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Re: Superman Reboot
« Reply #25 on: August 26, 2008, 02:07:30 AM »
I disagree. I think Iron Man and The Dark Knight were successful because they didn't ape the comic book form. They translated the characters and story for cinema, but not the medium from whence they came.

Come to think of it, Iron Man had a great lighter-but-realistic tone that I think would work well for a Superman movie.

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« Reply #26 on: August 26, 2008, 02:51:22 AM »
saying their going to make superman dark is like saying they are going to make spiderman dark. They're about the same tone. I just hope they don't just bastardize superman. Although come to think of it  Superman is a bastard.
The question is can they make superman cool? When i was little i loved superman.

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they can't make superman darker, but they can make him deeper. Maybe he should be cooler like james bond or indianna jones, and bang a few more girls then Lois. Maybe he should be sexier...fucking Lois outside of Teri Hatcher has been a 2-d character, Small ville is still on the air!

im going to be at my parents for a week i'm thinking about writing a graphic novel..but not a superman one :) Maybe DC will like it :)
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« Reply #27 on: August 26, 2008, 12:12:59 PM »
Maybe he could be Afro-American.

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« Reply #28 on: August 26, 2008, 03:17:11 PM »
that seems too political. There have been a couple remakes where that made a great difference in character like Nick Fury, kingpin, but i don't see that working in Superman's case. We already have a black superman movie. That was Hancock.
When they made batman begins they didn't make batman darker, they made him deeper.

the last superman i thought was visually pretty good except a few flaws

Brandon Routh was pale in Reeves footprints, Reeve wasn't even the first choice for the part, they need someone ridiculously ripped.

Lois sucked, she was 2d, no personality, at least Teri Hatcher was sexy and sassy on Lois and Clark. Here is where the movie failed. Without interesting characters the movie isn't interesting.

Create some over arching philosophy. spiderman and batman movies have a message. I really can't see the message in some superman movies

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Re: Superman Reboot
« Reply #29 on: August 26, 2008, 04:43:18 PM »
This new series should be note for like what they're doing for Batman:

Superman Starts
The Man of Steel
3rd Movie

Only, with brighter colors.
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« Reply #30 on: August 26, 2008, 05:18:07 PM »
I actually liked Superman Returns quite a bit, so I'm disappointed with this news.  I understand that it had plenty of faults, but I wish they would work with the established movie-verse and improve the series as a whole rather than simply saying "Eh, it ONLY made 400 million dollars, REBOOT!".

Brandon Routh is a great replacement for Reeve, and Brian Singer is a very capable director who probably should have just made more of his own movie rather than a tribute to the first two Supermans.  I also enjoyed Spacey as Luthor.  It would just be a shame to see them go.
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« Reply #31 on: August 26, 2008, 07:04:51 PM »
I hope they reconsider. I thought Superman Returns was a well-made movie. I really liked the idea of the main conflict and opposition in the film being the passage of time and that being the one thing Superman cannot overcome. Returns was more of a character piece than a full-blown action movie which some people didn't like. It lacked action, but it approached Superman in a different way. My problem was the length, mostly due to the movie being both an origin story and not an origin story. Singer chose to reintroduce Superman, but already as Superman (flashbacks to his childhood were just unnecessary).

I guess I don't understand the purpose of a reboot. Critics loved Returns and it made $400 million. How is that grounds for a reboot? On top of that, Returns itself kind of restarted the franchise anyway.

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« Reply #32 on: August 26, 2008, 07:41:20 PM »
They have to make Superman teh hardcorez to be respected like Batman.
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« Reply #33 on: August 26, 2008, 07:51:21 PM »
I think those of you pointing to the Superman animated series (and Justice League) as proof that dark Superman works are missing the point.  Do you honestly think movie company executives are going to make something on par with that?  I assume they want like Superman Xtreme.  Maybe it CAN be done right but do you think it will particularly when those involved want to reboot the series despite the previous film being both a critical and financial success?  I see it just as "make it like Batman because Dark Knight is so popular" and I can't imagine anything good coming from that kind of attitude.

Though I have thought of something that could be cool.  If they made it so that Superman existed in the same world as the Batman movies (a bit of a stretch since those movies try to be "realistic") then you could make a film adaptation of Dark Knight Returns. :)

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« Reply #34 on: August 26, 2008, 07:55:54 PM »
Yeah SUperman was a huge success, it barely managed to pass 200 million domestically and didn't even hit 400 million internationally, topped with a 250+ million dollar budget. Wow, amazing! The movie really limped to the finish line and it is not surprise why they feel they need to go another direction.
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« Reply #35 on: August 26, 2008, 10:47:51 PM »
"Go in a different direction" could easily mean "NOT spend $250 million" instead of "reboot the entire series."

What sucks about starting/restarting a franchise is the origin story. That's always the weakest part.

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« Reply #36 on: August 27, 2008, 02:08:54 AM »
If they do a complete reboot, I would hope that they avoided the origin story entirely.  Let's jump in to see Superman already as Superman, already kicking ass 'Cause he is X-Treme now., and mention/show/reveal bits and pieces of his backstory throughout the movie/series. 

There's no reason to make the first half of the film his origin story, everyone and their grandmother (and probably their grandmother's mother) knows the origin of Superman.
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« Reply #37 on: August 27, 2008, 02:57:43 AM »
If they do a complete reboot, I would hope that they avoided the origin story entirely.  Let's jump in to see Superman already as Superman, already kicking ass 'Cause he is X-Treme now., and mention/show/reveal bits and pieces of his backstory throughout the movie/series. 

