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Re: Why are people still whining that there aren't enough games?
« Reply #25 on: April 17, 2008, 06:37:28 PM »
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Or maybe your getting old and your tastes have changed. I keep thinking that way my self.

Yeah but I'm not even 30 yet.  Though I'll admit I haven't liked current music much at all since about 1996.  I don't like reality TV.  I don't chat on MSN much.  I don't text with my phone.  I don't have an iPod and have no real desire to have one.  I'm not on Facebook.  Is this the future?  I meet people five years younger than me and it's like they're from a different world.  I'm old at 26?!  Huh?  Maybe it's just a timing thing.  I am pretty much the youngest a person can be to have had a childhood without the internet.  Perhaps I'm just at the very end of one generation and people who are 20 or so are the very beginning of another one.

Still if someone from the future told me that ten years from now people who are with it at 12 are old fuddy duddies at 18 I'd believe them.  In the future it will be "don't trust anyone over 20" if it isn't already.

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Re: Why are people still whining that there aren't enough games?
« Reply #26 on: April 17, 2008, 06:38:56 PM »
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Re: Why are people still whining that there aren't enough games?
« Reply #27 on: April 17, 2008, 06:43:08 PM »
I don't know maybe you are right, maybe it is because guys like me and Ian are looking for the same types of games we played as kids and the new stuff isn't ever going to cut it. I can agree with that, I have more VC games than actual Wii games and there are fewer games I care for and most are sequels or remakes to tell you the truth. At least that is how I feel about it, Ian may be in a totally different state of mind. For me, the people who get excited about some of these new types of games seam a little crazy.

I haven't yet completely bought into the new way to play either to be honest. I have a DS, my DS library consists of Tetris DS, Sonic Rush, NEW Super Mario Bros, Mario 64 DS, Castlevania Dawn of Sorrow and I had Mario Kart DS but I traded it in a while back to get MP3.

As for Wii, I love Wii Play, I love Zelda, MP, and Super Paper Mario. I have two other games (I despise Wii Sports and only play it when other people are around  who want to) and that is all I have. There are a few games that interest me but for the most part they are "more of the same" the games for Wii I *want* are NiGHTS, Alien Syndrome, RE:UC, House of the Dead 2 and 3, and Brawl. Other than that there isn't any of the new stuff that has jumped out at me. It wasn't like that with GC, I ate everything up they threw at me. That is why I am torn, I strongly feel the Wii games are going to get better, but maybe it is me who just isn't that into them as much as I want to be. Damn I kinda contradicted myself didn't I?
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Or maybe your getting old and your tastes have changed. I keep thinking that way my self.

Yeah but I'm not even 30 yet.  Though I'll admit I haven't liked current music much at all since about 1996.  I don't like reality TV.  I don't chat on MSN much.  I don't text with my phone.  I don't have an iPod and have no real desire to have one.  I'm not on Facebook.  Is this the future?  I meet people five years younger than me and it's like they're from a different world.  I'm old at 26?!  Huh?  Maybe it's just a timing thing.  I am pretty much the youngest a person can be to have had a childhood without the internet.  Perhaps I'm just at the very end of one generation and people who are 20 or so are the very beginning of another one.

Still if someone from the future told me that ten years from now people who are with it at 12 are old fuddy duddies at 18 I'd believe them.  In the future it will be "don't trust anyone over 20" if it isn't already.

that is what I mean, not old as in old in life, but old enough that it changes things. That is how I feel and I am 25. I don't' fell old at all but everything you said is spot on with how I feel.
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Re: Why are people still whining that there aren't enough games?
« Reply #28 on: April 17, 2008, 07:07:50 PM »
People whine because Nintendo is the only company that's putting any effort in making good, original titles for the Wii. Not surprising, but not much different than Gamecube, the difference being Wii is successful. 3rd parties aren't really helping Nintendo sell the Wii, they're just feeding off Nintendo's success with a lot of second-rate efforts. While I'm extremely happy with the 3rd party Wii games I own, only 1 (No More Heroes) of them is original and exclusive. Every console has ports. However, ports on the Wii are mostly of last generation games which, understandably, don't count to some people.

I've bought a lot of Wii games this year, I'm picking up Okami tonight and Mario Kart next week. After Wii Fit though, I have nothing reserved. I'm not complaining as I have tons to play, I just find it odd since I ALWAYS have something reserved.
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Re: Why are people still whining that there aren't enough games?
« Reply #29 on: April 17, 2008, 09:24:08 PM »
Pro's right.  It's easier to change the world than it is to change yourself.
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Re: Why are people still whining that there aren't enough games?
« Reply #30 on: April 18, 2008, 12:34:01 AM »
People whine because Nintendo is the only company that's putting any effort in making good, original titles for the Wii. Not surprising, but not much different than Gamecube, the difference being Wii is successful. 3rd parties aren't really helping Nintendo sell the Wii, they're just feeding off Nintendo's success with a lot of second-rate efforts. While I'm extremely happy with the 3rd party Wii games I own, only 1 (No More Heroes) of them is original and exclusive. Every console has ports. However, ports on the Wii are mostly of last generation games which, understandably, don't count to some people.

