Author Topic: Silicon Knights and Nintendo break up (Read 94387 times)

Zeks · « **Reply #50 on:** April 13, 2004, 11:55:56 AM »

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To all those who assume this situation is Nintendo's decision, you may be wrong. Nintendo's investment in Silicon Knights was never fully disclosed; they may have had a 10% stake or it could have been 90%. But SK did remain an independent company, unlike Retro Studios, which is 100% owned by Nintendo and could never leave unless Nintendo sold them off. It is very possible that SK made this decision against Nintendo's wishes, if Nintendo held a minority stake in the company and could not carry enough influence to stop the break. In that case, if Nintendo chooses to keep its stake, they could continue to make money from SK even if the developer begins to release games on other platforms. This would be similar to the situation with Sony and SquareEnix. Then again, Nintendo may have decided to sell off their stake in SK to someone else, either another company or another shareholder (like Denis himself). Right now, the details of what is going on are completely in the dark, so we can't know.

Exactly. As for most of the ppl here, I can see where u all are comming from. But as Jonny said we dont know anything. I just love it when ppl jump to conlusions everytime somthing 'bad' happens and yall dont know jack about the situation. If this is money for oh lets say to help aquire other developers/technologies then depending on what those are Id be all for it. I already see ppl in this post adding to the numerous "Nintendo is doomed now....ummm....again" ideas. People can atleast wait till some kind of info is available b4 starting to bable. And FYI, no Im not a noob here, I just never post=Probly been here longer than most ;P.

evilnate · « **Reply #51 on:** April 13, 2004, 12:00:10 PM »

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This does not mean that I will not buy the next Nintendo console, what it does mean is that today’s news has made it quite clear…In this day and age, owning only one console system leaves you in the dark. When the next consoles are released, I think I might end-up with a N5/GCNext and an X-Box 2.

While I guess that I'm in an increasingly small minority, I just can't justify buying more than one console to my wife or daughter. Nintendo has offered me enough variety to justify making their consoles my choice, and up until the middle of last year, it looked like the N5 would be my next console. Now, with this and many other things that have been coming out of the Nintendo camp, I can't honestly say that.

King of Twitch · « **Reply #52 on:** April 13, 2004, 12:16:08 PM »

Ugh is nothing sacred anymore? I was really looking forward to Too Human. It sort of makes sense now how they kept refusing to talk about their next game after MGS; they probably didn't want to have to start on it only to have to switch to another system. But If I had a job where I could work with Shigeru Miyamoto and get advice from him, I'd do anything to keep it! Well whatever, good luck anyways.

mouse_clicker · « **Reply #53 on:** April 13, 2004, 12:23:54 PM »

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While I guess that I'm in an increasingly small minority, I just can't justify buying more than one console to my wife or daughter. Nintendo has offered me enough variety to justify making their consoles my choice, and up until the middle of last year, it looked like the N5 would be my next console. Now, with this and many other things that have been coming out of the Nintendo camp, I can't honestly say that.

No offense, but Nintendo's "variety" is Nintendo and no one else- if you're happy with your Gamecube I see absolutely no reason for you to not be happy with Nintendo's next console.

Besides, it's not like Silicon Knights is being bought up by somebody else, like Rare (who was SOLD, by the way)- they're just not only with Nintendo anymore. It's like when a psychologist tells a couple they should see other people for a while.

Mannypon · « **Reply #54 on:** April 13, 2004, 12:28:44 PM »

thanks jonnyboy, I couldnt believe all the negetivity towards nintendo in this topic. I understand taht it sucks that sk is not exclusive anymore but then it aint the end of the world. ED 2 which might not even ever be made and there other game that I cant seem to remember the name of right now aint goin to make or break nintendo. I been lookin foward to sk's work but it aint the reason I was goin to buy nintendo's next system. I buy nintendo's system for their games which is and should be everyone else's reason in here too, if you dont then you should be buyin ps2s or xboxs since they have practically everything on nintendo's system barrin nintendo's individual games. Who knows what happened here, maybe it wasnt nintendo's decision or maybe it was. We dont know and should already jump to the conclusion that its nintendo's fault. As for nintendo buyin small developers and building them up to greatness just to sell them off in the end is bull. Nintendo helps small developers and then it seems it gives them the freedom to go as they please. If a company doesnt want to be with you anymore, whats the point in even holdin on to their exclusivity? They'll get disgruntled and start makin garbage games and eventually they'll be sold out. So if a company might want to move on, dont blame nintendo for letting them do as they please. Sorry for ranting but I'm a fanboy

lol

The Omen · « **Reply #55 on:** April 13, 2004, 12:29:01 PM »

This sounds so shady. Something tells me somebody offered SK a bucketload of cash, and it was too much to refuse. Normally, i'd bet on that company being MS, but i have a strange feeling its Sony. And as usual, Nintendo decided not to make an even bigger offer, they just said "Goodbye. We'll get Kuju instead, for one tenth the price."

