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« Reply #100 on: July 27, 2008, 08:22:19 PM »
Hmm, I've not read much about CivRev. It stands to figure that it's been dumbeddown though. That's too bad.

The problem I have with Wii controls for the FPS genre is not only an issue of precision, but also speed. In the time it takes to turn to the side, you'd have already been shot in any normal FPS. I like being able to do a 360, instagib two people with my railgun, and sweep up the Quad Damage all with the flick of my wrist. :P
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« Reply #101 on: July 27, 2008, 08:33:54 PM »
Medal of Honor includes a bunch of settings you can tweak, like a PC FPS. If you think you're turning too slowly just shrink the width of the bounding box and increase your turning speed. The previews I've read indicate that the same kind of options are in The Conduit.
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« Reply #102 on: July 27, 2008, 09:57:56 PM »
The Conduit does look promising! I can't convince myself to pay for a WWII shooter however, so Medal of Honor will remain a mystery. Any idea how Metroid Prime 3 handled?
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« Reply #103 on: July 27, 2008, 10:26:10 PM »
PC gaming is fine, but there's a lot of overhead.  You'll have to upgrade your graphics card every couple of years (and you may have to upgrade your power supply to support it), and then at some point you have to upgrade your motherboard (at which point you might as well buy a new machine).  On top of that you have to deal with graphics drivers.  That's all well and good if you're a hardware person, but it's a big pain in the ass if you're not.

Boasting about the superiority of gaming on custom-made PCs is like talking trash about a Mustang GT straight out of the factory because it isn't as good as a Mustang GT that Chip Foose just totally kitted out on Overhaulin'.  Duh, of course it's better, it's entirely custom-made.  But a lot of work went into it to get it to that stage, and that isn't work that everybody is willing to do or pay for.

With a console, you're pretty much buying a ready-made high-end gaming PC.  It won't be the best platform out there forever, but it'll be pretty darn good for a while.  And, since the hardware is static, as time goes on developers can maximize what they get out of it.  With the PC, developers are always coding towards specs that Nvidia or ATI are releasing a year down the line, so no matter what hardware you have, you're always out of date.  The fact that games from three years back don't even run very well on my PC (which isn't wildly out of date) doesn't make me want to hop into the PC arms race.

So yeah, I could spend $500 and build a decent gaming PC, but why bother?  Just to be able to control an FPS with a mouse?  I could care less, especially when all of my friends are playing FPS's on their 360's and PS3s anyways.  I could build a PC and get the pure, uncut, unadulterated, real-deal FPS experience, but I'd be doing it by myself.

Besides, gaming with a keyboard and mouse just isn't comfortable.  You can make it more comfortable, sure, but you have to buy - guess what - more equipment.
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« Reply #104 on: July 27, 2008, 11:02:36 PM »
Look what you did, Morari, you put me in a position where I have to agree with Lindemann. Thanks a lot.
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« Reply #105 on: July 28, 2008, 04:37:32 AM »
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I think you're just as condescending when you classify EVERY first-person shooter as generic, and not worth the time unless it's being played on a PC.

I don't believe I said every FPS was generic, but the vast majority are. Seriously can you name, let's say, three FPS shooters that actually innovated and evolved the genre beyond basic technical/visual upgrades like more people online or prettier graphics/physics? For example I LOVE yes LOVE Crysis yet it is far from being unique beyond some innovative additions to difficulty levels (Which do more than make enemies harder and you more susceptible to damage). I would even call Crysis generic because it doesn't do much for the genre beyond visuals/physics.

I'm looking for something in the gameplay that truly has helped change the genre or provides a base for future evolution, not new game modes (unless they are innovative game modes). If you cannot find 3 games that do this, I think my point still stands about how generic the genre has become. If most genres had as many games in it as the FPS genre 3 games should be easy to spot. So this is my challenge to you!

