Author Topic: Silicon Knights and Nintendo break up (Read 103573 times)

jasonditz · « **Reply #300 on:** April 16, 2004, 12:42:22 AM »

The most enjoyable voice-overs in any game I've played in the past year came from a Nintendo title, and a GBA one at that:

Mario and Luigi: Superstar Saga

That silly pseudo-Italian pidgin the Mario Bros. speak was great.

odifiend · « **Reply #301 on:** April 16, 2004, 01:00:39 AM »

Hah, yeah I've got M&L, and I still go around saying Luigi's catch phrase. But it is funny that you should mention a GBA game to show Nintendo's prowess in sound (esp. when were talking about the GCN

). It was playing Pokemon Colosseum that I was initially like, 'WTF, Nintendo', with respect to sound. They only new sound they put into the game was the pokeballs opening and being recalled, and the subdued background music; everything else was recycled from the GBA game. Upon going back and playing my other games, I noticed similar trends. The only Nintendo games that I own that seem on in the sound department are SSBM, Metroid Prime, WW, and Double Dash. That's four out of eight.

mouse_clicker · « **Reply #302 on:** April 16, 2004, 03:15:32 AM »

odifiend: Are you sggesting that SK and Nintendo split because Nintendo doesn't use voice actingand SK does? I wasn't joknig when I said you guys were coming up with some pretty bad excuse. =\

Bill Aurion · « **Reply #303 on:** April 16, 2004, 03:27:53 AM »

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The only Nintendo games that I own that seem on in the sound department are SSBM, Metroid Prime, and Double Dash. That's three out of eight.

I might have to kill you for not having Wind Waker on there...

odifiend · « **Reply #304 on:** April 16, 2004, 03:38:55 AM »

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Originally posted by: odifiend
Nintendo pretty much cheaps out on sound while SK places a lot of emphasis on atmosphere and sound which obviously costs more money (for only a small pay off on the GCN). Nintendo's and SK's bottomlines clash, probably not the reason for a break up but I'm just saying...

I don't blame you for not reading other posts b/c the thread is kind of long at this point

. I'm just trying to throw ideas out there as opposed to ranting. If you read my posts, they contradict themselves constantly with regards to what could have caused the separation. If a possible scenario occurs to me, I post it as this is the SK and Nintendo thread as you so eloquently put it

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Also it is obvious that voice acting costs more money and Nintendo doesn't have its war chest by spending on voice acting. It could be possible that Nintendo suggested that SK drop voice acting so both companies don't lose as much money and production time, and SK may have become disillusioned with Nintendo. Possible, not probable.

Bill: Fine, I'll put WW on there, too. I was probably being biased cuz I just don't like the game. Though the sailing music along with sailing got old for me, the battle music was great as usual in a Zelda game as were the SFX.

yellowfellow · « **Reply #305 on:** April 16, 2004, 05:15:52 AM »

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Also it is obvious that voice acting costs more money and Nintendo doesn't have its war chest by spending on voice acting. It could be possible that Nintendo suggested that SK drop voice acting so both companies don't lose as much money and production time, and SK may have become disillusioned with Nintendo. Possible, not probable.

I do see not using voice-acting as an off-shoot of maybe differing philosophies, however, I'm not so sure a lack of voice acting is due so much to a unwillingness to spend money. SK are a content heavy studio; they like making games that tell elaborate stories and the like. Nintendo on the other hand have always been more focused on making the play of the game stand out while the story seems to take a back seat. not to say nintendo games don't have stories, but i think it's miyamoto's philosophy to have the person playing the game feel like it is them "in the game"... zelda is good example i think. granted other characters in the game can have voices while leaving the main character speechless, so my theory is obviously not the definitive reason, however, i do believe it maybe a part of their reluctance to use voice.

ThePerm · « **Reply #306 on:** April 16, 2004, 06:50:45 AM »

hmm well if they did want to port it all they would have to do is replace mario and yoshi with Goemon and Ebisumaru and replace Iwata with the action director they used.

vudu · « **Reply #307 on:** April 16, 2004, 09:58:13 AM »

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That interview freaks me out. What could possibly make Silicon Knights go from "the partnership has got a long time to go" to ending the partnership only a year later? Something BIG must have happened. I really want to find out the details now.

who's to say that it was sk that "dumped" nintendo? perhaps it was the other way around.

as i said before, i read in an ign mailbag that "a few" sk employees had recently left the company to start another. perhaps "a few" means many (or even all, minus denis) of the key development people have left sk and nintendo didn't want to float the bill for future games.

it's also possible that since denis didn't want sk to be a 2nd party, sk was having troubles paying the bills by only selling games on nintendo consoles. if sk wants (a) to remain independent, and (b) to make enough money to survive, developing for non-nintendo platforms might have been necessary. i think i'm in the majority here when i said a multi-platform sk game is better than no sk game at all.

jasonditz · « **Reply #308 on:** April 16, 2004, 11:12:44 AM »

Good point kingvudu, we all know what happened to Rare after all the GE/PD people left for places like Free Radical.

