Topic: Revolution Name Announced!

[bigdingus06]

i'm sick of ppl defending this name. defend the console, the games, the controller all u want, but don't just accept anything nintendo throws at u just because u 'have to'.

the name simply sucks. say it a million times and it doesn't change how god-awful it is.

the nintendo wii
the nintendo wii
the nintendo wii

DOES IT NOT SOUND WiiTARDED YET?! lol xbox is a dumb name, yet it doesn't sound childish. playstation is actually not that bad a name. GAMECUBE is dumb too, but it looks like the most badass name on the planet next to the Wii....

some of u say that it's only the 'manly man' ppl that want the name different. uh no. it's anybody that has ears and a mind of their own. there are hundreds of thousands of other words..but they have to pick one that sounds so wrong ... and yes, they know the majority of the ppl don't like it, yet we have to do what nintendo says, we have to be nintendo and be so different. finally i realized i'm no longer defending nintendo. i wanna play the rev games, but honestly, i want them to fail misserably this gen now.

how can a diehard nintendo fan say this? well maybe cuz i'm sick of being let down like a boyfriend who's in love with someone, but keeps being cheated on and screwed by that same person.

sooner or later i need to put my foot down. when nintendo knows the majority of ppl don't like something, yet they do it anyway...it just such a slap in the face. cartridges over cds, little purple lunchbox design, no online (cuz it's not what gamers want...until they just up and change their minds), a cartoon looking zelda (i liked it too and looked past the graphics, but the majority wanted the spaceworld zelda), and now the 'wii'....i'm looking past so many others but it just bothers me a company is so high on itself, it's always trying so hard to be 'different' for whatever excuse.

being different isn't bad. trying to make it so obvious that you are 'different' is. i wish nintendo was 'one' person. i'd go find nintendo, and beat him/her till they could no longer think. cuz all thinking has done for them thus far is put them in a distant third in the console race.

[thejeek]

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Monadnock Valley

Just skimmed through some study notes - good to know that posting on internet forums is good for the intellect after all :-)
Not sure about the relevance of that one though - after all, it wasn't called Poo Valley...

[Kairon]

Yeah, sorry it isn't a perfect analogy.
I haven't seen "The Producers" though, is that an exact analogy?

By the way, how did you like your 5 minute induction into Ayn Rand's objectivism?

~Carmine M. Red
Kairon@aol.com

[thejeek]

In the producers it's actually a different dodge - they get a load of money from investors (old ladies mainly) and then don't spend most of it (production is dirt cheap) on the assumption that nobody will bother to carefully audit where money has gone when run ends early and they pocket the money. See the original version with Gene Wilder - it's very good.

Yeah - never come across Ayn Rand before - should probably check her out (surprised my GF hasn't got any of her stuff - it sounds like it would totally be her thing)

[nemo_83]

"It's categorically, an indefensibly bad decision."

I agree.  

I'm still in a state of confusion, just not understanding why they would name a product this.  Why do they do this?  Why do they always do crap like use carts, case their console like a lunchbox, ignore online, try to force people to buy GBA connectivity, and now name their console something just uncomfortable.  

Perrin Kaplan, I don't want to "feel" your Wii; you got me!

[Hostile Creation]

Hey.

I'd say I defended it at least pretty well.

[Karl Castaneda #2]

You know, after giving it some time to marinate (marinating in wii... hehe; sorry, as much as you deny it, there are plenty of jokes to be sucked from this name), I'm a lot less hostile toward the name. I mean, do I love it? Eh, not so much, but is it the end-all destruction of the console? Nah; people are really going crazy over something that they should really just give time to think about. I mean, everything else with the Wii is going great right now. An exclusive Madden alternate being on a Nintendo console? That's HUGE. Ubi and Konami, two developers that really snub Nintendo, are on-board with good, solid material. The controller's being shown as a really great idea, and we don't even have a lot of hands-on stuff to see yet. Nintendo, for the most part, has been really on the ball lately.

