Topic: Lost

[ShyGuy]

This is true.


New theory!
MiB is the Devil, but Jacob isn't God, just an Angel guarding the gates of Hell.

[vudu]

So that means you believe Richard when he said they're all dead?  But the producers of the show have said since pretty much the first episode that they're not.  Have they been lying to be this whole time?  If so, how did the losties travel back to the States in season 4?  What's up with the time travel?  How does one manage to sink Hell to the bottom of the Pacific Ocean?

[Halbred]

The island isn't Hell. The island is preventing Hell from escaping into the world.

[GoldenPhoenix]

I liked how they saw the ship in the day time back at the end of season five, but they only approached it in this episode during a storm at night.  Sure, sure, it's semantics, but honestly I'm a bit surprised they didn't catch that.

I really do not think the creators or the writers would make a mistake like that to be honest.

[that Baby guy]

I liked how they saw the ship in the day time back at the end of season five, but they only approached it in this episode during a storm at night.  Sure, sure, it's semantics, but honestly I'm a bit surprised they didn't catch that.

Why do you think it's the same ship?  From what we know Jacob's been bringing ships to the island for eons.  There's nothing to indicate it's the same ship except  they both looked to be from roughly the same time period; but for all we know that scene in season 5 could have taken place hundreds of years before Richard's ship crashed.

Except it said "Sometime in the 1800's in that scene.  It is possible it was meant to be a different ship, but I would imagine there would likely be some remains of any ship that was about 200 years old that landed on the islands.  Sure, they might just have not showed it, but I think it was just an oversight, like how the ultrasound Claire took in Kate's episode earlier this season was mis-dated with an October date, rather than September.

[vudu]

You're wrong.

[gbuell]

I noticed the statue was whole when the ship crashed, was the island in a time loop at the time? Anyway the interaction between Jacob and the Man in Black is really fascinating, neither character seems pure good or pure evil

The MIB said that the Black Rock knocked the statue over when it crashed on the island. We see it whole before the ship crashes, and broken after the ship crashes.

[that Baby guy]

You're wrong.

I am wrong, but not to the degree you say.  What I had seen before was the "Enhanced" version of the episode, and that's the one that references time.  It says what we saw in the opening of The Incident was "...over 140 years before the present day" and that "The ship in the distance...is an early 1800's wooden sailing ship."

Again, that's not definitive, but it's heavily implied we're supposed to be looking at the Black Rock in the flashback, even though the two aren't consistent with each other.

[ThePerm]

The island isn't Hell. The island is preventing Hell from escaping into the world.

The island gods were toying with Ricardo's feeble little old school mind, im sure by now he's wiser

[GoldenPhoenix]

You're wrong.

I am wrong, but not to the degree you say.  What I had seen before was the "Enhanced" version of the episode, and that's the one that references time.  It says what we saw in the opening of The Incident was "...over 140 years before the present day" and that "The ship in the distance...is an early 1800's wooden sailing ship."

Again, that's not definitive, but it's heavily implied we're supposed to be looking at the Black Rock in the flashback, even though the two aren't consistent with each other.

Let's say it was the Black Rock, we've seen in the past how weather can change instantly on the island, so that may have been right before the scene we seen.

[broodwars]

Well, I finally did it...I finally sat down and actually marathoned all of this season's Lost episodes (so far) from season premiere to the most current one.  I'll have more to post later when my thoughts are more coherent, but to simplify them down to a few sentences: I still loathe this show.  I hate the incredibly-unlikeable characters, I hate the endless backstabbing, I hate the way the plot gets stretched and drawn out so anything approaching an interesting concept becomes unbearable, and I hate that people continually praise the writing when it is so unbearably bad.  And to make matters worse, the "gimmick" this season is showing an alternate universe where apparently the island had little to no impact on anyone's life, and as a result everyone is leading much more interesting lives and (for the most part) are better people.  Only this show would have the unmitigated gall to pad its final episodes with snippets of a show I'd much rather be watching.  How ironic that I've actually become attached to characters who will probably have absolutely no impact on the actual story of the show whatsoever.  As much as I hate this show, though, it's like a car crash: I just can't look away from it no matter how painful as I watch episode after episode.  It's nice to finally get some plot details filled in as well as the ground rules for what the rest of the show will be about, though.

[Halbred]

Is it just me, or was the Smoke Monster sequence in the Temple just unbelievably bad-looking? You'd think a show like Lost would have a good effects budget.

[gbuell]

I thought it looked pretty good for Lost actually. They have a reputation for bad CGI.

[ShyGuy]

Damon and Carlton said in their latest podcast that the storm suddenly blew up soon after the scene at the end of season 5.