What really sucks is with E3 being so close, you just know you're going to hear "Too Human, only on PS2!" Now I have to really consider what the future of Nintendo is going to be. Blindly buying the N5 is not going to happen now. And i've owned every Nintendo console since the NES was released.

SLIVER · « **Reply #56 on:** April 13, 2004, 12:29:59 PM »

This is what they deserve, stupid Nintendo must have pissed them off really bad. Example: Did anyone ever see a single commercial of the Twin Snakes? I know this is Konamis responsability, but If i was owner of Nintendo I would of atleast mentioned it. Alot of people still don't know about this game unless they use the Internet alot.

All in all i think Nintendo Deserved this big time they did not appreciate their work very much. I for one are glad this happened!!

Hopefully they will now appreciate their work more and take them back?

Ian Sane · « **Reply #57 on:** April 13, 2004, 12:34:08 PM »

"It's like when a psychologist tells a couple they should see other people for a while."

If a psychologist told me that I'd kick him in the nuts.

So I guess you could consider that a bad analogy.

"Nintendo's 'variety' is Nintendo and no one else"

I guess that depends on what you consider standard for Nintendo consoles. I think of the NES, SNES, and Gameboy. I considered the N64 an anomaly; a one time goof up on Nintendo's part. Sadly the Cube has proven that theory wrong but I still desire the Nintendo that provided a console with a broad variety of titles from both first and third party fronts. Therefore if Nintendo continues to fail to live up to this expectation I would consider it perfectly valid grounds for switching to another console brand. I probably won't but I totally understand if others would.

Plus I associate SK with Nintendo since they were a second party. Losing them is losing variety in Nintendo's lineup since Nintendo no longer provides the SK experience. Losing Rare resulted in less variety as well.

gwgtrunks · « **Reply #58 on:** April 13, 2004, 12:36:50 PM »

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thanks jonnyboy, I couldnt believe all the negetivity towards nintendo in this topic. I understand taht it sucks that sk is not exclusive anymore but then it aint the end of the world. ED 2 which might not even ever be made and there other game that I cant seem to remember the name of right now aint goin to make or break nintendo. I been lookin foward to sk's work but it aint the reason I was goin to buy nintendo's next system. I buy nintendo's system for their games which is and should be everyone else's reason in here too, if you dont then you should be buyin ps2s or xboxs since they have practically everything on nintendo's system barrin nintendo's individual games. Who knows what happened here, maybe it wasnt nintendo's decision or maybe it was. We dont know and should already jump to the conclusion that its nintendo's fault. As for nintendo buyin small developers and building them up to greatness just to sell them off in the end is bull. Nintendo helps small developers and then it seems it gives them the freedom to go as they please. If a company doesnt want to be with you anymore, whats the point in even holdin on to their exclusivity? They'll get disgruntled and start makin garbage games and eventually they'll be sold out. So if a company might want to move on, dont blame nintendo for letting them do as they please. Sorry for ranting but I'm a fanboy lol

I happen to be a fanboy too. A currently VERY confused fanboy. I want answers, and I would like them NOW. At least with RARE we got some advanced notice, and a reason as to WHY they were going right away. If this happens to be Nintendo's move, I doubt I'll buy their next system. Maybe it'll be better for them to loose money, and wake up from the daze they've been in since Sony came in and took their industry away.

Perfect Cell · « **Reply #59 on:** April 13, 2004, 12:42:00 PM »

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I was goin to buy nintendo's next system. I buy nintendo's system for their games which is and should be everyone else's reason in here too, if you dont then you should be buyin ps2s or xboxs since they have practically everything on nintendo's system barrin nintendo's individual games

Nitnendos "inovation, and individuality" Is Extremely overated. Check out the Gamecubes lineup. Theres Wind Waker, and thats pretty much it. Metroid Prime was Retros baby. Eternal Darkness, one of the most inovative games ever was Silicon Knights. The Sanity Effects were worth price of admission alone. The Rest of the GCN lineup, is pretty much rehash and remakes. Mario Parties, Mario Sunshine, Mario Kart... ect ect. None of these screamed INOVATIVE! Like Nintendos SNES, and N64 titles did. They lost a great inovative group, that like IGN said, valued Story, technology, and games artistic flair, instead of Nintendos emphasis on old school gameplay.

Sirmorphix · « **Reply #60 on:** April 13, 2004, 12:45:22 PM »

News like this continues to dampen my spirits about Nintendo. How could they let Silicon Knights go? Silicon Knights is probably one of the best things that Nintendo had going for it. They had a second party developer, who was adding quality, well made, mature titles that, had Nintendo actually advertised any of their games sufficiently, would've gone a long way to help Nintendo break the image that they have been trying to lose.

