Topic: Why are people still whining that there aren't enough games?

[KDR_11k]

Complain about the sequels on other platforms all you want, when you've only had Nintendo platforms before many cookie-cutter rehashes will still seem new to you because there was never a good game of that design on a Nintendo console.

As for third party support Ian, what about the fact that we got several exclusives from EA? And that the Wii has the best version of Pro Evo '08, a series the GC never got? Boom Blox doesn't seem like a big deal now but you can be pretty damn sure EA will make everyone and their mother know that Steven Spielberg made a game for the Wii. What about Monster Hunter Wii? The Japanese seem to love those games.

Besides, with "at this time" don't you mean post-E3?

[GoldenPhoenix]

I view Wii vs PS3/Xbox 360 as more of a contrast then a comparison. Personally I think to get the complete spectrum of gaming experiencing owning a Wii and either a Xbox 360 or PS3. Wii has some amazing games that you cannot find anywhere else (Boom Blox!). The same can be said about 360/PS3 which are more traditional in their gaming experiences. 

[Kairon]

Let's not forget that the Wii is an AND console. Reggie said so, so it must be true!

[Infernal Monkey]

Sorry guys I'm too busy playing Pinball Hall of Fame: Williams Collection and Dream Pinball 3D. :]

[Nick DiMola]

Here is my opinion, get a 360 Mashiro. There are DEFINITELY games worth playing on the system, especially if you like FPSs. I think everyone is just touchy on the subject because as Nintendo fans all you ever hear from 90% of the gaming world is how childish and immature Nintendo games are. Hell even the president of Epic said so, and you know when that happens just how bad it is. I think people also respect you and don't want to see you drop $400 on something that you seem so on the fence about.

But like I said, go buy the 360, now is the perfect opportunity. Best Buy is offering $50 GCs to anyone who picks up any version of the 360 and GTA IV together, can't go wrong with that.

[EasyCure]

I'm with KDR when it comes to the "grass is greener" argument. To anyone who grew up with one system, in this case nintendo branded ones, will eventually grow tired of the types of games it has to offfer. This is especially the case if you lived thru the N64 and GC periods where 3rd party support was lacking.

It's natural to want to experience more (gaming can be a selfish hobby afterall) and even though alot of us "know" that gaming experiences on other current platforms are "even more of 'more of the same," to someone who hasn't experienced them, or soemone in Mashiros case where he feels deprived of those experiences, it'll still feel like new.

If you're having fun playing your friends 360 and hitting up xbox live, get one. Just know that in another few years you might be burnt out on gaming in general (and not just the nintendo stuff) because these new experiences will feel old once you play them and their sequels more and more often.

Eventually you'll realize that gaming hasn't made that many leaps and bounds as we think. Making prettier graphics and adding more enemies gets tired when you start to feel like you're doing the same old things over and over again. Once you realize no matter what console you choose you'll be playing the same game with a new coat of paint on it, whether its this gen or next gen or 3 gens from now*. Thats when you have to decide if its still something you're into or not. I've been there, and obviously I'm still into gaming, but i won't kid myself and think that HD graphics or motion controls is anything groundbreaking, because i'll still be playing the games i did as a kid.

*I don't care if the next Nintendo/Microsoft/Sony/God forbit EA console has holographics displays or VR helmets, i'll still be playing a GAME where i'll either have to pass that guy and race to the finish, shoot a bunch of people until i get to some giant creature and find its weak point for massive damage, beat my way up to the top of a larg roster of insane fighters, jump around collecting stuff, manage inventory and magic points and level up a whole bunch, or catch 'em all.

[Mashiro]

Thanks guys, that's some solid and much appreciated input. =)

[animecyberrat]

I myself am torn also, I love the Wii and everything it represents but sitting at my friends house playing Crackdown was just so much fun for me. I know that aside from that there isn't a lot on the 360 and to tell you the truth it is the same with Wii, I just don't find myself playing much of anything anymore.

 I prefer to sit down and play some Shinobi III or Sim City on the VC than half of what is out now. I lost interest in gaming in the middle of the GC life, and I had a PS2 and an Xbox and gamed on my PC so it was like it hit me pretty hard, I just don't play much anymore. But I do not think the Wii doesn't have a great selection of games and some how 360 has better games, not even one bit, I liked Crackdown, so far that and Eternal Sonata were the two games I enjoyed the most.