There's no reason to make the first half of the film his origin story, everyone and their grandmother (and probably their grandmother's mother) knows the origin of Superman.

exactly, iv head the superman backstory like 10 times now, no more!
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« Reply #38 on: August 27, 2008, 05:59:41 AM »
"Go in a different direction" could easily mean "NOT spend $250 million" instead of "reboot the entire series."

What sucks about starting/restarting a franchise is the origin story. That's always the weakest part.

This I agree with 100%, I really hate the origin story. It eats up too much time and you have to expect the movie will barely touch (at least in the context of the total running time) on the crime fighting/superhero aspect of the character.

MAYBE the new Superman will do what they did with the Incredible Hulk, they "reboot" it but don't bother with the origin story.
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« Reply #39 on: August 27, 2008, 12:11:57 PM »
I've never understood why people crap on origin stories.  Everywhere it seems like they're treated like this necessary evil that restricts the first film.  I always kind that stuff really interesting.  But then I like story and characterization and stuff like that so I can understand if Joe Blow "the best part was when he kicked the guy!" mainstream movie viewer doesn't like it.  But it seems that everyone craps on origins but myself and my brothers.

Though orgin stories can be done poorly.  In Mad Max 90% of the movie is his origin and then he kicks ass for like five minutes and the movie's over.  Just when the film starts rolling it ends like they had to make the movie exactly 90 minutes and rushed the ending to fit it.

I like the long origin in the first Superman movie but it did it so well that we really don't need to see it done again in that level of detail.  But a quick intro where you see a meteorite hit the ground and his parents finding a super powered baby could do the trick.

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« Reply #40 on: August 27, 2008, 03:07:17 PM »
yeah, its not that nobody likes the origin story, its just Superman is still oversaturated to have his origin story shown, even returns had excerpts from the origin story.

Superman should fight robots, that would be kickass. Thousands of weak robots and one super robot
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« Reply #41 on: August 27, 2008, 03:32:22 PM »
Or zombies.
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« Reply #42 on: August 27, 2008, 05:40:39 PM »
yeah, its not that nobody likes the origin story, its just Superman is still oversaturated to have his origin story shown, even returns had excerpts from the origin story.

Don't mind Ian, he likes to misinterpret what people are actually saying in order to validate sly allusions to his superior tastes and thinking power.

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« Reply #43 on: August 27, 2008, 05:57:33 PM »
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Don't mind Ian, he likes to misinterpret what people are actually saying in order to validate sly allusions to his superior tastes and thinking power.

Screw off!  I actually do like origin stories and legitimately don't understand what people don't like about them.

The origin story hate is something I encounter on a lot of boards and even from some professional critics.

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« Reply #44 on: August 27, 2008, 06:04:07 PM »
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« Reply #45 on: August 27, 2008, 09:09:20 PM »
its not that theres a hate for it, its just that every single time they reintroduce superman there are bits of the origin story. I watched superman the movie again like the other day and the origin is awesome. Small Ville the series is like Superman's origin extended over 8 seasons. Maybe this next movie should leave it out, but on the other hand if its a trilogy maybe they can have it on part 2 or 3.

For instance in Dark Night joker didn't have an origin story, they left it out, but it worked out for the better. Batman Begins however was the best origin story in its series. Iron Man wasn't a popular enough character at the time, so they needed one. The new hulk rebooted, but they left out the origin story...if they had left it in it would have been too similar to the last movie..which sucked. Spiderman had an origin story, but Spiderman had never recieved the full treatment. Superman has had 4 tv shows, 3-or 4 cartoons, like 6 to 8 movies. Two of the tv shows were exclusively his early years. I liked Lois and Clark, but it was easy to forget that it was about Superman. I never watched Small ville because it was never lined up with my schedule, but getting it on DVD sounds appealing.
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« Reply #46 on: August 27, 2008, 09:45:36 PM »
To be fair, the Joker doesn't have a REAL origin story. Yeah, there's the whole "Red Hood" thing, but that's not 100% cannon. The best part about that Joker was how it played on the fact that the comic Joker doesn't have a real origin story. He changed the story of how he got his scars around, and so too does comic Joker make up his origins to suit his needs at the time.

Also, Batman Begins worked as an origin story because it wasn't rushed in to get to the action, thusly ruining it. It integrated the action right on in there.
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« Reply #47 on: August 28, 2008, 08:11:02 AM »
If they don't attempt to make superman himself look like a walking orgasm again then we will be all the better for it.
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« Reply #48 on: August 28, 2008, 12:03:02 PM »
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« Reply #49 on: August 28, 2008, 06:48:34 PM »
There's nothing inherently wrong with the origin story. Rather, the problem, in most cases, is that, more often than not, it doesn't need to be told, especially in a movie when you have, on most occassions, 90 to 110 minutes to tell a complete story. I felt it worked best in Batman Begins. In every other comic book movie, it seems like evil rises conveniently after the hero gains his powers or becomes the hero. Evil exists only because the hero, who needs an external antagonist to have a purpose, exists. However, in Batman Begins, villainy creates Batman. There's a history to this world; evil existed before the hero, not because of him. Gotham's decadence ultimately leads to Bruce Wayne's path to becoming Batman.

In The Dark Knight, do we need the Joker's origin? The answer is simply no. It didn't make a damn difference because audiences are told what they need to know and nothing more: The Joker is crazy and he's f*cking up Gotham. It might make an interesting story, but ultimately it's extraneous. The current Batman series is the only one with a justifiable origin story because it's the only one that needed to be told in order for the story to work rather than simply being extended exposition.

Superman Returns almost had it right but Bryan Singer just couldn't resist the urge to include all those pointless scenes of Clark Kent discovering his powers. It poses the question, "Does the world need Superman?" but never fully realized the potential that a question like that can offer. Metropolis seemed perfectly fine without Superman, then he returns and conveniently here comes Lex Luthor's evil plot.