Topic: Miyamoto reafirms Wii Music is still coming along

[NinGurl69 *huggles]

That explains a lot, and shows what a useless idea it is.  Thanks for wasting time, Activision.

[EasyCure]

Ian likes to prove just how hardcore he is by beating Guitar Hero on Expert playing with the Classic Controller.

wiat wait wait... you can use the classic controller?

Nope if you play guitar hero 3 or GH aerosmith without the guitar you only do it with the wii remote using a weird configuration.

blah got my hopes up.

i had to play using that stupid set up when my friend was over and hogged the guitar. At least when World Tour comes out i won't have to do that.

lol.. i somehow managed "One" on medium with that thing..

[Ian Sane]

Are you really serious?  How the **** does that accomplish anything?

I was talking about the Jam Session mode in Guitar Hero World Tour.  You know the mode we were JUST TALKING ABOUT.  You can air drum with the nunchuk and remote in it in a freestyle mode that sounds so similar to Wii Music that it's almost like Activision is including it in their game as an extra mode just to show Nintendo up.

Now Wii Music is probably a better buy for that sort of thing but if that's all you want Guitar Hero World Tour does not require the expensive peripherals.  Let's put it this way: you can buy Guitar Hero World Tour and get a full-on game with tons of modes including the ability to create your own music tracks and any non-gamers you live with can also enjoy the freestyle mode.  That's how you do it.  It doesn't alienate the non-gamers.  Wii Music focuses so much on non-gamers that anyone who wants a game or challenge or anything robust has no need for it.

Activision attracts the non-gamers by making an omega game everyone can like and Nintendo attracts the non-gamers by alienating everyone else.

[NinGurl69 *huggles]

Does World Tour cover that little symphony ensemble of instruments included in Wii Music, or is it rock-centric?  I'm seeking to mess around with track layering, then mess around with that further by running it through the orchestra mode.  I'm not interested in the generic synth rock beats, becuz I'm a discerning adult with sophisticated tastes.

I've had it with music games.  I'm getting Samba de Amigo.

[NWR_Lindy]

I'm not interested in the generic synth rock beats, becuz I'm a discerning adult with sophisticated tastes.

We welcome you with open arms!

[Stogi]

Are you really serious?  How the **** does that accomplish anything?

I was talking about the Jam Session mode in Guitar Hero World Tour.  You know the mode we were JUST TALKING ABOUT.  You can air drum with the nunchuk and remote in it in a freestyle mode that sounds so similar to Wii Music that it's almost like Activision is including it in their game as an extra mode just to show Nintendo up.

Now Wii Music is probably a better buy for that sort of thing but if that's all you want Guitar Hero World Tour does not require the expensive peripherals.  Let's put it this way: you can buy Guitar Hero World Tour and get a full-on game with tons of modes including the ability to create your own music tracks and any non-gamers you live with can also enjoy the freestyle mode.  That's how you do it.  It doesn't alienate the non-gamers.  Wii Music focuses so much on non-gamers that anyone who wants a game or challenge or anything robust has no need for it.

Activision attracts the non-gamers by making an omega game everyone can like and Nintendo attracts the non-gamers by alienating everyone else.

Ian... That's not the point though. If they wanted to do exactly that, they could have. Just look at Donkey Konga.

Again, that's NOT THE POINT. It's FOCUS is about improvisation and coming together with your family or friends and making music. Most people don't know that simple joy, and if anything, mimicking GH would have just detracted from it's goal and wasted valuable effort and time.

You see, when you load up this game, you should be welcomed and invited into to the world of playing music and not bothered with high scores or "expert mode." There is no "expert" mode in real life, so why should a music game have such a thing when it's soul focus is making people less tone deaf and more appreciative of the good music that is truly neglected today due to people who are completely ignorant of how hard it is make such music (I'm looking at you jazz)?

This game may not be for you, Ian, since you already have your own band and thus, can create your own music. But to the literally MILLIONS of people out there that have never partook in such a thing, this is a gift from Miyamoto. He's wants you to pick up them sticks or brass or strings, and start playing music. And I applaud him for that and you should too.