Maybe it is I just haven't had money to buy anything new I don't know. I know that I like RPG's and so far, the 360 has those and the Wii doesn't but I don't think getting a 360 will make much difference. If I could afford all three consoles you can bet your bottom dollar I'd already have them. I got Wii on day one because I wanted one and for the first time in my entire life I got a console on day one because I did not want to miss on second of this "revolution" I had been hearing about for three years. but hey Ghostbusters is still coming to Wii and now Star Wars Force Unleashed is also so those are two 3rd party games that should satisfy any gamer.


So to sum it up, I am with everyone on the Wii has more than it's fair share of great games but I am with Ian and Mashiro in that it really does feel like it is lacking to some extent. Plus I enjoy fighting games and Wii doesn't have but 2 I like and they were better on GC. Maybe once I get some money coming in and I can afford to buy more games things will change until then I am happy with Virtual Console and the five Wii games I have.

[Nick DiMola]

So to sum it up, I am with everyone on the Wii has more than it's fair share of great games but I am with Ian and Mashiro in that it really does feel like it is lacking to some extent.

Gaming in general is lacking, I don't think that can be restricted to just the Wii. Not enough devs willing to take risks anymore. I see potential in WiiWare for this reason though, and I think there will be some truly unique and stunning titles coming through there.

[DAaaMan64]

I don't bother reading or caring about threads like this, however, a 360/PS3 doesn't interest me enough because I find those games on the other systems very easily forgettable and they all seem to have a sexual obsession with games that look "mature" or "cool."  Which to me is a douche bag alert right there. 

I mean I rarely ever give "mature" or "cool" games the time of day unless they are authentically innovative or a series I already knew I enjoyed.  Otherwise, I hear the same game over and over when I hear my friends talk about their 360 games.

[Kairon]

Aren't there only two systems that can reasonably make an argument for having a full breadth of gaming? The PC and DS?

[Luigi Dude]

Gaming in general is lacking, I don't think that can be restricted to just the Wii. Not enough devs willing to take risks anymore.

Exactly, Nintendo isn't perfect, but the rest of the industry is just as bad and in some cases like EA, much much worse.

Unlike what some of you think, I also play Non Nintendo systems and I have all my life.  And this generation so far is the worst I've seen in terms of innovation.  Every other gen, companies would use the extra power of a system to do things they couldn't in the previous one, except now.  So far most games that have been on the PS3/360 could have easily been done on the PS2.  The extra power of these systems is only being used for graphics and that's about it.

[NinGurl69 *huggles]

PC and DS have games where you poke young maidens.  So they have the widest spectrum.

"The extra power of these systems is only being used for graphics and that's about it."

Bingo.  I wasn't crazy about what came out on xbox and ps2 yesterdecade, and the stuff that did interest me, and played, turned me off.  So I've probably saved thousands of dollars this console cycle by going Wii-only (where I've spent quite a bit, defeating any "lack of gaming experiences" notion crap).

Oh, and the recent lightgun port revival on Wii has pretty much defeated half the motivation behind my discount Dreamcast.

[GoldenPhoenix]

Dang that EA and their bland, uninspired crap like Spore. Dang them!

[NinGurl69 *huggles]

Vaporware.

[Luigi Dude]

Dang that EA and their bland, uninspired crap like Spore. Dang them!

One game doesn't change the company as a whole.  Plus Spore turning out well is because Will Wright is behind it.  Will Wright is one of the legends of the videogame industry, and the whole Sims series which Wright created is still making EA a ton of money right now.  If EA was to piss Wright off and start telling him what to do, he could easily go someplace else.  Considering how success Spore will be when it finally comes out, EA would not want to loss him right now.

But when you go to the rest of EA, it's business model is to product as many games as possible in the shortest amount of time.  They don't encourage their employees be creative with series, but to just copy and paste the same game they released last year in a new package this year.

Now occasionally EA might release something good and innovative, but that's usually from a company that they just bought out who was making that game BEFORE EA bought them.  And so if that game does well a sequel will be made right away in exactly 1 year that will have little change. 

Of course this is if the game does well.  If it doesn't then EA might just shut down that studio entirely.

[GoldenPhoenix]

Dang that EA and their bland, uninspired crap like Spore. Dang them!

One game doesn't change the company as a whole.  Plus Spore turning out well is because Will Wright is behind it.  Will Wright is one of the legends of the videogame industry, and the whole Sims series which Wright created is still making EA a ton of money right now.  If EA was to piss Wright off and start telling him what to do, he could easily go someplace else.  Considering how success Spore will be when it finally comes out, EA would not want to loss him right now.

But when you go to the rest of EA, it's business model is to product as many games as possible in the shortest amount of time.  They don't encourage their employees be creative with series, but to just copy and paste the same game they released last year in a new package this year.

