Author Topic: Factor 5 dissapointed in developers effort in the Wii's graphics (Read 16713 times)

Darkheart · « **on:** September 10, 2007, 02:02:42 PM »

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http://www.revogamers.net/articulos-184-Entrevista:-Eggebrecht-y-el-desarrollo-de-la-potencia-de-Wii-5.html

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originally said by Julian Eggebrecht.

- On publishers not taking advantage of the Wii’s power for graphics: “the traditional, more photorealistic route, because there you really have to push it, and they’re really not pushing it. Why not? Hmmm I don’t know, the hardware is very, very easy to understand. Now the problem might be –and it just might be- is that some studios -or some publishers specifically- are discarding the graphical capabilities automatically simply because it is a Wii title and they’re basically telling the developers “look, we won’t pay for any advanced graphics”.”

- On Wii’s “shaders” and possibilities:“If you connect you can get a lot of shader effects which would’ve been on the 360 or the PS3.” (…)”it’s got so much more power compared to the GameCube. If even with the extremely similar shader hardware, the system clockrate is so much higher, you can do so much more advanced things” (…)”in the photorealistic route there’re certain things which the basic structure of the graphics hardware was not meant for and which you have to find really clever tricks to basically make up.”

Of course its been said many times, Factor 5's Gamecube launch game Rogue Squadron still graphically is advanced more than Wii's second generation titles. I really hope that Factor 5 does come and make games for the Wii, they have been hinting at it forever. I know Lair was a major disappointment but lets face it Factor 5's track record on Nintendo has always been positive. They always push the hardware and create top notch titles.

I think the funny thing is that Julian suggested the idea to sell their gamecube engine and tools to other developers so they could get decent looking gamecube games done. . . . XD

Mashiro · « **Reply #1 on:** September 10, 2007, 02:07:29 PM »

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This thread delivers

Bill Aurion · « **Reply #2 on:** September 10, 2007, 02:08:37 PM »

I'm disappointed in Factor 5's effort in gameplay...

Darkheart · « **Reply #3 on:** September 10, 2007, 02:11:38 PM »

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This thread delivers

Sorry I originally had pictures of boobs repeated over and over but then I edited it out with a news story

. I will save the original for the hawtness thread someday.

Mashiro · « **Reply #4 on:** September 10, 2007, 02:11:57 PM »

If the original story is Factor 5 really critiquing developers on their graphics for Wii games . . . maybe that means Factor 5 is ready to make games on Wii again?

Edit: Reading story . . . (Np Dark)

Update after reading story: Interesting . . . good on factor 5 for saying how powerful the Wii can be!

ShyGuy · « **Reply #5 on:** September 10, 2007, 02:18:57 PM »

Darn it Bill beat me.

He has a point, but it seems 9 out of 10 vocal devs are idiots these days

UERD · « **Reply #6 on:** September 10, 2007, 03:15:40 PM »

Factor 5 has a good point. All you have to do is play Prime 3 to realize that the Wii's graphics hardware is not the fifty year old piece of junk its detractors claim it to be. I think people have the false perception that GC was the weakest console last generation, and that Wii is simply a souped-up GC, which means it falls miles behind the other two consoles in terms of performance. In fact, people say Wii's hardware is 2 or 3 times more powerful than GC. How much better could the 360 or PS3 possibly be over their last-gen counterparts? And more importantly, how much of that power are devvers exploiting right now? There is a performance gap, but it's not exactly a yawning performance chasm that's dooming the Wii to craptacular graphics even with the best artists and programmers.

Ultimately, I would probably have paid $450 for a powerful-hardware Wii with the exact same upcoming games lineup, only with prettier graphics. But that would mean giving up the current Wii's level of market penetration, third-party support, and a strategic foothold going into the next generation. And to be honest, if the 8th-generation Nintendo console really is coming out in 5 years, there won't be nearly enough time for Wii's graphical shortcomings to become glaringly apparent- it generally takes developers at least a year or two to start really utilizing the hardware to maximum capability. A lot of Wii developers don't have that problem (as the general architecture is the same as GC), which means Nintendo has bought them even more breathing room. Sony, if anyone, is screwed. They poured a heck of a lot of money into R&D making the 'same old' even better than before, hoping they'd be able to squeeze 10 years of console lifetime out of their investment- a pipe dream even in the best of circumstances. They have little to show this generation, and when Nintendo (and MS) demonstrate their newest innovations, they'll have even less to show.