[NinGurl69 *huggles]

Wii Music
Wii Fit
Wii Sports
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Titles designed to accessibly help develop some kind of fundamental appreciation and attack indifference towards rape-murder-genocide-domestic-unrest simulators.


Wii Play
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Supplies ink to print money LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLL

[NWR_Lindy]

I think Nintendo is actually including a hug with every copy of Wii Music sold.  It's bundled in.

[Kairon]

I think Nintendo is actually including a hug with every copy of Wii Music sold.  It's bundled in.

Maybe they were handing out the hugs at PAX. I've been wondering how some people playing it there could have been more optimistic about Wii Music than even ME.

Wii Music
Wii Fit
Wii Sports
========

Titles designed to accessibly help develop some kind of fundamental appreciation and attack indifference towards rape-murder-genocide-domestic-unrest simulators.


Wii Play
=====

Supplies ink to print money LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLL

lol.

[Ian Sane]

There is no "expert" mode in real life

Real life is permanently in expert mode.  No restarts.  No saves.  Screwing up once can affect the rest of your life.  You are always competing with people.  Even if you refrain from sports or contests you have to compete to get a job or attract a mate.  You compete in minor stuff like trying to get tickets to a concert.  You're expected to do well in school, expected to do well in work.  You have to apply by laws and rules or risk going to jail.  And things always change and you have to keep up.

And sometimes you lose due to stuff beyond your control - bad luck, someone intentionally screwing you, accidents, acts of nature, acts of government, genetics, illness.  You can do everything right and still lose.  That's a supreme expert mode.

I think Nintendo grossly underestimates the intelligence of non-gamers.  What sort of brainless twit is confused by a game having difficulty levels or having a freestyle mode and something with more game to it or having any option they don't intend to use being available?  If you can't handle that then I wonder how you survive in this world because cellphones and computers are everywhere and they're more complicted than any game.  "I can pay at the pump or pre-pay inside?  Cash or credit?  Regular Coke or Diet?  OH F*CK WHAT DO I DO I'M SO CONFUSED!!"

I don't have to buy Wii Music and I do still have Guitar Hero: World Tour.  But I'm pretty sure Nintendo could have made a more robust Wii Music that everyone including experienced gamers and musicians could enjoy as well.  There is no reason for them to limit it the way they have.  The Wii ___ series is patronizing to the user.

[Kairon]

Actually, what I'm worried about them underestimating is the profound negative effect making BAD music can have on you. There's nothing more demoralizing then causing awful sounds, and if Nintendo's not careful, this freedom to cause that psychic damage to ourselves could drive users away.

[NWR_insanolord]

wiat wait wait... you can use the classic controller?

Nope if you play guitar hero 3 or GH aerosmith without the guitar you only do it with the wii remote using a weird configuration.

The Guitar controller is a Classic Controller. The frets are A, B, X, Y, and Z2, the strum thing is up and down on the d-pad. I've played Frets on Fire with the Wii guitar, my Wiimote software can only configure the remote, nunchuk, and classic controller, and configuring the classic controller makes the guitar work. I figured the same thing would work on the Wii.

[Stogi]

IAN

So your equating life with "supreme expert mode." Fair enough, just realize how lame that makes you sound. It's a game dude. A fucking game. It isn't anything like life. Playing Guitar Hero fifty times a day doesn't make you a rock legend; it makes you really gay. I already told you the reason why you are not getting the game you want; and it has nothing to do with peoples' ability (or should I inability) to make easy decisions.

And another thing. You make me sad. Your ability to bitch is profoundly disappointing; especially when it exposes your world view. You seem like the person that can't just relax, take it a deep breath, and realize how blessed your life is. There is always something wrong with everything.

Kairon, you got to crawl before you walk, before you run, before you fly.

[Kairon]

But KashogiStogi, crawling shouldn't involve reams of negative reinforcement.

[Ian Sane]

So your equating life with "supreme expert mode." Fair enough, just realize how lame that makes you sound.

