Author Topic: Silicon Knights and Nintendo break up (Read 94239 times)

Perfect Cell · « **Reply #100 on:** April 13, 2004, 04:47:06 PM »

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It's not that bad for Nintendos market share.

Would a prospective buyer prefer Too Human or Mario Party Rehash 11 ... Maybe Silicon Knights games didnt sell as well as Nintendo hoped. But thats not Silicon Knights fault. Not giving a single commercial to Twin Snakes, and the litle or no advertisement for ED is at fault. I especially think Nintendo Power is an example of this, their lack of coverage of "Mature Games" is basically an extension of Nintendos lack of foresight. Nintendo doesnt belive Mature Gamers are important, when statistically they are the largest slice of the pie now. The Kidde/Family games are no longer the dominant majority in the gaming industry. Nintendo doesnt see this, this is why eventually they will loose Market Share.

Bill Aurion · « **Reply #101 on:** April 13, 2004, 04:52:58 PM »

"Would a prospective buyer prefer Too Human or Mario Party Rehash 11"

Would you like to make a guess at which one would sell more? My bet's on Mario Party...

Mario · « **Reply #102 on:** April 13, 2004, 04:53:07 PM »

Well considering every Mario Party game sells over a million copies worldwide, and there's not even any info on Too Human, i'd think most people would buy Mario Party, but that's only going by sales of Eternal Darkness and Twin Snakes, since we have no real knowledge of Too Human at all.

Ian Sane · « **Reply #103 on:** April 13, 2004, 04:55:04 PM »

SK may not amount to a large percentage of Nintendo's sales but they are very talented and they certainly have the potential to make a huge system selling hit. Therefore losing their exclusivity is a big deal because they can go out and make a system selling killer app for another console. SK could be a dangerous competitor in the hands of Sony or MS who unlike Nintendo actually know how to market mature games.

mouse_clicker · « **Reply #104 on:** April 13, 2004, 05:05:23 PM »

Ian summed up my thoughts on that situation- although SK doesn't compromise a lot of Nintendo's sales, they're an extremely talented developer, and losing that kind of talent regardless of sales is always bad.

I still think it's a hoax, though.

Mario · « **Reply #105 on:** April 13, 2004, 05:10:19 PM »

That i can agree with, which is why i hope Sony or Microsoft don't get any exclusive SK game(s).

the_zombie_luke · « **Reply #106 on:** April 13, 2004, 05:15:04 PM »

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Originally posted by: mouse_clicker
Ian summed up my thoughts on that situation- although SK doesn't compromise a lot of Nintendo's sales, they're an extremely talented developer, and losing that kind of talent regardless of sales is always bad.

I still think it's a hoax, though.

Yeah, that would be funny. Ashton Kutcher fooled everyone when he announced Punk'd would no longer air, and then later he admitted new episodes were coming. Dyack would get a big laugh out of this "sanity effect."

Chongman · « **Reply #107 on:** April 13, 2004, 05:17:46 PM »

What the hell? What are you guys doing? Why are you being so dumb??

After reading every post and the article on pgc, I've come to the conclusion that the only facts we truly do know is:

1) the contract ended, which could equal three different outcomes
a. They want to develop for all consoles
b. Another company bought them out
c. Nintendo is preparing to buy them and SK is psyching everyone out...if you own the company, what's the need for a so called "exclusivity contract??"

2) this came suddenly, with absolutely no knowledge from either party, no forewarning, absolutely NO REASON.

How can you legitimetly blame nintendo? What if Too Human is announced at E3 for GC, where will all you naysayers be? How can you say for certain it WONT be? Using the same argument, I can't truthfully say I know it will, but I don't know it if it wont be either. So how can you even start to blame nintendo? How do you know they did something wrong? How do you know it was internal, or, god forbid a factual quote from nintendo, it wasn't a MUTUAL parting, just like they claim?

Look, if next week they announce an amazingly looking PS2 game, i'll be right here on the boards, pissing my pants and shouting expletatives at nintendo right along side the rest of you. Heck, I may even send death threats to Iawata, but the fact is we don't know what SK's next direction is, where they're going with this, or if this is anyone's SINGLE fault?

So stop naysaying. Once we get some answers, may the doom prophocies begin. Until then...just save it.

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I was hoping to see them make a Kid Icarus or a Zelda title. Instead ill be forced to buy an X-box to play their games

THE most idiotic post I've read so far in this topic

Flames_of_chaos · « **Reply #108 on:** April 13, 2004, 05:35:19 PM »

Im with MouseClicker this is a fake thingie. Cause Dyack has a strong Nintendo relationship. So please do us all a favor stop the soap opera. Stop the dramatic anti nintendo things, and stop the death of gamecube, in these forums bashing nintendo and nintendo doom threads got as old as killing people in GTA and Postal 2.

Berny · « **Reply #109 on:** April 13, 2004, 05:38:41 PM »

Please, God. LATE April Fool's joke. PLEASE!!!! Dyack wouldn't do this to us. Ninty wouldn't let them go. SK wouldn't want to leave.

