Topic: So...the Dark Knight?

[DAaaMan64]

(maybe starwars but not really)

LOL Return of the Jedi is the best one in the whole series.

[NWR_insanolord]

There are plenty of people who hate Return of the Jedi, most people considered it the worst of them until the prequels came out.

Also, Star Trek III isn't hated, it's universally believed to be the best odd-numbered Trek movie.

[DAaaMan64]

There are plenty of people who hate Return of the Jedi, most people considered it the worst of them until the prequels came out.

Also, Star Trek III isn't hated, it's universally believed to be the best odd-numbered Trek movie.

Are you serious? wow I never knew enough people to say "plenty" of people dislike Return of Jedi. It's got the best production values and perfectly wraps it up.  I guess people probably just hate the Ewoks too much.

[ShyGuy]

Hmm, the third movie surpassing the first two? I don't think it's ever been done. To be fair, few sequels surpass the first one, but The Dark Knight definitely took it up a notch.

Now that I think about it, Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade surpassed Temple of Doom in most peoples eyes.

[Maverick]

Return Of The Jedi is the weakest of the original trilogy.  I would even put it behind Phantom Menace.  I actually liked the prequels though, so I'm probably in the minority on this one.

And most people definitely prefer The Last Crusade to The Temple Of Doom.  Temple of Doom is watchable, but not a very good movie all things considered.  I would rather watch Crystal Skulls than Temple Of Doom.

I think it's easier for people to get excited about the third films in a series when the second film doesn't quite satisfy.  Look at Episode III compared to Episode II.  Many people still didn't like it, but those of us who did enjoy the prequels would probably list that as the best one.  Now that The Dark Knight is going to be such a huge hit and loved by almost everyone, it's going to be very hard to follow that up, especially with two of the most marketable villains already out of the game.  I'm sure I'll love the movie though, as I've been infatuated with both the new Batman movies.  Some people have been speculating that they don't even need to have a villain for the third flick, with Batman "on the run" and all.  That would be a neat trick, to make a super-hero movie with no villain but was still great.  I think this team could pull it off.  They haven't let me down at all so far.

[Svevan]

(maybe starwars but not really)

LOL Return of the Jedi is the best one in the whole series.

No comment.

[DAaaMan64]

(maybe starwars but not really)

LOL Return of the Jedi is the best one in the whole series.

No comment.

No commenting on your no comment. I've seen your movies tastes.

[GoldenPhoenix]

(maybe starwars but not really)

LOL Return of the Jedi is the best one in the whole series.

No comment.

No commenting on your no comment. I've seen your movies tastes.

ROJ is my favorite Star Wars movie as well. Though it doesn't compare with Le Frenche de Trois that Evan probably loves.

[Svevan]

Again, as soon as I voice my opinion the thread becomes about how much everyone hates my taste: why is it that everyone knows all about how sucky my movie taste is when they haven't seen any of the movies I have?

/frustrated digression

[ShyGuy]

The internet is a cruel and unreasonable place.

But I'm going to name three things I like about Evan's taste in movies.

1. He appreciates The Dark Knight, the greatest film of the year.
2. He likes the Bourne Supremacy, especially for it's powerful ending sequence.
3. He's willing to watch black and white and subtitled movies, which many of my friends are unwilling to do.

[Svevan]

coughsupremacycough

[ShyGuy]

Fixed!

[ShyGuy]

Words of affirmation is Evan's love language.

[Svevan]

Which makes me pathetic. Anyways, don't you think it's a bit early to call The Dark Knight the greatest film of the year? Like, there's six months to go.

[GoldenPhoenix]

Which makes me pathetic. Anyways, don't you think it's a bit early to call The Dark Knight the greatest film of the year? Like, there's six months to go.

I do because Wall-E still is

[DAaaMan64]

Which makes me pathetic. Anyways, don't you think it's a bit early to call The Dark Knight the greatest film of the year? Like, there's six months to go.

LOL from the guy that said all those 6 movies listed sucked.

[ShyGuy]

To get this back on Topic, I'm putting up pictures of the villians so far in the Nolanverse.

Zsasz


Ras Al Ghul


Scarecrow

Joker


Two Face


Who's next?

[Smakian]

Well, I think Al Ghul is definitely dead, because this version has nothing to do with the immortal comic/TAS version. Two-Face I think it's still open that he -could- come back, but due to the nature of his departure I think he is also dead.

I think Khushrenada is right on the money; Riddler is a strong possibility. It just can't be another crazy guy because we're not going to get a better psychopath than Ledger's Joker anytime soon. I could see him as a very calculating villain, playing lots of mind games, possibly not even present most of the time (think Die Hard 3 but better). Alternatively, Bane could potentially be done well. The Penguin, if anything, I think would turn up as a mob boss, a minor role like Zsasz. The Ventriloquist is similar but slightly harder to swallow. But the one that I think is almost assured is Catwoman, simply because they're probably going to want a new female lead in the next film, and she always makes for interesting interactions with Batman.

[GoldenPhoenix]

I want Mr. Freeze or Clayface, no substitutes will be accepted!

[mantidor]

I really wanted to see Harley Quinn but that's very doubtful to happen.

[ShyGuy]

Did someone say, Mr. Freeze?

[Smakian]

I want Mr. Freeze or Clayface, no substitutes will be accepted!

May I recommend The Animated Series then? Those versions are excellent, but Nolan's vision is more serious and I don't see those characters making an appearance.

I really wanted to see Harley Quinn but that's very doubtful to happen.

Harley is to Joker what Robin/Batgirl would be to Batman. She wouldn't fit, and even if there was a way to do her justice in the films, given Ledger's passing I think it's highly unlikely.

[GoldenPhoenix]

[q]May I recommend The Animated Series then? Those versions are excellent, but Nolan's vision is more serious and I don't see those characters making an appearance.[/q]

I've seen the Animated Series and I think it proved you can make those characters less comedic. In fact I would think Mr. Freeze, an extremely tragic character would make an excellent and disturbing edition to Nolan's Batman films if he is willing to go more supernatural in his villains. Heck kind of went part way with two face.

[Maverick]

Harley is to Joker what Robin/Batgirl would be to Batman. She wouldn't fit, and even if there was a way to do her justice in the films, given Ledger's passing I think it's highly unlikely.

I think there's something very serious about a young attractive woman who has devoted her life to and become obsessed over a raging lunatic such as The Joker. 

Plus she's hot.  Bewbs=$$$.

[Smakian]

Harley is to Joker what Robin/Batgirl would be to Batman. She wouldn't fit, and even if there was a way to do her justice in the films, given Ledger's passing I think it's highly unlikely.

I think there's something very serious about a young attractive woman who has devoted her life to and become obsessed over a raging lunatic such as The Joker. 

Plus she's hot.  Bewbs=$$$.

I'll say this- she'd have fit in great with Nicholson's Joker.

I've seen the Animated Series and I think it proved you can make those characters less comedic. In fact I would think Mr. Freeze, an extremely tragic character would make an excellent and disturbing edition to Nolan's Batman films if he is willing to go more supernatural in his villains. Heck kind of went part way with two face.

How is Two-Face supernatural? Severely scarred, yes, but there aren't as many huge suspensions of disbelief required as a guy in a freezing suit. Who is still an excellent character, he just doesn't fit the -tone- of these new films. Same reason I never want to see them try to shoehorn this Batman into a Justice League movie, no matter how bad they want to compete with the Avengers. It just doesn't work.

I think that the focus will continue to be on Batman vs. the mob in these films, and whatever villains are used will fit into that dynamic. Very interested to see where Nolan and Goyer take it next.