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Re: Superman Reboot
« Reply #50 on: August 28, 2008, 09:02:44 PM »
Bryan Singer isn't a fool, I still think WB should give him a second shot he will see the criticism and make a better movie. After man of steel if it doesn't work out than whatever.

If they are going to cast a new Superman I would 100% favor Tom Welling from smallville, let that show finish and introduce him as the new superman let him bulk up, use that same Lois but they could hire somebody new I don't care. It's not a "smallville" movie, but you can just use the characters in that show that KNOW WHAT THEY ARE DOING.

The Lex in Smallville is FREAKEN AMAZING. Michael Rosenbaum has proven himself the best "Modern Lex".

I would rather not have a origin story, but Metallo would be great if not parasite as villains. If they don't want to keep Bryan Singer I would hire Bruce Timm he has done some amazing animated movies and tv shows and knows the characters well and would be a nice introduction to real movies.

So for me a reboot Superman I would want this.

Superman/Clark: Tom Welling
Lex: Michael Rosenbaum
Director: Bruce Timm

I think that could work very well.

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« Reply #51 on: August 29, 2008, 12:27:18 AM »
What's Dean Cain doing now-a-days?  He made a good Superman...
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Re: Superman Reboot
« Reply #52 on: August 29, 2008, 12:34:21 AM »
wasn't he hosting Ripleys Believe it or not tv show?
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« Reply #53 on: August 29, 2008, 06:36:17 PM »
dean caine played that Peterson guy in a tv movie, you know the guy who killed his pregnant wife or whatever
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Re: Superman Reboot
« Reply #54 on: September 01, 2008, 04:09:33 PM »
"Meh" on Tom Welling. He looks like Superman, but has always appeared to me to be a pretty mediocre actor. Brandon Routh did a fine job, what, people don't like him?

P.S. - But I DO agree on Michael Rosenbaum being a totally awesome Lex.
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Re: Superman Reboot
« Reply #55 on: September 01, 2008, 04:19:58 PM »
they shouldnt make a new superman movie until the technology exist to bring christopher reeves back from the dead, and you know... cure his paralysis
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Re: Superman Reboot
« Reply #56 on: September 02, 2008, 08:37:23 AM »
But a Zombie Superman would be EVIL.
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Re: Superman Reboot
« Reply #57 on: September 02, 2008, 09:23:59 AM »
But a Zombie Superman would be EVIL.

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« Reply #58 on: September 02, 2008, 04:00:34 PM »
"In the original Siegel and Shuster stories, Superman's personality is rough and aggressive. The character was seen stepping in to stop wife beaters, profiteers, a lynch mob and gangsters, with rather rough edges and a looser moral code than audiences may be used to today.[29] Later writers have softened the character, and instilled a sense of idealism and moral code of conduct. Although not as cold-blooded as the early Batman, the Superman featured in the comics of the 1930s is unconcerned about the harm his strength may cause, tossing villainous characters in such a manner that fatalities would presumably occur, although these were seldom shown explicitly on the page. This came to an end late in 1940, when new editor Whitney Ellsworth instituted a code of conduct for his characters to follow, banning Superman from ever killing.[64]" from wikipedia
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« Reply #59 on: September 04, 2008, 11:43:53 AM »
Personally, I'd rather see a change in how the Superman movies are made.  While you all use the word "Dark," I don't see a transition as needing to be dark, per say.  Right now, we've got a happy-go-lucky Superman thing going on.  Superman flies into the everyday world, and yeah, there's a villain, and yeah, his/Clark Kent's life might not be perfect, but all-in-all, the people are superficial caricatures of human kind.  It's campy.  The movies are far too campy.  They get too bent on making Clark Kent a "mild-mannered" reporter, and it's ridiculous, because these characters have evolved.  Kent is a hot-shot reporter who doesn't have the fame of Lois Lane, but he's almost anything but mild-mannered now.

Luthor is much more than an evil corporate villain.  He's a slick business man, but not inherently evil.  He sees himself as all that's good of mankind, the pinnacle of evolution.  All of a sudden, this...alien...comes in and steals that away from him.  He thinks that if Superman were to get out of the way, he could cure cancer, that's his problem.  He doesn't believe he's evil, he thinks he's working to stop Superman for the good of the world.

Then you've got Lois.  They need to jump past the point where she doesn't know that Clark Kent and Superman are one of the same.  Get to the point where he's courting her, or even when they're married.  The point that she's at now is intolerable, really.  Super Baby needs the boot, too, for a long time, at least.

Superman isn't dark.  No, Superman doesn't walk the line of hero and villain, he doesn't beat confessions out of people, and he doesn't question his morals, ever.  However, Superman can be serious, rather than the camp we've seen.  Superman is about sacrifice.  Here we have a man with "Super" powers, right?  He doesn't have to be Superman, he doesn't have to save the world, he doesn't need to.  He's got a loving family, a great job, and a romantic interest, but he does do it, anyways.  He's Superman because he wants to save people, but it costs him.  It costs him the best stories, it costs him time with Lois, it makes him enemies, and the one tricky part is if the villains exist solely because he does.  They need to express that better.  Why does Superman fight?  Why does he save the day?  Why does he sacrifice a normal life, children, his job, and everything to fight people and enemies that probably wouldn't be there if he weren't?  That's the inner turmoil we need to see in a Superman movie, really, and I know it's shown a little bit, but not really.  It's been pondered, that's all, never truly considered.