Maybe Nintendo didn't feel "Grabbed by the Eternal Darkness" was a noteworthy sequel.

jasonditz · « **Reply #309 on:** April 16, 2004, 11:13:55 AM »

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Hah, yeah I've got M&L, and I still go around saying Luigi's catch phrase.

Which one? Whenever someone I know who is familiar with the title says something dubious, I still do the "Oh yeah!" voice with the Luigi laughing motion.

the_zombie_luke · « **Reply #310 on:** April 16, 2004, 02:54:05 PM »

Edit: I just hope SK will have more freedom than ever before.

odifiend · « **Reply #311 on:** April 16, 2004, 03:01:19 PM »

His sterotypically Italien speak: Omanototo Totorabaro(?). Puts a smile on my face everytime. And people think sterotypes are bad.

RE-Edit: VOID

Just read the ign boards via zombie luke, apparantly there is a god and he loves to test those "on the edge" with regards to Nintendo. Hell yes, I was so wrong. Point and laugh at my tears...of joy!

*seizes with pleasure*

So what's the word? Is there in fact a ED2 in the works and this is a stunt for promotion purposes? Why did Dennis decide now was a good time to deny the claim-in an IGN message board no less? I know many don't trust IGN, and while I agree they are opinionated professionals, they are professionals none the less. I don't understand how they got two wrong confirmations from both parties unless it is a ruse. And if it is a ruse, other than "Haha half of Nintendo's fans are pessimistic and a fourth are whiners," where the hell is the bloody punchline?

the_zombie_luke · « **Reply #312 on:** April 16, 2004, 03:15:05 PM »

Odifiend, bad news. That post was from 2002, and Dyack did refute it then, but now, he has done no such thing. I'm sorry, I messed up. I should have looked closer. I'm sorry.

odifiend · « **Reply #313 on:** April 16, 2004, 03:20:42 PM »

No problem you just crushed my dreams

. But I fuess that does answer alot of those questions, eh?

the_zombie_luke · « **Reply #314 on:** April 16, 2004, 03:25:30 PM »

I read that, and I was like "Yeah!, all is back to normal!" Then I saw that, and oh, game over. I'm not as shook over SK, and I'll get any system they go to. I did overreact before about Nintendo, and I should not have. But there all still unanswered questions. Everyone has IGN as a source, and IGN did contact Dyack, but there has not been an official Nintendo press release. Why?

Bill Aurion · « **Reply #315 on:** April 16, 2004, 03:28:43 PM »

Dyack says: Wait until E3...

akdaman1 · « **Reply #316 on:** April 16, 2004, 03:30:28 PM »

I forgot who but someone from this site contacted Dyack and confirmed the news. I think it was Johnnyboy.

odifiend · « **Reply #317 on:** April 16, 2004, 03:36:46 PM »

Yep, Johnny confirmed it vocally with the Dyack. Hey bill, has he really gone on record of saying that lately or are you just saying it? I can't find him saying ANYTHING except at IGN. You wouldn't miss quote him, would you?

Bill Aurion · « **Reply #318 on:** April 16, 2004, 04:06:39 PM »

Never!

It's just that I can read his thoughts...and...err...

*runs away*

the_zombie_luke · « **Reply #319 on:** April 16, 2004, 04:39:54 PM »

How come the time that SK news was posted here at PGC was at 3:33 PM?

PaLaDiN · « **Reply #320 on:** April 16, 2004, 04:49:41 PM »

Haha... I never even noticed that.

The Darkness Comes!

Mario · « **Reply #321 on:** April 16, 2004, 04:52:26 PM »

It will prank us all!

Bill Aurion · « **Reply #322 on:** April 16, 2004, 04:52:38 PM »

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How come the time that SK news was posted here at PGC was at 3:33 PM?

It's nothing...You're just going insane...

the_zombie_luke · « **Reply #323 on:** April 16, 2004, 04:55:51 PM »

There are also some other weird connections. For instance, the PGC news story uses IGN's quote of NOA. I'm not calling Johnny of PGC a liar, or Matt of IGN a liar, but they both seem to be friends of Dyack, so if this a hoax, they would be in on it. I'm sure the news is real, but all of these things keep popping up. I want to see an official press release now.

Gremio · « **Reply #324 on:** April 16, 2004, 05:10:35 PM »

I'm kinda doubting it but I really hope it's a Sanity Effect for ED2.... and if it is, it'll sure be one majorly thought out gag on a lot of people. I sent an email to NOA asking if SK went 3rd party and got this response this afternoon:

"The information that I have is that Silicon Knights is now free to make games for other platforms. In the past, they developed games exclusively for use on Nintendo systems. "

:/

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Author Topic: Silicon Knights and Nintendo break up (Read 103573 times)