I'm in panic mode! *A SPLODE!!!!*

Ian Sane · « **Reply #110 on:** April 13, 2004, 05:39:45 PM »

Now I would be estatic if this was a hoax but I think it's really unrealistic to think that it will be. What would SK accomplish with something like this? They've managed to annoy and confuse their fanbase with it. Blatantly fooling your fanbase just for kicks isn't good customer relations.

Pale · « **Reply #111 on:** April 13, 2004, 05:41:44 PM »

There is a good chance Denis is reading through this thread.... Please give us some input man...

Anyway, something is really fricked up in Nintendo-world and I think MS has something to do with it.... I have a feeling next generation isn't gonna be more of the same, and that there is only gonna be two competing consoles.....who knows how that will work itself out though.

Berny · « **Reply #112 on:** April 13, 2004, 05:46:54 PM »

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Originally posted by: Ian Sane
Now I would be estatic if this was a hoax but I think it's really unrealistic to think that it will be. What would SK accomplish with something like this? They've managed to annoy and confuse their fanbase with it. Blatantly fooling your fanbase just for kicks isn't good customer relations.

You're right, Ian. I'm sorry to admit it but you are. I am *THIS* close to boycotting all Nintendo products because of this. First Namco backstabs us with Tales, now this. The future is bleak. This had better not be true. Dammit Dyack, HOW CAN YOU SCREW WITH OUR MINDS LIKE THIS?!

Doesn't he occasionaly post on these boards? Dyack, are you reading this? WHY?!

Perfect Cell · « **Reply #113 on:** April 13, 2004, 05:47:52 PM »

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THE most idiotic post I've read so far in this topic

Why is that? If Eternal Darkness 2, or Too Human are X-box exclusive (Very possible) i will buy an Xbox to play these games. I loved Eternal Darkness too much to miss out on the sequel.

Is this fake? doubtfull... While i admit, Dennis's reluctance to explain why he would suddenly break apart from Nintendo, after being qouted on topics like Kid Icarus, Zelda and his admiration for all things Nintendo, its probably not because its some sort of scam... More like Sony or Microsoft bought them out, and they are waiting to announce it officially soon. Dennis said he might work something out with Nintendo in the future, but not certain.

mouse_clicker · « **Reply #114 on:** April 13, 2004, 05:52:39 PM »

Ian: I don't know about you, but if I'm right and this DOES turn out to be fake, I'll regard it is the finest prank in the history of mankind, and I'd have even more respect for SK and Nintendo than I do now.

Chongman · « **Reply #115 on:** April 13, 2004, 05:54:08 PM »

I thought it was very dumb because you seem to be jumping conclusions extremely early, almost as if you're sure SK sold out to microsoft. That just seems ill thought out and there's no evidence to support anything like that

Ian Sane · « **Reply #116 on:** April 13, 2004, 05:55:57 PM »

"Ian: I don't know about you, but if I'm right and this DOES turn out to be fake, I'll regard it is the finest prank in the history of mankind, and I'd have even more respect for SK and Nintendo than I do now."

I think it depends on what the final result would be. If it was a creative way to announce a game then it's all fine. If it's just to be funny I would be a little peeved.

mouse_clicker · « **Reply #117 on:** April 13, 2004, 05:58:11 PM »

I'm assuming it would be to promote Eternal Darkness 2- after all Silicon Knights does have a Gamecube game to show off at E3 that's not Too Human.

Procession · « **Reply #118 on:** April 13, 2004, 05:59:07 PM »

This is a shame, for sure. ED was IMHO the best title next to Metroid Prime this generation. Nintendo should have done all they could to stop this happening.

Perfect Cell · « **Reply #119 on:** April 13, 2004, 06:03:59 PM »

Sorry but its not a joke. Look at IGNs Mail bag

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Denis Dyack gets along very well with Nintendo's higher-ups, including Shigeru Miyamoto and Satoru Iwata, but that doesn't mean they share the same ideas about the elements that need to be considered to make great software. In the end, I believe SK wanted more creative freedom and the ability to make the titles it really wanted to.....Whether or not Silicon Knights makes more GameCube titles, I don't know. Right now my feeling is that it won't -- at least not immediately

Chongman · « **Reply #120 on:** April 13, 2004, 06:07:57 PM »

that whole comment is purely opinion, so I'm still not sure.

I'm not denying it or anything, I just want reasons, from them, you know?

Perfect Cell · « **Reply #121 on:** April 13, 2004, 06:11:20 PM »

Thats fine, i wouldnt mind it either. I do think that if Dennis did not explain his reasons for leaving Nintendo to IGN, Gamespot and PGC, i dont nececarily think he will come here and post his explenations. Its probably buisness related, and buisness related things are kept on the "down low".

NinGurl69 *huggles · « **Reply #122 on:** April 13, 2004, 06:11:43 PM »

This better [not?] be one elaborate, industry-wide SANITY EFFECT.

ThePerm · « **Reply #123 on:** April 13, 2004, 06:12:58 PM »

they werent going to make any titles immediately anyways

its not like eternal darkness 2 is coming out tommorow.

gwgtrunks · « **Reply #124 on:** April 13, 2004, 06:13:34 PM »

Unless those buisness related things cause mass hysteria among your fanbase. Then they need to come and do some damage controll, big time, if they want us to calm down.

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Author Topic: Silicon Knights and Nintendo break up (Read 94239 times)