Author Topic: So...the Dark Knight? (Read 84190 times)

nickmitch · « **Reply #75 on:** July 26, 2008, 10:00:11 PM »

Batman Begins had kind of a stupid plot. What was the deal with the cave? It was a fucking cave for 2 seconds and then it was gone. And then every part with Ra's Al Ghul was disrespectful to the character. Right down to calling him "Raaz," which sounded weird every fucking time.

Maverick · « **Reply #76 on:** July 26, 2008, 10:30:40 PM »

What are you talking about with regards to the cave? I don't understand what you're referring to.

ShyGuy · « **Reply #77 on:** July 26, 2008, 11:26:05 PM »

The batcave is an integral part of the Batman Mythos. It also was a place to escape to during the fire.

ThePerm · « **Reply #78 on:** July 27, 2008, 01:32:05 AM »

in the comics the batcave/bruce manor has been destroyed..at which time bruce wayne did pretty much what he was doing: staying in a penthouse, and storing all his stuff in a big garage

Maverick · « **Reply #79 on:** July 27, 2008, 01:34:21 AM »

I'm still trying to figure out what nickmitch meant by "It was a fucking cave for 2 seconds and then it was gone."

GoldenPhoenix · « **Reply #80 on:** July 27, 2008, 04:10:14 AM »

Quote from: Maverick on July 27, 2008, 01:34:21 AM

I'm still trying to figure out what nickmitch meant by "It was a fucking cave for 2 seconds and then it was gone."

Didn't they fight in a cave or something when he was being trained?

Maverick · « **Reply #81 on:** July 27, 2008, 04:17:24 AM »

Not that I remember. I just remember the house and the ice-lake.

GoldenPhoenix · « **Reply #82 on:** July 27, 2008, 04:17:56 AM »

Quote from: Maverick on July 27, 2008, 04:17:24 AM

Not that I remember. I just remember the house and the ice-lake.

See now you are making me want to rewatch it again.

ShyGuy · « **Reply #83 on:** July 27, 2008, 04:21:20 AM »

Only cave in BB was the Batcave.

Maverick · « **Reply #84 on:** July 27, 2008, 04:40:22 AM »

Quote from: GoldenPhoenix on July 27, 2008, 04:17:56 AM

Quote from: Maverick on July 27, 2008, 04:17:24 AM
Not that I remember. I just remember the house and the ice-lake.

See now you are making me want to rewatch it again.

I actually just watched the "in-movie experience" Blu-Ray thing today. It was kind of cool, but I would have rather just watched a straight commentary. It was just scenes they filmed for a documentary that they lined up to make sense in context of what was happening in the film. I don't think I even found a traditional commentary on the Blu-Ray. Maybe I'm just blind.

EasyCure · « **Reply #85 on:** July 27, 2008, 12:57:24 PM »

Quote from: Maverick on July 27, 2008, 01:34:21 AM

I'm still trying to figure out what nickmitch meant by "It was a fucking cave for 2 seconds and then it was gone."

i think i know what he means, but nickmitch correct me if i'm wrong:

the batcave everyone knows and loves has always been Bruce's lair, a place where all his gadgets are stored/hidden away and where he does alot of his investigating. In BB the batcave is shown for a few seconds but all of batmans "toys" are stored at Wayne Enterprise's R&D facility. You don't see the batcave again until he's taking rachel back to get the antidotve for the drug she was about to OD on.

keep in mind i've only seen BB twice, on tv mind you, so maybe they took out stuff i missed? But thats the feeling i'm getting from what i saw in BB to what i saw in TDK. TDK had absolutely no batcave, correct?

nickmitch · « **Reply #86 on:** July 27, 2008, 01:26:00 PM »

That's exactly what I was referring to. There's that part where he finds the cave under his house, but then it's never mentioned or shown again. But now that Perm has reminded me of what happened in the comics, I no longer have a problem with it. Sorry for the confusion. I had seen it just before I saw The Dark Knight, so that bit was fresh in my mind, although it was obscure.

Calling him "Raaz" still pissed me off, though.

Maverick · « **Reply #87 on:** July 27, 2008, 02:20:14 PM »

I'd much rather they call him "Raaz" than hear his full name every time they referred to him. Then again, I'm not a comic nut and didn't even know about the character until that movie so I really didn't give a ****.

nickmitch · « **Reply #88 on:** July 27, 2008, 02:52:50 PM »

That's understandable, but I was a big fan of The Animated Series. Throughout TAS, he would be referred to as "Rache" without the Al-Ghul part.

Maverick · « **Reply #89 on:** July 27, 2008, 03:12:50 PM »

Ah, I see. I noticed all the comic book guys referring to him as "Rache" Al Ghul during the documentaries for Batman Begins, while the movie people referred to him as "Raaz".