Also I do stand by my statement that ALL FPS games are inferior to their PC counterparts in control and if you have the choice it would be best to get the PC one. We'll see how Mirror's Edge does it, maybe it will be the exception.
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Re: Raise Your Standards
« Reply #106 on: July 28, 2008, 04:59:37 AM »
Wii controls are much better than PC controls I reckon

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« Reply #107 on: July 28, 2008, 05:20:27 AM »
I could care less, especially when all of my friends are playing FPS's on their 360's and PS3s anyways. 
You need better friends.
I could build a PC and get the pure, uncut, unadulterated, real-deal FPS experience, but I'd be doing it by myself.
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« Reply #108 on: July 28, 2008, 10:09:25 AM »
Wii controls are much better than PC controls I reckon

And if not better, they are certainly more fun and more visceral.
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« Reply #109 on: July 28, 2008, 02:01:38 PM »
I'm going to reply to this point by point... Not because I want to break down your argument or anything, just so I can properly address everything within context. ;)


PC gaming is fine, but there's a lot of overhead.  You'll have to upgrade your graphics card every couple of years (and you may have to upgrade your power supply to support it), and then at some point you have to upgrade your motherboard (at which point you might as well buy a new machine).  On top of that you have to deal with graphics drivers.  That's all well and good if you're a hardware person, but it's a big pain in the ass if you're not.

There isn't any more overhead than there is with a console. In fact, if you plan your system correctly, there is a lot less as you often times won't have to build a completely new system but just replace a part here or there. Video cards depend largely upon what games you're playing and how you're playing them. If you time your purchases correctly, a decent mid-range video card should perform very well for at least a few years. Will you get bleeding edge performance out of it? Probably not, but then again you don't see that on consoles either. As far as power supplies and motherboards go, those should not have to be upgraded very often at all unless you have a poorly planned system. Laziness seems to be the enemy here more so than anything, and that assumption only seems truer from your remarks given graphics drivers. New drivers don't come out all that often (perhaps a few times a year at most) and they are hardly a hassle at all--just a few clicks. This is no different than updating your Wii's firmware, keeping your firewall up to date, checking the oil in your car, etc.

Boasting about the superiority of gaming on custom-made PCs is like talking trash about a Mustang GT straight out of the factory because it isn't as good as a Mustang GT that Chip Foose just totally kitted out on Overhaulin'.  Duh, of course it's better, it's entirely custom-made.  But a lot of work went into it to get it to that stage, and that isn't work that everybody is willing to do or pay for.

A lot of work is not exactly something I would equate to piecing together your own computer. A dozen screws and some plugs is a far cry from supping up your hot rod. Besides, muscles cars have no real purpose, as the roads have speed limits. A well built computer will be great for not only gaming, but also photo manipulation, video editing, graphic design, etc. Hell, depending on what you're running now, it may even show a boost as far as loading your e-mail client goes!

With a console, you're pretty much buying a ready-made high-end gaming PC.  It won't be the best platform out there forever, but it'll be pretty darn good for a while.  And, since the hardware is static, as time goes on developers can maximize what they get out of it.  With the PC, developers are always coding towards specs that Nvidia or ATI are releasing a year down the line, so no matter what hardware you have, you're always out of date.  The fact that games from three years back don't even run very well on my PC (which isn't wildly out of date) doesn't make me want to hop into the PC arms race.

You are not buying a high-end gaming PC when purchasing a console. Consoles can do very little outside of play games, and usually quite poorly when they do. Your own computer may not be very old, but age doesn't necessarily mean much when talking about specs. Just because a lot of games are geared toward the future doesn't mean that they aren't scalable. PC games have options about settings for a reason, so you can play at console-level graphics or experience the whole shebang. There is no more an arms race on the PC than there is on consoles, the difference is that you are responsible for planning the upgrades to your system, not Sony or Nintendo.

So yeah, I could spend $500 and build a decent gaming PC, but why bother?  Just to be able to control an FPS with a mouse?  I could care less, especially when all of my friends are playing FPS's on their 360's and PS3s anyways.  I could build a PC and get the pure, uncut, unadulterated, real-deal FPS experience, but I'd be doing it by myself.

You need a better class of friends then. Or at least to learn what it is that makes the internet and LAN parties work so wonderfully. Besides, the PC has far more to offer than just the FPS genre. Oh, and you don't have to pay to redownload and play your old games! Want to pop in Wolfenstein 3D? A compatibility layer is all that's stopping you from installing from the original floppy!

Besides, gaming with a keyboard and mouse just isn't comfortable.  You can make it more comfortable, sure, but you have to buy - guess what - more equipment.