Why is Nintendo intent on tormenting me? All I know now is that I'm starting to take a lot of reassurance in the fact that I recently just bought a PS2.

evilnate · « **Reply #61 on:** April 13, 2004, 12:47:47 PM »

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"It's like when a psychologist tells a couple they should see other people for a while."

If a psychologist told me that I'd kick him in the nuts. So I guess you could consider that a bad analogy.

"Nintendo's 'variety' is Nintendo and no one else"

I guess that depends on what you consider standard for Nintendo consoles. I think of the NES, SNES, and Gameboy. I considered the N64 an anomaly; a one time goof up on Nintendo's part. Sadly the Cube has proven that theory wrong but I still desire the Nintendo that provided a console with a broad variety of titles from both first and third party fronts. Therefore if Nintendo continues to fail to live up to this expectation I would consider it perfectly valid grounds for switching to another console brand. I probably won't but I totally understand if others would.

Plus I associate SK with Nintendo since they were a second party. Losing them is losing variety in Nintendo's lineup since Nintendo no longer provides the SK experience. Losing Rare resulted in less variety as well.

You took my response. Nintendo used to have the broadest variety of games. Fighting games, platformers, action games, shooters, RPGs, heck, even sports games were well represented on Nintendo consoles. Like Ian, I considered the N64 an anomaly, brought about by their reluctance to switch to a disc-based format. With the cube, I think that they did everything right on the hardware front, but on the software front, not so much. And it's this ever shrinking variety of software, a trend which has been going on with Nintendo consoles for eight years now, that throws my next console purchase into doubt.

akdaman1 · « **Reply #62 on:** April 13, 2004, 12:48:12 PM »

{ Sacrasm ] - What a suprise, Nintendo screwd up ? No way. Nintendo never screw up. { end Sacarsm }

Again. It happened again. I wake up to some bad news. When was the bloddy last time when I wake up, go to Igncube and see a new exclusive title being announced ?

A year ago during E3 I was extremly happy. Let me tell you why.

Viewtiful Joe
Mario Kart DD
Tales of Symphonia
Baten Kaitos
Resident Evil
Geist
Custom Robo
Killer 7
Metal Gear Solid
Final Fantasy Chrystal Chronicals

Now let me show you something -

Viewtiful Joe - Being ported over to the PS2
Mario Kart DD - Dissapointing
Tales of Symphonia - Being Ported
Baten Kaitos - Poor sales in Jap , almost 100% sure its gonna be ported. And if it doesnt then I still wont play it because wont come out in AUS.

Resident Evil - Im happy about this, no complaints.
Geist - Looooonnnggg time away and could be utter crap , but so far it looks AWSOME.
Custom Robo - Looks good ( when does it come out in AUS ? )
Killer 7 - being ported
Metal Gear Solid - AWSOME GAME ( Highly Reccomended BUT SK could have been working on an original project instead of this )
Final Fantasy Chrystal Chronicals - Looks over at FF on PS2 ...nuff said.

Over half the games I wanted turned out to be dissapointing or on another system.

Nintendo have lost it. What are they thinkning ?

Although I never really caught on to ED I do see why alot of people loved it. It had a great story and the battle system was better then most Horror games.

Silicon Knights were awsome, they were making games with crazy concepts and were able to pull them off. I was looking forward to one of these crazy concepts ( Too Human ) but ...whaddya know. Its most likley gonna be on PS2 or Xbox.

I DONT BLAME SILICON KNIGHTS. They wanna part ways from Nintendo. Who wouldnt wanna. I mean why would you wanna devolep for a soon-to-be dead company ?

Im dissapointed and unless Nintendo do something MAJOR at e3 then consider this the last ( GCN ) Nintendo system I own.

odifiend · « **Reply #63 on:** April 13, 2004, 12:48:22 PM »

THIS can't be happening!

Couldn't resist.

gwgtrunks · « **Reply #64 on:** April 13, 2004, 12:52:12 PM »

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THIS can't be happening!
Couldn't resist.

Oh if this turns out to be some 'clever' marketing scheme for ED 2, I'm going on a killing rampage.

mouse_clicker · « **Reply #65 on:** April 13, 2004, 12:52:49 PM »

I still think this sounds fishy- Silicon Knights made a grand total of 2 Gamecube games. There absolutely NO indication SK and Nintendo were splitting up. You'd think something as huge as Nintendo losing one of its second parties would have had rumblings long before (as we all know was very much the case with Rare and even Leftfield), but there was quite literally nothing. In fact, all we heard out of either party was immense admiration and respect for the partner. Everything Nintendo and Dyack have said not only lacks specifics, which is to be expected, but is intensely stereotypical as well. So the split up can't be because of sales, it can't be because of "clashing philosophies (we all know that's bullcrap), and it can't be because of lack of involvement or of the such. The simple lack of a plausible reason is enough for suspicion, but it's not the only one present. Maybe I'm still in denial, but if this turns out to be a late April Fool's joke, I called it.