So, ultimately, the $250-in-hardware Wii was a good business decision- not a graphical deal-breaker. Can't wait to see what comes next.

Smash_Brother · « **Reply #7 on:** September 10, 2007, 03:20:08 PM »

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Darn it Bill beat me.

He has a point, but it seems 9 out of 10 vocal devs are idiots these days

Darn, Shyguy beat me to Bill beating me to it.

Bill Aurion · « **Reply #8 on:** September 10, 2007, 03:24:42 PM »

That's okay, we can all share our disappointment in Factor 5's gameplay! ='D

JonLeung · « **Reply #9 on:** September 10, 2007, 03:26:55 PM »

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In fact, people say Wii's hardware is 2 or 3 times more powerful than GC.

Whatever happened to the good ol' days when people simply equated power with bittage and everyone was okay with the Super NES being 16-bit, only twice as powerful as the 8-bit NES? Oh, and the Genesis supposedly "doubled up" with the 32X, and then there was the 32-bit PSX. Oh, but Nintendo strikes back with the N64, with 64 bits of power!

You'd think it would be normal for being "only twice as powerful" as the previous generation.

In any case, I don't ever find games twice as fun the next generation around.

Tanookisuit · « **Reply #10 on:** September 10, 2007, 03:47:08 PM »

Lair aside, Factor 5 has done well for us in the past, and I'd love to have them making Wii games. If Capcom won't show off with Umbrella Chronicles, maybe Factor 5 will step up and do something right.

UERD · « **Reply #11 on:** September 10, 2007, 03:55:39 PM »

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Whatever happened to the good ol' days when people simply equated power with bittage and everyone was okay with the Super NES being 16-bit, only twice as powerful as the 8-bit NES? Oh, and the Genesis supposedly "doubled up" with the 32X, and then there was the 32-bit PSX. Oh, but Nintendo strikes back with the N64, with 64 bits of power!

You'd think it would be normal for being "only twice as powerful" as the previous generation.

In any case, I don't ever find games twice as fun the next generation around.

I once had the pleasure of reading someone on another forum try to persuade people that 128-bit was better than 64-bit because the former was 10^64 times more powerful, or something stupid like that.

Anyways, I would agree with the 'fun' statement. There are diminishing returns as consoles become more powerful; there is a bigger apparent difference between a 100-polygon and 1000-polygon model than between one with a million polygons and ten million. And I will be the first to argue that MP3 is and will be superior to every other FPS on every other console this generation if only by the virtue of its controls.

Strell · « **Reply #12 on:** September 10, 2007, 04:11:17 PM »

I beat myself to beating it.

What do I win.

GoldenPhoenix · « **Reply #13 on:** September 10, 2007, 04:30:45 PM »

Wait a second, Factor 5, perhaps one of the most unoriginal developers out with their latest game getting harpooned for gameplay/controls, is criticizing other developers? I hope they have plexiglass surrounding them because their house is going to shatter with all those thrown rocks.

Kairon · « **Reply #14 on:** September 10, 2007, 04:40:44 PM »

Factor 5 is criticizing other developers on their graphical technology, the one area where Factor 5 is really on good standing.

GoldenPhoenix · « **Reply #15 on:** September 10, 2007, 04:48:40 PM »

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Factor 5 is criticizing other developers on their graphical technology, the one area where Factor 5 is really on good standing.

They all are apart of game creation and you need BOTH. Besides what do they know about other genres? All I've seen are visuals mean't to represent flying games (And from what I've read of Lair it has some framerate issues), at least other developers, um, TRY to create different gaming experiences both gameplay wise and graphically.

Mashiro · « **Reply #16 on:** September 10, 2007, 05:02:29 PM »

I can't bad mouth factor 5 for these remarks I . . . I just can't.

It's about time someone stood up and said "Hey idiots, the Wii is a powerful system, just stop being lazy and learn to utilize its full power".

I just wish factor 5 was standing up and saying this with a game in hand for the Wii lol.