You should already own a comfortable desk and chair if you do any sort of work on the computer as is. I prefer wrists pads as well, but that's just my opinion. You're doing the technology a grave disservice by relegating your PC to the corner of the living room and sitting it atop that card table. It's sad that youngsters will buy $300 cell phones, go in debt to afford gas-guzzling vehicles and flimsy diplomas, but won't make use of what is the single most inspiring technology in a long time simply due to perceived price points. Look beyond just gaming--PCs aren't limited to that, they're literal tools of creativity, even if MySpace and YouTube would like you to think different.
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« Reply #110 on: July 28, 2008, 02:20:57 PM »
I need better friends?  What an absurd statement to make.  You don't know me, or my friends, just like I don't know you guys.  Enough with the personal attacks.

Morari, it's obvious you love PCs.  That's awesome.  However, not everybody wants to be bothered with doing the research necessary to figure out what they need to upgrade their machine, just like some people just want to buy a car that works and don't want to do any performance enhancements.  And I'm not lazy - I just upgraded my PC's graphics card, power supply, RAM, and CPU, and I'll probably build another PC in the next year or so from the ground up - but that doesn't mean I want to do that as an ongoing bi-annual project.

With consoles you have a very low barrier to entry.  Console gaming might not be the "optimal" experience in the eyes of PC gamers, but for those unable or unwilling to invest their time, money, and patience in build a gaming rig, consoles are a Godsend.
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« Reply #111 on: July 28, 2008, 02:27:19 PM »
Ugh, its not even worth going through the effort to argue with you on the points you have listed. Glad you like PC gaming, but if it was so viable, easy, and fun, why don't more people do it? I won't argue with you on the merits of a keyboard and mouse for FPS/Strategy/MMO games I think they are the best (though the Wii's pointing abilities have the power to trump even those), but clearly not everyone requires those controls to have fun, so realistically they are only as good as the person using them.

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« Reply #112 on: July 28, 2008, 02:42:12 PM »
I need better friends?  What an absurd statement to make.  You don't know me, or my friends, just like I don't know you guys.  Enough with the personal attacks.

I just realized he was talking about me because I'm your friend Lindy! So I feel insulted too :-P
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« Reply #113 on: July 28, 2008, 03:02:18 PM »
I need better friends?  What an absurd statement to make.  You don't know me, or my friends, just like I don't know you guys.  Enough with the personal attacks.

Morari, it's obvious you love PCs.  That's awesome.  However, not everybody wants to be bothered with doing the research necessary to figure out what they need to upgrade their machine, just like some people just want to buy a car that works and don't want to do any performance enhancements.  And I'm not lazy - I just upgraded my PC's graphics card, power supply, RAM, and CPU, and I'll probably build another PC in the next year or so from the ground up - but that doesn't mean I want to do that as an ongoing bi-annual project.

With consoles you have a very low barrier to entry.  Console gaming might not be the "optimal" experience in the eyes of PC gamers, but for those unable or unwilling to invest their time, money, and patience in build a gaming rig, consoles are a Godsend.

It wasn't meant as a personal attack... the stuck-out tongue emocon simply didn't find its way into the sentence afterwards. My bad. But really, don't people research what console they're going to buy? What HD television they're going to use with it? What games to pick up? I think wanting something that "just works" is a cop out, and is certainly a funny statement on a forum that so often see complaints about casual gamers dumbing down the industry. Ease of use is fine, but when someone else is making inferior decisions for you it becomes questionable whether or not it's worth the risk. Only the most hardcore of enthusiasts will modify their rig bi-annually. That's not what I'm advocating, as that is a waste of time and money.

Also, could you please tell me what this car is that "just works"? I'd love to buy one, because I'm tired of my current ride. I'm always having to change the oil, top off the brake fluid, check the tire pressure, change the brake pads, etc. I'd really like one of those cars that "just works"! Perhaps that's the parallel you're trying to make though? I'm perfectly capable of doing almost all the required work and maintenance on my vehicle, whereas most would simply pay the premium and have a mechanic do it for them (while ripping them off and giving sub par service) to save themselves time and effort in learning what it takes to survive.
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« Reply #114 on: July 28, 2008, 03:34:38 PM »
It wasn't meant as a personal attack... the stuck-out tongue emocon simply didn't find its way into the sentence afterwards. My bad.

It's all good.