Now occasionally EA might release something good and innovative, but that's usually from a company that they just bought out who was making that game BEFORE EA bought them.  And so if that game does well a sequel will be made right away in exactly 1 year that will have little change. 

Of course this is if the game does well.  If it doesn't then EA might just shut down that studio entirely.

I am not going to get into this stupid EA bashing, it is childish and ridiculous, look at Bioware, look at Maxis, heck look at most of the studios that EA has bought they put out good to great games. Every big company has a tendency to churn out sequels left and right, INCLUDING Nintendo. Many churn out games as fast as they can (THQ and Take-Two are pretty bad at this). I'd really like to see all these examples of EA shutting down a studio entirely as well, at least a significant one. Funny thing I recall Capcom doing the exact same thing to the developer of Okami.

EA has been one of the biggest 3rd party innovators on Wii, everything from new IPs like MySims to stand out and polished titles like MoH2. Not only that but Boom Blox is blowing people away and is something unique and NEW. Perhaps the biggest offenders EA has when it comes to short development cycles are their sports titles (Then again like I stated Take Two does the same thing) the Burnout series, and Medal of Honor.

[Infernal Monkey]

EA sucks.

Where's Rolo to the Rescue 2 already.

Oh right. Nowhere.

EA sucks.

[GoldenPhoenix]

EA sucks.

Where's Rolo to the Rescue 2 already.

Oh right. Nowhere.

EA sucks.

Lol

[Chozo Ghost]

I would call the SNES controller a traditional controller.

The Snes controller seems to be the most copied controller of all time, but when it first came out it was a bit revolutionary, I guess. It certainly had a major edge over the Genesis contrtoller, which was shaped like the batman symbol and only had three buttons. The SNES controller was the first one to have shoulder buttons, and the positioning of the X Y A B buttons was pretty much flawless. There is really nothing about the SNES controller that can be criticized, and that's why future controllers like the dualshock and Xbox controller are really just clones of the SNES controller, but with analog sticks tacked on.

Come to think of it, Nintendo seems to have come out with revolutionary controller with every system they made. Even the original NES controller was revolutionary, because it was the first one to have the D-pad, when in those days you mainly just had paddles and joysticks... The there was the weird three pronged controller thing for N64, which is certainly different, but not really practical. It was revolutionary for being the first to have an analog stick, but that advantage was lost because Sony tacked 2 onto their PS1 controller and stole the advantage.

The gamecube controller was probably the best one of the three controllers last gen, but this one didn't really offer anything new or innovating. I'd say the GC controller was one of the best traditional controller designs. To me, it feels good to hold onto, and the buttons are easy to figure out. I mean, the make the buttons different sizes, so you can feel the difference between one button and the next. Still, it just wasn't revolutionary. I won't say that was why the Gamecube failed as a console, but it probably was one of the factors for it.

Now we have the Wii's controller, and no one can claim this is something that's been done before. It's good that Nintendo is innovating once again, like they did with the NES and SNES, and maybe this is the key to the Wii's success. The N64 and GC didn't really offer anything very innovative controller wise, but all their other consoles did and were successful. Is that a coincidence?

[Mashiro]

That was more or less a reply to animecyberrat comment of "since when has Nintendo ever made "traditional" controllers anyways?" =)

But yes SNEs controller is IMHO the best controller I've ever used, period.

I think you are shorting the N64 controller. It's design (while not the best) really worked well for a number of games and incorporated the use of a trigger button and an analog stick perfectly, to me at least it felt like this. Plus the allocated expansion space allowed for the industry standard rumble feature =D

[Chozo Ghost]

Exactly, Nintendo isn't perfect, but the rest of the industry is just as bad and in some cases like EA, much much worse.

Eh, I don't think Nintendo fans should really bash EA, because EA has always supported Nintendo and included it in their multi-system games lineup. Granted, they do make a lot of multi-system crap, but at least that crap makes it's way to Nintendo hardware, and that's certainly more than can be said about many 3rd parties.

Plus, some of their games are pretty good. You just have to do a little research.

[IceCold]

The gamecube controller was probably the best one of the three controllers last gen, but this one didn't really offer anything new or innovating.

Hey hey hey, I'll defend digital click to my death. Plus, the Wavebird was the first decent RF wireless controller ever - I'd say it was innovative.

[Mashiro]

The Wavebird . . . the controller Nintendo NEVER should have stopped making.

[ShyGuy]

The wavebird is like James Dean man, the Wavebird legend grows 'cause only the good die young.