GoldenPhoenix · « **Reply #17 on:** September 10, 2007, 05:03:56 PM »

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I can't bad mouth factor 5 for these remarks I . . . I just can't.

It's about time someone stood up and said "Hey idiots, the Wii is a powerful system, just stop being lazy and learn to utilize its full power".

I just wish factor 5 was standing up and saying this with a game in hand for the Wii lol.

Yeah and then we can get yet another flying game, maybe they will slap a unicorn skin on Rogue Leader's X-Wing and call it a day.

Darkheart · « **Reply #18 on:** September 10, 2007, 05:06:31 PM »

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Originally posted by: Mashiro
I can't bad mouth factor 5 for these remarks I . . . I just can't.

It's about time someone stood up and said "Hey idiots, the Wii is a powerful system, just stop being lazy and learn to utilize its full power".

I just wish factor 5 was standing up and saying this with a game in hand for the Wii lol.

Yeah and then we can get yet another flying game, maybe they will slap a unicorn skin on Rogue Leader's X-Wing and call it a day.

UNICORN SQUADRON I CANT WAIT FOR THE HOTH LEVEL WHERE YOU HAVE TO WRAP RAINBOWS AROUND THE GIANT FAIRY'S LEGS TO MAKE HER TRIP AND FALL DOWN AND EXPLODE INTO A 1000000000000000000000000000000000000000 RAINBOWS.

GoldenPhoenix · « **Reply #19 on:** September 10, 2007, 05:08:12 PM »

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Originally posted by: GoldenPhoenix
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Originally posted by: Mashiro
I can't bad mouth factor 5 for these remarks I . . . I just can't.

It's about time someone stood up and said "Hey idiots, the Wii is a powerful system, just stop being lazy and learn to utilize its full power".

I just wish factor 5 was standing up and saying this with a game in hand for the Wii lol.

Yeah and then we can get yet another flying game, maybe they will slap a unicorn skin on Rogue Leader's X-Wing and call it a day.

UNICORN SQUADRON I CANT WAIT FOR THE HOTH LEVEL WHERE YOU HAVE TO WRAP RAINBOWS AROUND THE GIANT FAIRY'S LEGS TO MAKE HER TRIP AND FALL DOWN AND EXPLODE INTO A 1000000000000000000000000000000000000000 RAINBOWS.

You know that may actually be too creative for Factor 5, so I take my unicorn skin comment back!

Kairon · « **Reply #20 on:** September 10, 2007, 05:17:40 PM »

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Originally posted by: GoldenPhoenix
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Originally posted by: Mashiro
I can't bad mouth factor 5 for these remarks I . . . I just can't.

It's about time someone stood up and said "Hey idiots, the Wii is a powerful system, just stop being lazy and learn to utilize its full power".

I just wish factor 5 was standing up and saying this with a game in hand for the Wii lol.

Yeah and then we can get yet another flying game, maybe they will slap a unicorn skin on Rogue Leader's X-Wing and call it a day.

UNICORN SQUADRON I CANT WAIT FOR THE HOTH LEVEL WHERE YOU HAVE TO WRAP RAINBOWS AROUND THE GIANT FAIRY'S LEGS TO MAKE HER TRIP AND FALL DOWN AND EXPLODE INTO A 1000000000000000000000000000000000000000 RAINBOWS.

I'd buy it.

UERD · « **Reply #21 on:** September 10, 2007, 05:25:13 PM »

But it's k!ddy.

Kairon · « **Reply #22 on:** September 10, 2007, 05:37:16 PM »

You kill people with RAINBOWS dude. That's totally awesome. AND you get to fly around and especially UNDER a giant fairies legs. That's screenshot worthy.

Also, I own the My Little Ponies movie.

UERD · « **Reply #23 on:** September 10, 2007, 05:40:15 PM »

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...and especially UNDER a giant fairies legs.

So we've gone from 'k!ddy' to 'Japanese casual game'. I can live with that.

Kairon · « **Reply #24 on:** September 10, 2007, 05:42:01 PM »

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...and especially UNDER a giant fairies legs.

So we've gone from 'k!ddy' to 'Japanese casual game'. I can live with that.

No no no. That'd be a non-game.

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Author Topic: Factor 5 dissapointed in developers effort in the Wii's graphics (Read 16713 times)