But really, don't people research what console they're going to buy? What HD television they're going to use with it? What games to pick up? I think wanting something that "just works" is a cop out, and is certainly a funny statement on a forum that so often see complaints about casual gamers dumbing down the industry.

But we're talking about video game hardware, not the games themselves.  Even with the TV example, sure you research the TV, but you aren't picking and assembling its parts yourself.  It's not like you buy a TV, and then swap out the transistors for something that lasts longer.  A TV is just like a game console: it's a pre-packaged collection of pre-selected components.  You can research the difference between a 360 and a PS3, but you aren't going to build either one from a collection of parts.

When you buy a toaster, do you want one made of the best parts, or one that just works?  It's a silly comparison, but to some people a video game console is a similar type of purchase.  I plug it in, it plays games.  They don't want anything more complicated than that. 

Ease of use is fine, but when someone else is making inferior decisions for you it becomes questionable whether or not it's worth the risk. Only the most hardcore of enthusiasts will modify their rig bi-annually. That's not what I'm advocating, as that is a waste of time and money.

They're inferior decisions only if you care about them.  Some people just don't care if they have a card with SLI or without SLI, because they don't even care what SLI is.

Also, could you please tell me what this car is that "just works"? I'd love to buy one, because I'm tired of my current ride. I'm always having to change the oil, top off the brake fluid, check the tire pressure, change the brake pads, etc. I'd really like one of those cars that "just works"! Perhaps that's the parallel you're trying to make though? I'm perfectly capable of doing almost all the required work and maintenance on my vehicle, whereas most would simply pay the premium and have a mechanic do it for them (while ripping them off and giving sub par service) to save themselves time and effort in learning what it takes to survive.

But what you're saying about building a PC isn't just "changing the oil".  The equivalent to that would be applying Windows OS updates.  Upgrading your PC is more like putting in a new transmission or exhaust system.  Are you going to do that yourself?  You technically could, but you're going need a lot of time, space, expertise, and proper equipment to do so.
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« Reply #115 on: July 28, 2008, 04:22:56 PM »
Okay, an imperfect analogy, fair enough. I did just change out the engine of one of my cars last month however. It took three days and the help of a friend (I had to borrow his hydraulic lift), but it was not as complicated as many would think. A few days of my time is more than made up for in the hundreds of dollars saved by not paying someone else to do it, or the thousands saved by not simply buying a different car. As is, I only had to buy the new (to me) engine and fluids... well, and oil pump, as I went ahead and took care of that while the motor was out and up in the air. This all from someone who is not a "car guy" by any means.

The thing is--and you know this since you said you build your own computers--is that unscrewing a board here and there to upgrade a component is simple as pie. Guidelines can easily be found for those not wanting to put the effort into figuring out compatibility. People that are unappreciative of the potential of PCs (in general, not just gaming) generally aren't so because of a lack of time or money. Usually it comes down to them simply not caring or not knowing in the first place. That's where the problem is as I see it. People can't make informed decisions on what they want because they don't know what is out there for them.

I like consoles and have owned at least one from every generation since the Atari. They will never replace computers however, and the fact that many try hard to be more PC-like is a very telling fact. I get consoles that offer games that you generally won't find on the PC, and for that I love the Wii. The sad state of affairs is that many developers have abandoned ship and now develop their games with consoles in mind because they are easier and cheaper to do so with (even if they try to scream "piracy"). You don't have to worry about a variety of setups and you're guaranteed an instant base of consumers. This has hurt a lot of classic PC games at the design level, a recent example being The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion. Aspects of each were simplified, or at least modified, to work best on a console while neglecting what would be better on the PC side. This practically forces people that want to game to purchase a console, even if they do have a perfectly good PC (that they primarily use for equally demanding applications, such as video editing or 3D animation). This kind of rationale is expensive for the PC gamer just as much as breaking into PC gaming would be to the console fan.

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« Reply #116 on: July 28, 2008, 05:11:50 PM »
Dude, you're a tech guy.  That's obvious.  Most people don't even want to CHANGE THE OIL in their cars, let alone replace the engine.  How do you think Jiffy Lube continues to exist?  That's right, because they do something that people don't want to do or (think they) can't do on their own.  Computers are simple to put together for us...IMHO it's no different than setting up a stereo system, but I bet that we both know plenty of people that are scared to even do that.