I've bought a lot of Wii games this year, I'm picking up Okami tonight and Mario Kart next week. After Wii Fit though, I have nothing reserved. I'm not complaining as I have tons to play, I just find it odd since I ALWAYS have something reserved.

Somewhere out there, Zack and Wiki are crying their little hearts out...

But in all seriousness, aren't we all jumping the gun here? The Wii is only a year old, yet we are talking about it like its a lifetime of failure, especially on the third party front.

Yes, its true that third parties need to release better games. However, you can't ask for change to happen in an instant. You have to remember that things have changed drastically this generation. The Wii is a massive hit while the 360 and PS3 have failed to catch up to it, despite having better graphics, features and games. Nintendo has gone from the mocked and ridiculed console to being the cool kid that everyone wants to hang with.

Things are slowly changing, but are changing. Wii games are getting better all around. Take for example, Sega Superstars Tennis. While the overall game was criticized harshly for its gameplay, many said the best version to play is the Wii version due to its controls.

And must we forget The Godfather and Resident Evil 4? Both are ports of last gen games, but were made better thanks to how intuitive the Wiimote is. So much, in fact, that its now impossible to play the older versions.

Finally, what about WiiWare? Many small developers and even some third parties are putting a lot of effort into their releases, hoping to create very innovative and fun games for the Wii (like Lost Winds, Strong Bad Game and many others).

So I think people are just looking at some bad Wii games and thinking that's how its going to be for the rest of the generation. People, the typical lifespan of a system is 5 to 6 years, the Wii only has one. Who knows what will happen between now and then?

Its silly to always think of the positive outlook, yes, but expecting the worse is just as stupid.
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Re: Why are people still whining that there aren't enough games?
« Reply #31 on: April 18, 2008, 06:24:29 PM »
I actually didn't really like Zack and Wiki. (insert flame here)

Anyway, I'd say I'm cautious more so than pessimistic. Almost all of last year, I said we should expect 3rd parties to make more announcements in 2008 because they can't possibly ignore the Wii's popularity. Yet, here were are in 2008, albeit in the middle of April, and nothing has changed. I can only be so optomistic and I don't think I can rightly say the old Nintendo fan adage, "Wait for E3" without feeling like it's half-BS because E3 has come and gone year after year and Nintendo is still the only company stepping up to the plate. Sure, it's their platform, but I expected Wii's breakout success to lure more publishers into supporting the console with stronger titles. At least announce something! Instead we view Okami as a major 3rd party announcement. Now, don't get me wrong. I'm super happy to get Okami on the Wii. At the same time, I'd hardly call that progress. When Capcom decides to make a completely original game like they did with Okami on PS2, I'll change my tune. The Wii doesn't command that kind of respect and there's really no reason for it with the way the console is still selling.

I'm hopeful, but cautious which I think is fair. Publishers are flat-out refusing to publish "mature" games on the platform. What the F is that about? Before I form a positive outlook, I need something to be more optomistic about.

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Re: Why are people still whining that there aren't enough games?
« Reply #32 on: April 18, 2008, 09:11:03 PM »
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Where is the Wii's Pikmin?  Where is that major original game for the Wii that isn't aimed at non-gamers?  I honestly am not that interested in the old franchises anymore but those are always the big titles.  It's like non-games or sequels.  Why are the options so black & white?
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3rd parties aren't really helping Nintendo sell the Wii, they're just feeding off Nintendo's success with a lot of second-rate efforts. While I'm extremely happy with the 3rd party Wii games I own, only 1 (No More Heroes) of them is original and exclusive.
AAARGH! BUY KORORINPA AND ELEDEES!
I have, for my Wii, Super Mario Galaxy, Excite Truck, Twilight Princess, No More Heroes, and Zack and Wiki. I am interested in Okami.

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Re: Why are people still whining that there aren't enough games?
« Reply #33 on: April 18, 2008, 10:12:41 PM »
I agree with Mario's sentiment.

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Re: Why are people still whining that there aren't enough games?
« Reply #34 on: April 18, 2008, 10:35:24 PM »
I had Elebits, I really liked it, it was great. I sold it because the save file was stupidly over 100 blocks and I have way too many VC games to put up with that (except for Brawl). Kororinpa is awesome and I should really go back and get 100% in it.
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Re: Why are people still whining that there aren't enough games?
« Reply #35 on: April 18, 2008, 10:50:33 PM »
I wasn't terribly impressed with Elebits. Kororinpa is that marble game, right? Ehh....

About half of my Wii games are 3rd party. I think I'm doing my part.

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Re: Why are people still whining that there aren't enough games?
« Reply #36 on: April 19, 2008, 12:06:36 AM »
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ELEDEES (Elebits in US) is the Wiis PIKMIN! GO GET IT!!! Look outside Nintendo you close minded Nintard. You're a GIANT hypocrite, ask for third party games then don't even look at them.