And jesus guys, enough with the Nintendo bashing! I expected you guys to brush it off and say it doesn't really matter, but instead you took the polar opposite approach. Moderation is the key- nothing good will ever come out of being a radical, at least not here.

BigJim · « **Reply #66 on:** April 13, 2004, 12:54:29 PM »

Best of luck to Denis and the SK gang. This is sad news for Nintendo fans, but it may be better for gamers as a whole.

Perhaps the types of games SK wants to make are simply not best suited for GameCube. As a fan of SK as well, I want them to be successful. A game like ED or a concept like Too Human would probably do really well on PS2 or Xbox.

They can still make GCN games. This isn't Rare over again, unless someone in Redmond scoops them up in the next 24 hours with a piece of their $52 billion in corporate cash.

Perfect Cell · « **Reply #67 on:** April 13, 2004, 01:00:46 PM »

I expected you guys to brush it off and say it doesn't really matter, but instead you took the polar opposite approach

Fact is, It DOES matter. There is no way a Nintendo fan can spin this. It Hurts Nintendo, and that doesnt make me happy.

odifiend · « **Reply #68 on:** April 13, 2004, 01:01:56 PM »

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THIS can't be happening!
Couldn't resist.

Oh if this turns out to be some 'clever' marketing scheme for ED 2, I'm going on a killing rampage.

I didn't even think of that. Lol. That would be so awesome. I could conceivably see Mr. Dyack leading us astray but I just can't see a Nintendo spokesperson confirming a ploy. Pray that I'm wrong though...
What really hurts about this news is that SK released M-rated games on GCN and as great as they both were, they saw the financial results. Only if Mr. Dyack is a blind fanboy could he even think about releasing Too Human on a Nintendo console. Unfortunately he is a businessman so I just don't see it happening. The darkness consumes me.

mouse_clicker · « **Reply #69 on:** April 13, 2004, 01:02:20 PM »

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Fact is, It DOES matter. There is no way a Nintendo fan can spin this. It Hurts Nintendo, and that doesnt make me happy.

You know what they say about assuming! Please don't put words in my mouth- I never said this wasn't horrible (if true), and I love SK just as much, if not more, than anyone here. But that doesn't mean I'm going to go off of a diatribe about Nintendo for no reason other than I like to read my own writing. Like Johnny said, it may not have even been Nintendo's decision!

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Oh if this turns out to be some 'clever' marketing scheme for ED 2, I'm going on a killing rampage.

You know, I wouldn't put that past Dyack, bless the man- this could, in fact, be the biggest insanity effect ever.

yellowfellow · « **Reply #70 on:** April 13, 2004, 01:07:11 PM »

as BigJim said, SK's games could probably do very well on a PS2 or xbox and like Jonnyboy said, this is probably more Sk's decision than nintendo's. i think, nintendo has decided it makes too much money off of it's everybody/kiddy market and has come to grips with the fact thaat it'll never be a mainstream console. SK then decided to leave since it has to make money to stay in business.

BigJim · « **Reply #71 on:** April 13, 2004, 01:11:33 PM »

Now that I think about it, perhaps this plan is the reason why Too Human could never be discussed. Maybe it's a PS2 title afterall?

What else are they working on now that Twin Snakes is done?

Epitaph · « **Reply #72 on:** April 13, 2004, 01:21:24 PM »

This is just stating that nintendo has finally changed its name to shed the kiddy image. It will now be knows as the nudaholicbloodclan. That must be it. That or Nintendo has been influenced by the riaa's buisness decisions and wants to see if pissing off your clientel helps sales.

My only other thought is that the next nintendo system will be totally simplistic and have very little buttons and be focused solely towards the younger market as they havegiven up on a older market. You never know i didn't think it before but now im not too sure.

Im actually starting to think it may be a good think if nintendo just went 3rd party.

akdaman1 · « **Reply #73 on:** April 13, 2004, 01:26:24 PM »

I can see it

The N5 ...go to your nearest K-Mart and buy it ...NOW ( Whole time a little tamagochi is on the screen )

WesDawg · « **Reply #74 on:** April 13, 2004, 01:33:20 PM »

This makes me all sad. Why Dennis? Why? We know you're reading. Talk to us!!!

In other news, don't you dare say it'd be good if M$ bought them up. M$ bought up Rare and they've become one of the crappiest developers around. Anytime I hear about the possibility of them teaming up with Ninty or SK now I shudder to think of the horrible derivative games that could be made. I'm hoping Dennis just figured out that SK could make more profit per game if they went independent, but still developed for my Cube. I hope so at least...

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Author Topic: Silicon Knights and Nintendo break up (Read 94387 times)