I used to watch the animated series off and on, but was never a loyal follower, and had never even seen the character before. I did watch "Batman Beyond: Return Of The Joker" yesterday on Cartoon Network though. :-P

EasyCure · « **Reply #90 on:** July 27, 2008, 03:33:49 PM »

i wanted to watch that but my gf didnt seem very interested! ARGH!

Maverick · « **Reply #91 on:** July 27, 2008, 03:48:07 PM »

It was pretty entertaining. The plot was totally ridiculous, but there were cool scenes going back to TAS with Batman, Batgirl, and Robin vs. The Joker and Harley Quinn. The more Harley the better. Was worth watching for free on a lazy afternoon.

Terry McGuinness is a total douche-nugget though and not a worthy Batman at all.

mantidor · « **Reply #92 on:** July 27, 2008, 09:58:09 PM »

So I watched and I like it. It was a good movie, far from being the best movie ever as the internet wants to claim but it was really good.

And I liked the Joker, however I still missed some things. The spontaneity of the comic/animated Joker is put away somewhat in favor of "schemes", like the hostage/clown situation or the two boats stuff (with results that were frankly very predictable). Too much emphasis on morality with his actions, but I guess that was because of the two-faces character more than anything . However the Joker smile is just terrible, I would personally had left the scars open like in Pan's labyrinth, that would have been awesome, I also supposed this is why I couldn't see much of the Joker I'm used to know in Ledger's character, not enough smile, the make up didn't do much for me.

Oh also, Return of the Joker is the most awesome animated movie just for this scene. If I'm to believe the youtube comments the movie was heavily edited which is a damn shame, I saw this version some time ago without editing.

EasyCure · « **Reply #93 on:** July 27, 2008, 11:41:33 PM »

Quote from: Maverick on July 27, 2008, 03:48:07 PM

It was pretty entertaining. The plot was totally ridiculous, but there were cool scenes going back to TAS with Batman, Batgirl, and Robin vs. The Joker and Harley Quinn. The more Harley the better. Was worth watching for free on a lazy afternoon.

Terry McGuinness is a total douche-nugget though and not a worthy Batman at all.

my friends from work ruined the plot for me like a year ago or whenever it was, so i know the story but i'd still like to see it play out.

Maverick · « **Reply #94 on:** July 28, 2008, 12:37:40 AM »

Quote from: mantidor on July 27, 2008, 09:58:09 PM

Oh also, Return of the Joker is the most awesome animated movie just for this scene. If I'm to believe the youtube comments the movie was heavily edited which is a damn shame, I saw this version some time ago without editing.

Damn, that's way cooler than the version they show on TV. On the TV version Robin/J.J. accidentally kills Joker by making him electrify himself or something. That was way better. Now I need to see real version.

mantidor · « **Reply #95 on:** July 28, 2008, 01:48:41 PM »

Yeah it was pretty disturbing, but I don't know if they edited the rest of the movie as well, I don't recall anything like that. Probably the fights are better, longer and at least have some blood.

Now that I've given it some thought I can pinpoint exactly what I don't like about the Jokerin TDK. His insanity is too "normal". He shakes his head, he stumbles when walking, he repeats phrases, its basically like the mad people that swing back and forth in a corner while drooling, the usual picture of a mad man. The Joker is more like Hannibal Lecter in that even if their actions prove otherwise they act completely rational and calm.

EasyCure · « **Reply #96 on:** July 28, 2008, 02:12:33 PM »

Quote from: mantidor on July 28, 2008, 01:48:41 PM

Yeah it was pretty disturbing, but I don't know if they edited the rest of the movie as well, I don't recall anything like that. Probably the fights are better, longer and at least have some blood.

You can read some of the edits they did for the movie here]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Batman_Beyond:_Return_of_the_Joker#Re-editing]here if you like. Obviously theres spoilers for anyone that hasn't seen it.

Maverick · « **Reply #97 on:** July 28, 2008, 03:33:01 PM »

Damn, I hate censorship. There are a lot of stupid changes in there. "Oh no don't say "death" or "kill" to the children! They may have to accept mortality!"

ThePerm · « **Reply #98 on:** July 28, 2008, 04:20:23 PM »

in the dark knight Wayne and Alfred talk about how they can't wait for Wayne manor to be rebuilt. an obvious setup for the next movie

the same thing happened to the Ninja Turtles, which is why they lived at April's apartment at the beginning of part 2, but they found a kickass lair for part 3, but then part 3 sucked and they spent it in japan. Damnit if i were a movie producer i would just make a ninja turtle movie the old school way.

mantidor · « **Reply #99 on:** July 28, 2008, 04:41:38 PM »

The third movie will happen and will be inevitably hated by everyone. Is the curse of the third sequel and no sci-fi movie has escaped from it (maybe starwars but not really).

Personally I can't wait, since the villain of this one was good but didn't blow me away I'm more than willing to give other villains a chance.

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Author Topic: So...the Dark Knight? (Read 84190 times)