Oblivion was definitely dumbed down for consoles.  I haven't jumped into it yet, but as a side project I'm playing through Morrowind on PC and it seems much less handhold-ish.

Adjusted racks - I'll have to look into that.  What brand did you buy, out of curiosity?
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« Reply #117 on: July 28, 2008, 07:02:43 PM »
Adjusted racks - I'll have to look into that.  What brand did you buy, out of curiosity?

It was a "Krups"... I wouldn't be able to tell you the model number though, as that kind of stuff was printed on the bottom on the crumb tray and was not as "dishwasher safe" as the rest of the exterior. :P

I suppose though that it wouldn't actually be "adjustable racks" but "adjustable bread guards" or something to that extent. Racks makes it sound too much like a toaster oven.
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« Reply #118 on: July 28, 2008, 07:32:47 PM »
Evan needs to take the last few posts and split them off into their own topic like he used to do, in General Chat, Official Toaster Discussion.
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« Reply #119 on: July 28, 2008, 07:51:53 PM »
No, no, no! No Official Toaster Discussion! I'll put it back on topic... sort of!

Oblivion was definitely dumbed down for consoles.  I haven't jumped into it yet, but as a side project I'm playing through Morrowind on PC and it seems much less handhold-ish.

Morrowind was my favorite installment to the series, and only got better after install Tribunal and (especially) Bloodmoon. If nothing else, it had a much better atmosphere than Oblivion. Whereas Oblivion is mostly set in a generic fantasy / Gecko-Roman area, Morrowind is full of desolate wastelands and bizarre architecture. That's not to say that Oblivion didn't do some things right (like fixing the damn journal system!), but Morrowind is still better, and is easily the definitive Elder Scrolls experience once you throw a few mods on top of it.
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« Reply #120 on: July 28, 2008, 08:31:54 PM »
Evan needs to take the last few posts and split them off into their own topic like he used to do, in General Chat, Official Toaster Discussion.

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« Reply #121 on: July 28, 2008, 09:19:02 PM »
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« Reply #122 on: July 28, 2008, 10:23:30 PM »
Morrowind was my favorite installment to the series, and only got better after install Tribunal and (especially) Bloodmoon. If nothing else, it had a much better atmosphere than Oblivion. Whereas Oblivion is mostly set in a generic fantasy / Gecko-Roman area, Morrowind is full of desolate wastelands and bizarre architecture. That's not to say that Oblivion didn't do some things right (like fixing the damn journal system!), but Morrowind is still better, and is easily the definitive Elder Scrolls experience once you throw a few mods on top of it.

I think the stuff that people complain about with Morrowind isn't bad at all.  Inventory, journals, it's not very streamlined, but I've been playing RPGs for so long that I can put up with damn near anything.  I have a high tolerance for stuff (that's how I handled beating Final Fantasy I a couple of times).
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« Reply #123 on: July 28, 2008, 10:34:32 PM »
Morrowind was my favorite installment to the series, and only got better after install Tribunal and (especially) Bloodmoon. If nothing else, it had a much better atmosphere than Oblivion. Whereas Oblivion is mostly set in a generic fantasy / Gecko-Roman area, Morrowind is full of desolate wastelands and bizarre architecture. That's not to say that Oblivion didn't do some things right (like fixing the damn journal system!), but Morrowind is still better, and is easily the definitive Elder Scrolls experience once you throw a few mods on top of it.

I think the stuff that people complain about with Morrowind isn't bad at all.  Inventory, journals, it's not very streamlined, but I've been playing RPGs for so long that I can put up with damn near anything.  I have a high tolerance for stuff (that's how I handled beating Final Fantasy I a couple of times).

Morrowind is an amazing game, I really should play it again! Though I think Oblivion is even more amazing.
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Re: Raise Your Standards
« Reply #124 on: July 28, 2008, 11:36:48 PM »
I think the stuff that people complain about with Morrowind isn't bad at all.  Inventory, journals, it's not very streamlined, but I've been playing RPGs for so long that I can put up with damn near anything.  I have a high tolerance for stuff (that's how I handled beating Final Fantasy I a couple of times).

I thought that the inventory generally fine, and it's departure was actually one of the worst decisions made in Oblivion. The journal was never very helpful though, especially as I found myself venturing off onto side quests near constantly. My clipboard, notebook paper and ink pen did a far better job at keeping me informed about objective. Heh.
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