progression in the console market and less a new system.

If it is a new system the casual market may say I like the system I have and I can play these games without making a large new investment.

So then what does that make the Wii 2?  Think more of the DSi type upgrade.

This sound like the second coming of the sega-cd/32x, minor upgrades instead of a new system is a temporary fix and will piss off the fan base when then next improvement comes after dropping money on the wii-i. This isn't a cheapish handheld that breaks, get lost, has multiply sales per household, and has slower adoption rates than consoles so using the same strategy is the best solution. 

1)All controllers will work with the Wii 2.  In fact the Wii 2 controller will most likely be the Wiimote with Wii motion plus already in it.  Nunchuk's, classic controllers, Balance Board everything must be compatible with the new Wii.  I can see a new sensor bar being implemented for better control, and perhaps a sensor bar with a video camera to add some new elements to game design.

Releasing a controller just like the Wii-mote or using the Wii's add ons is the dumbest thing Nintendo can do. The Wii-mote is blue tooth device, and so will the next controller (probably) so all Nintendo need to do is add the drivers to receive data off it allow people to use it for game that work well with it. The new controller need to be some thing completely different like a wavebird with motion sensing and better suited for games types that the Wii-mote currently can't do well. (Not to mention the loss sale of new controllers, business wise) 

2)Complete backwards compatibility.  The Wii 2 needs to have the virtual console transferable, the Wii games playable and everything work for the new system.  Gamecube support can be dropped however. And a much larger internal memory for storing everything. 

The way the system is designed on the Wii as of now, there no real way to easily track your VC sales (ie you format; it's gone). And just coping the game tickets from the Wii to the Revolution 2 would allow for a piracy nightmare for Nintendo, people doing multi-transfers, or if it erases the tickets after transfer people crying over not being able to play their VC games on their old system.
 
There no point to drop GC support. If the CPU can be used as a Wii CPU then it is fully capable to play GC games. The GC port and MC card slots can be remove and replace instead with a USB or wireless adapter with the ports/slot for those who want it.

3)I think the biggest change will need to be a new O/S that allows for a Nintendo experience similar to the Xbox live experience.  This will be the big selling point for the Wii 2.  And will go along way to help Nintendo establish the system.  Though the channel layout needs to still be there. 

Even though they should have a standardize (sane) OS that designed to let new features to be added as extension to the central OS that would allow Nintendo to pull a  Xbox live experience like MS did, Nintendo software engineers are way too stupid to be able to code it. Most likely, they will do the same idiotic moves painting themselves in a corner and make a OS system like the Wii's that isn't designed to be upgraded beyond the level of adding a clock to the main menu or features they only have planed originally before release like copying save to SD to give the illusion of upgradable. Anything more would require them to overhauled the OS in such a way as to break compatibility with previous released game. And Nintendo likely wont be willing copy their losing competition or admit their mistakes this round.

4) Finally, the system needs to be more power.  HD ready, and with enough RAM and horse power to take the Wii experience to the next level.  Does that mean it will be up to speed with the PS4 or Xbox 3?  No, probably not...but if the system has enough horse power to by an Xbox 360 1.5  then it will be good to go.

How could more power make games better? This in Nintendo, Game play >>> cut scenes. Being HD wont make the game better as a the horse power that's added will just go into turning 480p into 1080p. Until Nintendo can't make the games at a level they want there wont be a upgrade. I guessing there wont be a revolution 2 to at lease 2012/2013, if not later.

Good point on the 32-X/Sega-CD comparison. I hadn't thought to consider them. Even though it would be a whole system package it would still fiercely divide the market. The Motion Plus may be a similar attempt at this as well.

On the matter of VC transfers, perhaps you could link to a mutual account that is restricted to one Wii and one Wii 2. Thus you are just D/Ling the ones you paid to have previously. Though I agree it would be a tricky task and they probably won't do it like most people want it to be done.

I agree that we wouldn't hear anything about 'Revolution 2' until '012-'013 with the current rate of system sales. Unless Nintendo can get casuals to buy more games then maybe even longer. I know they are desperately trying to because a friend of mine is with a company tasked by Nintendo to brainstorm ways to get them to buy more games.

[NWR_insanolord]

VC transfer will be handled through your Club Nintendo account that already associates your purchases with one specific identity. Also, Sega wasn't hurt so much by the 32X and Sega CD themselves as by releasing the true successor, the Saturn, so soon after them. Like how the DSi is fine unless Nintendo releases the DS 2 next year, in which case people will be pissed.

[AV]

i'm still thinking of a name.

Wii3G , or Ultra Wii, or Wii-XR-20, or Wii-Supreme Extreme , or Wii S-8472

bonus points for whomever can identify where i got the names from