Does "Wii" really destroy it that much for you?

If it does, well, that's really unfortunate. Nintendo could've certainly used your purchase, and you'd be doing yourself a disservice by missing out on what should be great games. It's a total bummer. In fact, I'm willing to bet people are more scared of the reaction of Wii than the name itself.

In a perfect world, gamers wouldn't be so self-conscious or easily angered. Should Nintendo have known that? Yeah, probably, but it's been done, so now you've got a personal decision to make. Will you or will you not let it affect you? I, for one, won't let it bother me too much. It's still gonna be rad and I'm still gonna enjoy it.

I'll end this post the same way I ended the BBB last night with the staff...

You want a Revolution? So do I, but in times like these, Wii need to stick together. Stay excellent, guys.  

[Starxxon]

"i wish nintendo was 'one' person. i'd go find nintendo, and beat him/her till they could no longer think. "

You just proved my point... I hope guys like you leave the Nintendo platform. We don't want aggressive bullies like you in the Nintendo community.

"It's categorically, an indefensibly bad decision."

Way to go guys, that's a solid dogmatic argument. Make sure everyone defending the name looks like a fool...

You think you are the majority, but seeing how you aggressively ridicule the name, and more or less directly attack anyone that could try to defend the idea, I'm sure many of those that are indifferent or like the name restrain themselves from posting, fearing very negative replies.

In reality, amongst all readers of this thread, you (people having a very negative reaction) are probably the minority, and it should be revealed over time, as the dust settles.

You guys are saying that the name is bad because others will make fun of it. If it's a bad thing why are you making fun of the name yourself? Why do you try to invent new sick jokes in every post? Why do you encourage and participate to this immature name-calling game?

Edit: ViewtifulGamer, great post, and you don't even like the name that much

[Kairon]

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Originally posted by: thejeek
In the producers it's actually a different dodge - they get a load of money from investors (old ladies mainly) and then don't spend most of it (production is dirt cheap) on the assumption that nobody will bother to carefully audit where money has gone when run ends early and they pocket the money. See the original version with Gene Wilder - it's very good.

Yeah - never come across Ayn Rand before - should probably check her out (surprised my GF hasn't got any of her stuff - it sounds like it would totally be her thing)

That's actually pretty similar to monadnock valley... lol. Some developers snatch up this really hilly, really undesirable land and get investments to develop it into a resort. Then they hire protagonist of the story to design the resort. The investors actually sold 200% of the venture, and they're sure that with the unconventional terrain and an architect who is generally reviled by everyone respectable, they can get away with pocketing the difference after the venture tanks.

Only problem is, Rand's hero may be disliked by the fashionable intellectuals, he's a brilliant architect and Monadnock Valley becomes a stunningly successful resort among people who you'd never expect to see at resorts: the middle class. In a way, monandnock valley was "blue ocean" too. The very cheap, hilly and convoluted terrain broke all the traditions of what a popular resort should look like, the architect chosen for the project virtually guaranteed that typical, status quo, upper crust resort goers would sneer at it, and the resort proved astoundingly successful when a larger "blue ocean" market was tapped: the middle-class.

... ANYWAYS...

~Carmine M. Red
Kairon@aol.com

[nemo_83]

 

[GoldenPhoenix]

Once again, I will say the name has potential from a visual perspective, not necessarily how it sounds. Conciously or subconciously people will relate the "ii" to not only the system's controller but also as multiple individuals enjoying the system together. With the iPod being so popular will help reinforce the "hip" and slick image of the two "ii". There is so much that can be done with the name too, unlike any other name I've seen previously for a console, it can be used in a variety of ways that do not necessarily relate to immature bathroom humor (an example is my signature).  Not only that, but it can be used as its own logo, without the need of shortening the name up.