You said there is no "expert mode" in real life.  I was merely stating my disagreement with that point.  Yeah Wii Music is just a game but you made that point and I disagree with it.  In fact I don't quite get what you meant in the first place.  In real life things are hard.  Having selectable difficulties in a videogame is part of what makes videogames a good escape.  If you want to be challenged you can.  If you want everything to be a push over you can.  And as Nintendo has introduced if you just want to goof around with no pressure you can.

Though Nintendo thinks it's better to not provide those options and you're defending that which makes no sense to me at all.  I don't mean any offense by that I just don't get it at all.  Nintendo has traditionally been super restrictive about providing options and I never understand why anyone defends that.  Why is telling people what they want a characteristic of Nintendo that is defended?  Would Wii Music with more options be a better or worse product?

I think this whole debate, the whole gamers vs. non-gamers thing, all of it could have been easily avoided if Nintendo wasn't so insistent of dumbing things down for non-gamers.  If they just made the best game they could and made it so that non-gamers can fart around with easy modes and such it would all be fine.  No complaints that Nintendo is neglecting the core gamer.

[Stogi]

Dude, you hit it right on the head without even realizing. WiiMusic isn't suppose to be a game; more like an empty canvas for you to play with.

It's like walking into the storage room for your University's music program and playing with all those cool instruments. That's all. It's a gateway for you to channel creativity into. THAT"S ALL.

[NinGurl69 *huggles]

Dude, you hit right on the head without even realizing. WiiMusic isn't suppose to be a game; more like an empty canvas for you to play with.

It's like walking into the storage room for your University's music program and playing with all those cool instruments. That's all. It's a gateway for you to channel creativity into. THAT"S ALL.

Indeed, that's been its purpose since its initial preview.  I don't get why Ian doesn't accept this notion, that this software has a focus markedly different from the rest of the competitive-scoring-flashing-timed-icon games out there.

If it included such a mode, it'd probably be just a bonus easy-casual mini-game that'd he'd complain about anyway for being included yet not fleshed-out, like multiplayer in Metroid Prime 2.  It'd be just another half-hearted me-too game mode, while there are other games that get the job done robustly and exclusively; get those for that job, get Wii Music for a different job.

[DAaaMan64]

Heroin Hero?

[NWR_Lindy]

I guess you could say that Wii Music is the video game equivalent of giving pots, pans, and wooden spoons to an infant.  If Nintendo can make money off of that, more power to them, because they're GENIUSES.

[Kairon]

I just had a thought... OCARINA HERO!!!

[Ian Sane]

It's like walking into the storage room for your University's music program and playing with all those cool instruments. That's all. It's a gateway for you to channel creativity into. THAT"S ALL.

Except that the creativity is limited pretty much to playing a select group of songs competently or poorly.  Well there is the drum mode I'll give it that.  Am I ignorant of some HUGE create-a-song mode that this game has?  I hear creativity this and that but the gist of the game from my understanding is that you mime with the remote and classical music plays well or sh!tty depending on your ability to keep time.  The creativity involved in this is what?  The drum mode is different but as far as I can tell Mario Paint for the SNES is a better tool for expressing music creativity.

Now that Korg game for the DS?  THAT sounds like a creative tool.

[Stogi]

Am I ignorant of some HUGE create-a-song mode that this game has?

Jesus, really? Was that all we were arguing about.

YES. YES THERE IS A JAM MODE. YOU CAN EVEN RECORD MUSIC VIDEOS AND SEND THEM TO YOUR FRIENDS.

[Mario]

Game vs Program

I think people want a game in their gaming system.

Also dissing the "Wii ___" games makes you look like a complete retard. Wii Sports still hasn't even been matched in any of it's sports in FULL games, except possibly golf. As time goes by the game is looking more and more like a masterpiece.

[NWR_Lindy]

I totally agree with Mario (and I just threw up in my mouth because of it).

[redgiemental]

Wii Sport was very good.

Wii Fit got dull very quickly in my opinion.

So we're tied one good and one bad so far on my scoreboard. Wii Music from what I've seen makes me think of it more of as a bad than a good for me personally. I'm open to changing my mind but thats how it looks at the minute.