Also, we need a real villain, Brainiac or Metallo are my picks, but there's a few others that could work to begin.  Honestly, I prefer Brainiac, someone that would have been around regardless of Superman, to show why he is needed.

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Re: Superman Reboot
« Reply #60 on: September 04, 2008, 12:06:40 PM »
Sounds too much like Spiderman and look how those movies turned out.

Awful.

Except for the first one. (William Defoe is the ****)

And Spiderman is a WAY better superhero than Superman.
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« Reply #61 on: September 04, 2008, 12:17:20 PM »
The Spiderman movies did suck, but Spiderman wasn't ever really about personal sacrifice, it was about a kid finding his place in the world.  Spiderman movies involved too much angst and bitterness without much reason aside from "Peter Parker felt like it."  You get so much of that mixed into the movie.  The Spiderman movies are trying to appeal to a younger audience, rather than everyone, and so they've artificially inserted teenage angst into the mix to try to reach them.  This isn't the same thing.  Superman isn't going to throw a tantrum because he has to protect people as Superman, nor is he going to get a big head.  It's just not the same as the Spiderman movies, with their Parker character.  Besides, in my book, Superman Returns was worse than the Spiderman movies, even!

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« Reply #62 on: September 04, 2008, 01:04:16 PM »
Oh definitely. That movie sucked.

In the comics, Peter Parker is the man though. It's a damn shame.......
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« Reply #63 on: September 04, 2008, 03:39:59 PM »
"In the original Siegel and Shuster stories, Superman's personality is rough and aggressive. The character was seen stepping in to stop wife beaters, profiteers, a lynch mob and gangsters, with rather rough edges and a looser moral code than audiences may be used to today.[29] Later writers have softened the character, and instilled a sense of idealism and moral code of conduct. Although not as cold-blooded as the early Batman, the Superman featured in the comics of the 1930s is unconcerned about the harm his strength may cause, tossing villainous characters in such a manner that fatalities would presumably occur, although these were seldom shown explicitly on the page. This came to an end late in 1940, when new editor Whitney Ellsworth instituted a code of conduct for his characters to follow, banning Superman from ever killing.[64]" from wikipedia

Well the thing is the "modern superman" has been around for 60 or so years, that very early superman is long forgotten. So that wouldn't fit.

If they insist in being dark this is would be a great way to go, but damn it would be edgy.



Superman RED Son

Basically tells the story if Superman landed in Russia instead of Smallville. Another Universe story that is self contained.

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I don't own very few Superman Comics but this is one I do own, and Damn its a fantastic spin on Superman. That is dark.

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Re: Superman Reboot
« Reply #64 on: September 04, 2008, 04:41:51 PM »
i thougt the first 2 spiderman movies were good, like most people.

Thatguy sounds like he has a good handle on the superman characters...write a script!

every superman heiren contained except i think young superman

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« Reply #65 on: September 05, 2008, 12:07:52 AM »
This is a bit off the movie topic but how does "mild-manner" translate into "absolute doofus who can't hardly tie his shoes"?
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Re: Superman Reboot
« Reply #66 on: September 05, 2008, 12:36:43 AM »
Red Son is FTW.  It's about as FTW as you can be.
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« Reply #67 on: September 05, 2008, 12:37:18 AM »
This is a bit off the movie topic but how does "mild-manner" translate into "absolute doofus who can't hardly tie his shoes"?

Exactly!  Exactly.  GP is always right, this proves it.  Except sometimes she's wrong.

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« Reply #68 on: September 05, 2008, 01:47:52 AM »
Since when did the Spider-Man movies suck?  The first two were arguably the best superhero movies around until Iron Man and Dark Knight.  I understand the hatred for 3 (although I still like it OKAY, I kind of feel about it like I do X-3 to X-men 1/2.).
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Re: Superman Reboot
« Reply #69 on: September 05, 2008, 02:31:53 AM »
Since when did the Spider-Man movies suck?  The first two were arguably the best superhero movies around until Iron Man and Dark Knight.
 
You must be forgetting Batman: The Movie starring Adam West. (And Dick Tracy, if that counts as a superhero movie.)
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« Reply #70 on: September 05, 2008, 04:56:42 PM »
It counts as a comic book movie, right?
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« Reply #71 on: September 05, 2008, 05:28:55 PM »
DEFINITELY

That movie was the shiznittlebamsnipsnapsack!
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« Reply #72 on: September 05, 2008, 05:38:20 PM »
So, same thing. It's like 300.
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« Reply #73 on: September 05, 2008, 06:43:30 PM »
Red Son is FTW.  It's about as FTW as you can be.

oh did you read it all?

boy that was one hell of a story. I loved how they squeezed Green lantern corp and Batman into that story. Batman in that story was almost like V for Vendetta.

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« Reply #74 on: September 05, 2008, 06:58:00 PM »
This is a bit off the movie topic but how does "mild-manner" translate into "absolute doofus who can't hardly tie his shoes"?

Exactly!  Exactly.  GP is always right, this proves it.  Except sometimes she's wrong.

I personally thought of it like George Reeves's portrayal or Dean Cain's where Clark is mild-mannered in that he isn't really outspoken or outgoing but more shy, though he still is a respected reporter. The Christopher Reeve portrayal was way too campy and it was hard to imagine him being the least bit believable as a reporter. I understand they did that to really separate Superman from Clark but it was not a realistic separation, and seems to be quite different from the comics.
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