[OverHeat]

If this name has done nothing else, it has re-affirmed my belief that the collective maturity of the internet "gaming geek" community is roughly 9 years old. Seriously, all of you; when was the last time you heard or made a joke using the word "wee" to mean pee or penis? What makes it even more pathetic is the fact that most "gamers" are supposed to be in their mid-twenties. My favorite posts are the ones that read something like; "OMG Nintendo is doomed now. They are gonna lose the worlds market." *claps for American arrogance* Guess what buckaroos? USA=world is not an equation. How many of you have gone to some Japanese gamers' posting sites to see what they are saying? How many of you even know of any sites like that, not to mention even being able to read enough kanji to figure out what they are saying?

Not "cool", huh? MOST EXCELLENT.

Someone asked about Japanese meaning, and since it seems no one has bothered to address this, I guess I will. FIrst off, the two I's ii, pronounced "eeee" (just say the vowel "e" and hold it for about a second) means "good". I have no doubt that this name was predominantly made by the Japanese. Why? Well, unlike Americans, who look at words at face value (goodbye, age of poets) the Japanese absolutely ADORE giving names deep meanings, putting underlying values within their written words. This is most prominent in kanji. The symbols are drawn in such a way as to represent several meanings. Reason being that all kanji (well, ALMOST all anyway) do actually have at least two, if not more meanings. To that end, I am most impressed with Nintendo. They seem to have tried very hard to bring the concept of kanji to America with Wii. Creating a word that sounds one way, but as many highly literate posters have pointed out *rolls eyes* it is MISSPELLED. *GASP!* Misspelling it intentionally to give the word deeper meaning is, IMHO un-freakin-believable. They created a word with deeper meaning than any pun could ever have. They created a word that is easily pronounced/understood by the only two markets that matter to them. (English-speaking and Asian-speaking markets, as if you didnt know. )  

Too bad they didnt ask somebody first; "So, we know that the average age of video gamers is supposed to be 20-30, but what is the general maturity level?" Then they may have known that the general communties response would have been "OMFG tey have teh wee wees TEEHEEHEEHEEHEE--"*SLAP!*

To that end, I really like this new name. I give a big kudos to Nintendo for putting such a novel idea as to merge the concept of kanji with english. I give a big, fat, spittle flinging rasberry to all the people who cant/dont bother trying to look for deeper meanings to the things they see.

My worst name currently? X-Box360. As one bad guy said to another in the movie Last Action Hero; "Wha....why-a you do dees? Why you a turn ona me? Why-a you make-a da 360 ona me?"
"It's a 180 you IDIOT. ONE. EIGHTY. If I did a 360, I would have made a COMPLETE circle and be RIGHT back where I WAS when I STARTED!!!"
And that, really, sums up the 360 IMO at this point. The only difference is, they threw some make-up on during the turn. Just remember; when you wash away the make-up, you still have the same, dirty hoe underneath it all.

.....and as I am sure this post will be lost on many, I have a simpler version for us all to enjoy. After all, I wouldn't want to let all the other fanboys out there to think us Nintendo guys can't keep up with the mudslinging!  *read the rest at your own risk*


Thats right, keep taking things at face value. Keep judging books by their covers. But above all, please; CRY MORE, n00bs!!  Hahahahahlolololzz!!!11one11one11!~!!! Wii FTW! Thats right Playing With My Stationers and X-bitchez! Keep talkin about my "Wii"! See how quick you find a mushroom print on your forehead! Suddenly your flacid little controllerz makes you teh jealous?! You see me whipping out my straight, long, rock hard Wii and you crap your pants!

PS Re: Arrogance VS. Confidence: There are many online dictionaries at your disposal. I suggest looking up both words. If you are still confused, PM me and I will be glad to explain it in further detail. No sarcasm here. No meaness here either, folks. I HATE the fact that America's grasp on the english language has been drastically eroding, and am MORE than happy to help people expand their vocabulary. VOCAB FTW!!!11!



WHEW! I have been dying to get that off my chest!   Thanks for listening folks!  