[ThePerm]

the budget for lost has gone down every season, the first season was probably the most amazing visually

[broodwars]

the budget for lost has gone down every season, the first season was probably the most amazing visually

Indeed, I always thought the pilot had a phenomenal budget with that crash site, and the show really hasn't lived up to that ever since.  As for the Smoke Monster, I thought it looked no better or worse than it has ever looked.  You'd really think by now they'd actually have a visual effect for the transformation rather than the old "happens off camera" routine, given how popular this show is.

[Plugabugz]

Just the pilot cost up to $14 million to make, but usually mixing people and CGI together (i dont mean next to each other or CGI landscapes either) in TV isn't done very often (Sanctuary is a main exception that comes to mind) coz it just looks bad and impractical to do on a tiny budget.

[Sundoulos]

The only CGI that I thought was very poor was the underwater Island in the season premiere.

By the way, does anyone think that they might pull a Fight Club and that Jacob and MIB might be the same person/entity?  Esau did recently mention that Jacob stole his body.

[ShyGuy]

Yeah, I've heard that theory and it sounds plausible. I think Esau is tied to the Electromagnetism of the island.

Lost!
So is Keamy dead or not? Jin should have put another in his skull just to be sure. Jack seems to have turned into super nice guy lately, I miss crazy bearded Jack driving around LA in the middle of the night, listening to grunge and breaking into funeral homes. Widmore can't be trusted.

[that Baby guy]

We have to go back, Kate.  WE HAVE TO GO BACK!

Jack?!  I almost shot you!

-I noticed

[GoldenPhoenix]

Well, I finally did it...I finally sat down and actually marathoned all of this season's Lost episodes (so far) from season premiere to the most current one.  I'll have more to post later when my thoughts are more coherent, but to simplify them down to a few sentences: I still loathe this show.  I hate the incredibly-unlikeable characters, I hate the endless backstabbing, I hate the way the plot gets stretched and drawn out so anything approaching an interesting concept becomes unbearable, and I hate that people continually praise the writing when it is so unbearably bad.  And to make matters worse, the "gimmick" this season is showing an alternate universe where apparently the island had little to no impact on anyone's life, and as a result everyone is leading much more interesting lives and (for the most part) are better people.  Only this show would have the unmitigated gall to pad its final episodes with snippets of a show I'd much rather be watching.  How ironic that I've actually become attached to characters who will probably have absolutely no impact on the actual story of the show whatsoever.  As much as I hate this show, though, it's like a car crash: I just can't look away from it no matter how painful as I watch episode after episode.  It's nice to finally get some plot details filled in as well as the ground rules for what the rest of the show will be about, though.

Well I know where your taste in TV is like now. Remind me to never take your advice in regards to what shows to watch.

I'll continue to enjoy the best written and most unique show on TV, while you grumble.

[ShyGuy]

Well, I finally did it...I finally sat down and actually marathoned all of this season's Lost episodes (so far) from season premiere to the most current one.  I'll have more to post later when my thoughts are more coherent, but to simplify them down to a few sentences: I still loathe this show.  I hate the incredibly-unlikeable characters, I hate the endless backstabbing, I hate the way the plot gets stretched and drawn out so anything approaching an interesting concept becomes unbearable, and I hate that people continually praise the writing when it is so unbearably bad.  And to make matters worse, the "gimmick" this season is showing an alternate universe where apparently the island had little to no impact on anyone's life, and as a result everyone is leading much more interesting lives and (for the most part) are better people.  Only this show would have the unmitigated gall to pad its final episodes with snippets of a show I'd much rather be watching.  How ironic that I've actually become attached to characters who will probably have absolutely no impact on the actual story of the show whatsoever.  As much as I hate this show, though, it's like a car crash: I just can't look away from it no matter how painful as I watch episode after episode.  It's nice to finally get some plot details filled in as well as the ground rules for what the rest of the show will be about, though.

Well I know where your taste in TV is like now. Remind me to never take your advice in regards to what shows to watch.

I'll continue to enjoy the best written and most unique show on TV, while you grumble.

ICE burn!

[broodwars]

I'll continue to enjoy the best written and most unique show on TV, while you grumble.

I'm sorry, I wasn't aware that we were talking about The West Wing.      Now there was some great writing and characterization all done without endless padding and constant backstabbing from characters I'd rather died in the most horrific fashions, even if the show did decline in its later seasons.

[gbuell]

Likeable characters are boring.

[Plugabugz]

Likeable characters are boring.

Watch the first 10 episodes of Stargate Universe and try saying that again.