[Dasmos]

I seriously think it will be only those on the Internet who really care about the name. Real people won't disregard a entire console just because of a name, it's only those insecure Interneters.

[Deguello]

Nice try BigJim, but when I said that all video game players above the age of 30 were emotionally stunted manchildren, I was paraphrasing a humor article found here:

http://www.pointlesswasteoftime.com/games/crash2.html

I even lowered the age he said for more humor value.  Good eyes, though.  Almost had me.

[Djunknown]

With the unveiling of the new controller, it drew the proveribial lines in the sand. This time, it seems more definative lines have drawn...

So far, gut reactions have been overwhelmingly WTF. Then the others who say 'OMG grow up.' And that's just the PGC boards, I can't imagine what Gamespot's, Gameinformer's, IGN's, etc. boards are going through...

Gotta give it up for the lurkers that come out of hiding, to challenge our regular posters. Where have you been all this time?

While we're quoting movie lines, here's one from Enemy of the State:
"Either you're really smart, or really stupid." Which one is Nintendo?

Being a Nintendo fan means to have a masochistic relationship. A defensive one if you will. So how's this situation any different?

Will this stop me from buying it? Probably not. Can I say/type 'Wii?' comfortably? Not yet....

Yeah, according to traditional thought, this is proverbial suicide. But this time around, Nintendo has been anything but traditional... Where are they going with this?

[Caliban]

Have some of you noticed the impact Wii has caused on the PGC forums? There is literally twice the people logged on every day compared to pre-Wii. Cool!

[GoldenPhoenix]

::claps:: Great job and great post. Sadly, as most of the posts that give a logical defense of the name, this too is and will probaly be ignored for the most part. Oh well, still an intelligent post.

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Originally posted by: OverHeat
If this name has done nothing else, it has re-affirmed my belief that the collective maturity of the internet "gaming geek" community is roughly 9 years old. Seriously, all of you; when was the last time you heard or made a joke using the word "wee" to mean pee or penis? What makes it even more pathetic is the fact that most "gamers" are supposed to be in their mid-twenties. My favorite posts are the ones that read something like; "OMG Nintendo is doomed now. They are gonna lose the worlds market." *claps for American arrogance* Guess what buckaroos? USA=world is not an equation. How many of you have gone to some Japanese gamers' posting sites to see what they are saying? How many of you even know of any sites like that, not to mention even being able to read enough kanji to figure out what they are saying?

Not "cool", huh? MOST EXCELLENT.

Someone asked about Japanese meaning, and since it seems no one has bothered to address this, I guess I will. FIrst off, the two I's ii, pronounced "eeee" (just say the vowel "e" and hold it for about a second) means "good". I have no doubt that this name was predominantly made by the Japanese. Why? Well, unlike Americans, who look at words at face value (goodbye, age of poets) the Japanese absolutely ADORE giving names deep meanings, putting underlying values within their written words. This is most prominent in kanji. The symbols are drawn in such a way as to represent several meanings. Reason being that all kanji (well, ALMOST all anyway) do actually have at least two, if not more meanings. To that end, I am most impressed with Nintendo. They seem to have tried very hard to bring the concept of kanji to America with Wii. Creating a word that sounds one way, but as many highly literate posters have pointed out *rolls eyes* it is MISSPELLED. *GASP!* Misspelling it intentionally to give the word deeper meaning is, IMHO un-freakin-believable. They created a word with deeper meaning than any pun could ever have. They created a word that is easily pronounced/understood by the only two markets that matter to them. (English-speaking and Asian-speaking markets, as if you didnt know. )  

Too bad they didnt ask somebody first; "So, we know that the average age of video gamers is supposed to be 20-30, but what is the general maturity level?" Then they may have known that the general communties response would have been "OMFG tey have teh wee wees TEEHEEHEEHEEHEE--"*SLAP!*

To that end, I really like this new name. I give a big kudos to Nintendo for putting such a novel idea as to merge the concept of kanji with english. I give a big, fat, spittle flinging rasberry to all the people who cant/dont bother trying to look for deeper meanings to the things they see.

My worst name currently? X-Box360. As one bad guy said to another in the movie Last Action Hero; "Wha....why-a you do dees? Why you a turn ona me? Why-a you make-a da 360 ona me?"
"It's a 180 you IDIOT. ONE. EIGHTY. If I did a 360, I would have made a COMPLETE circle and be RIGHT back where I WAS when I STARTED!!!"
And that, really, sums up the 360 IMO at this point. The only difference is, they threw some make-up on during the turn. Just remember; when you wash away the make-up, you still have the same, dirty hoe underneath it all.

.....and as I am sure this post will be lost on many, I have a simpler version for us all to enjoy. After all, I wouldn't want to let all the other fanboys out there to think us Nintendo guys can't keep up with the mudslinging!  *read the rest at your own risk*


Thats right, keep taking things at face value. Keep judging books by their covers. But above all, please; CRY MORE, n00bs!!  Hahahahahlolololzz!!!11one11one11!~!!! Wii FTW! Thats right Playing With My Stationers and X-bitchez! Keep talkin about my "Wii"! See how quick you find a mushroom print on your forehead! Suddenly your flacid little controllerz makes you teh jealous?! You see me whipping out my straight, long, rock hard Wii and you crap your pants!

PS Re: Arrogance VS. Confidence: There are many online dictionaries at your disposal. I suggest looking up both words. If you are still confused, PM me and I will be glad to explain it in further detail. No sarcasm here. No meaness here either, folks. I HATE the fact that America's grasp on the english language has been drastically eroding, and am MORE than happy to help people expand their vocabulary. VOCAB FTW!!!11!



WHEW! I have been dying to get that off my chest!   Thanks for listening folks!

[Caliban]

That was a nice read, I actually missed it 'cause i was so frustrated with all the whiney posts therein.

[Pryopizm]

After having a full 24 hours to mull the name over, I've decided it still sucks.  

Let's see how Nintendo tries to market their way out of a hole.  

[GoldenPhoenix]

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Originally posted by: Pryopizm
After having a full 24 hours to mull the name over, I've decided it still sucks.  

Let's see how Nintendo tries to market their way out of a hole.

Easy, just use the unique way the name looks and market it. If done well the name will redeem Nintendo's unique and IMO good descision.

[Pryopizm]

As it's been proven over and over again, the way to win the mass audience's favor is by being unique.  That's why so many unusual games like Ico, Odama, and Viewtiful Joe do so well against common games like GTA, Madden, and anything with a flavor-of-the-month rapper in it.

[EasyCure]

the whining needs to stop guys, in all seriosness. its just a name. yes argue that its an uphill battle for nintendo's marketing all you want but its because YOU think of Wii as either urine or a penis or a little penis or whatever. its just YOU. there are, however, alot of YOU. then there are people that fall into the catagories of b and c that Starxxon pointed out in his awesome post. You obviously miss what nintendo is doing with their "new generation" game machine. all along they've been shoving it down your throat that they want to be "disruptive" and change who the mainstream is made up of. it wont be about YOU anymore; the insecure 15-25 year old who makes a pee joke because you cant come to terms with something that is clearly beyond YOU and your image conscious ways. just because YOU dont like the name and dont understand or want to understand the meaning doesnt mean nintendo cant define what Wii stands for in the newer gamers they will be trying to reach. teen girls to adult women, seniors, people of middle-age. the majority wont think for a second about urine or penises. nintendo has an opportunity to define their new console in a way that will turn these people on to their machine as opposed to the compitition who will only cater to their demographic. i understand this.
before i go on, i would just like to point out that i do not like the name personally, and hopefully you arent to ignorant to of missed this part of my post becuase what i am saying goes against what you say and believe in. i really dont like the name, i dont like the way it sounds, but i can see what nintendo wants to do with it.
for a while now they have been comparing themselves to apple with their iPods and myspace. its clear that they want everyone of every age to pick up and play their console. it still bothers me when i see a man in his 30s and in a business suit walking down the street with a turquoise ipod mini in his hands as he's waiting for a bus or hailing a cab. why? because iPod to me always seemed to me as it was only marketed to young preteens and teens who are the ones you would most likely think to walk around listening to music everywhere. standing around and singing to a song no one else can hear or tapping your feet to a beat no one can feel isnt something you would normally think of an adult doing in public. however the appeal of the iPod is so strong that it does just that. i've seen people nearing their 50s who have ipods and ipod mini's and nano's. its become such a cultural phenom that the name ipod itself became synomanous with portable mp3 players as a whole, just as nintendo did with video games back in the 80s. i had family that had a sega genisis but if you spoke to their parents they would tell you their kids were "playing nintendo".
thats what they want to go for again. YOU dont seem to see that though because all YOU do is put the name down without giving it any thought because YOU are the "hardcore" gamer that doesnt want to think outside the box, who is too insecure for change. you'd rather make pee jokes then to think about what new meanings the name could mean. there will be plenty of you who will say "the name sucks and im not buying it because it sucks" and you know what i have to say about that? fine, go spend an extra $300 bucks on a BS3 or xbox 3-sux-ty (thanks Ice Cold) and play games the "old" way as it will one day be called. play your rehashes and don't even bother to think that if it werent for a company that used to make japanese playing cards in the 1890's or so to one day up and decide to become a video game company, which at the time was thinking outside the box becuase the video game market crashed....just know that if it werent for that little company that wanted to change the landscape of entertainment, you wouldnt have those machines you spend excessive amounts of money for but havent exactly offered you anything new since the last generation. Nintendo will have their revolution even if it takes time. so far all the peices are falling into place in their favour, dispite of what YOU might think, simply based on a name. for those of you who dislike the name, as do i, but believe in what the Wii has to offer, i applaud you for not letting something so trivial stop you from experiencing something new come this fall, and for you lucky ones in two weeks in LA. i reitterate, for those of you who will simply not buy it based on a name; good riddance, you're not in our fanbase anyway.
i can see nintendo having sleek, small packaging for their tiny, revolutionary console that one day be the next cultural phenom like ipod. they will have their own little section apart from the rest at a place like best buy, it will be the one behind the cages, and hopefully one day be synonmous with video games and gaming again.
i want to say this again in case you forgot, i personally dont like the name. i am not defending nintendo because i 'have to' but because i want to. i want what they want in the industry; a change. i've wanted one for awhile. i hope they deliver. normally i try not to be super opinionated in my posts because like Starxxon pointed out, some posters can come across as those group A bullies, and i simply dont want to be bullied because of MY opinion. i come to PGC to discuss nintendo, to have my opinion be heard (read) not bashed. i wont want to get into arguments with other posters becuase our views differ, because i know i wont bother putting up a fight. i would rather post somewhere else then to feel bullied on the one site i come to for a real disussion.
sorry for such a long post but i felt it was needed to counter all the bitching and moaning...so i only have one last thing to say;
YOU haters can bitch and moan all you please, the rest of us; Wii will be the ones ahead in the game.

[Nile Boogie]

Post of the Year.










At first I thought meh, but after some time to think about it and let it sink in, I love it!
Bitchers am dead!

[EasyCure]

::bows gratiously:: (god i hope he was talking about me....)

[Arbok]

I leave for a couple of days, only to get back and find this bombshell?!

Well, I hate it... but I'm so late to the "event" that it almost doesn't even deserve mention at this point. I do hope, or pray might be better wording, that this ends up like "Nitro" where Nintendo instead reverts back to the old code name like they did with the DS. Although "Nitro" was never given the press that Wii was, which worries me... god not only is it hard to see one self saying that, it even looks ugly when typed out. ;_;