Sadly, I'll have to partially agree with Mario here. In the Cube era you whined on and on about a lack of mature exclusive third party titles, then when Resident Evil 4 came along you didn't even play it, saying you were never interested in RE or something. Seriously, it was the best mature exclusive third-party title on ANY platform.
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Re: Why are people still whining that there aren't enough games?
« Reply #37 on: April 19, 2008, 02:11:48 AM »
But RE4 wasn't exclusive at all. In fact, not only did Capcom go out of their way to make sure everyone knew that RE4 wasn't exclusive, they also loaded the PS2 version with all kinds of extras.

I know that's besides the point. I just don't think any Nintendo fan should ever forget how entirely douchey that was on Capcom's part.

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Re: Why are people still whining that there aren't enough games?
« Reply #38 on: April 19, 2008, 04:47:18 AM »

I know that's besides the point. I just don't think any Nintendo fan should ever forget how entirely douchey that was on Capcom's part.

Don't worry, I never forgot.  I also never forgot how every other 3rd party screwed over Nintendo last gen and continues to do so as well.

Now I've expressed my views on third parties many times,  so I'll just say this.  When the Wii outsold the 360 last summer to become the market leader, that's when third parties should have gotten the message.  After last December when the Wii dominated the holiday  season, that's when they really should have gotten the message.  And now when the Wii sold over 700,000 units last month alone, which is over 200,000 more units then the 360 and PS3 COMBINED in the same month, they should understand very very well.


The way I see it is this E3 is going to be the big decider.  We'll finally see if third parties are going to take the system seriously, or if they're just going to completely screw over Nintendo this gen, like they did last gen.  After this E3 the whole, give third parties more time argument is dead.  By this July they will have had a whole year and a half of the Wii dominating the competition in every single territory, for every single month to finally get a clue. 

If they haven't gotten it by then, then I doubt they ever will.
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Re: Why are people still whining that there aren't enough games?
« Reply #39 on: April 19, 2008, 05:50:35 AM »
Luigi's right - at the very least third parties should announce major titles in the pipeline for Wii, even if they're a year or two down the road.
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Re: Why are people still whining that there aren't enough games?
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Re: Why are people still whining that there aren't enough games?
« Reply #41 on: April 19, 2008, 02:47:57 PM »
Don't worry, I never forgot.  I also never forgot how every other 3rd party screwed over Nintendo last gen and continues to do so as well.
I would argue that 3rd parties, for the most part, did not screw over Nintendo last generation. Gamecube was dead last and if there was a dumbf*ck decision to be made, Nintendo made it.

I won't say 3rd parties are screwing Nintendo over with the Wii yet though it's certainly seeming more and more like it with every passing week.
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Re: Why are people still whining that there aren't enough games?
« Reply #42 on: April 19, 2008, 03:42:54 PM »
Capcom went back on its word about the exclusive five, if that isn't screwing over, I don't know what is.

Also Namco making Soul Calibur III a PS2 exclusive screwed over both Xbox and Gamecube.

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Re: Why are people still whining that there aren't enough games?
« Reply #43 on: April 19, 2008, 04:14:52 PM »
I was thinking of making a long, blowhard post about the argument, but I decided to do this instead...

*Ahem...

Third parties suck. Nintendo sucks. The Nintendo fanboys suck for not supporting good third parties, they suck for only support Nintendo and they suck for supporting both of them.

There's no middle ground or gray area in the argument. Everyone just plain sucks, and this thread is clearly evident of this.

Everyone's a hypocrite and everyone's too forgiving. Everyone's way too pessimistic and everyone's way too hopeful of a brighter future.

Again, no middle ground. No matter which train of thought you are in, you are most likely a pathetic person for being there.

There, my whole argument.
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Re: Why are people still whining that there aren't enough games?
« Reply #44 on: April 19, 2008, 04:27:31 PM »

Also Namco making Soul Calibur III a PS2 exclusive screwed over both Xbox and Gamecube.

No, if you want screwed over by Namco, the Tales series is the perfect example.

Now Tales of Symphonia for the Gamecube sold well in Japan, with over 300,000 copies, but that wasn't quite what Namco hoped for.  But thanks to Nintendo, who FUNDED the english translation, the game went on to sell over 1 million copies worldwide, over 500,000 of those were in the US alone.  This made the Gamecube version of the game the best selling Tales game of all time, which it still is to this very day.

But you see, because they weren't happy with the Japanese numbers, they released a PS2 port of Tales of Symphonia which went on to sell over 400,000 copies.  Even though it was only a 100,000 unit difference between the two version, that was all Namco needed to go on and announce, Tales of Rebirth, Legendia, and Abyss would all be PS2 exclusive.

That's right, even though it was thanks to Nintendo and the Gamecube fanbase that made Symphonia a wordwide hit, Namco repays us by making every other Tales game PS2 exclusive.  Oh and the real kicker, Tales of the Abyss was actually started on the Gamecube, but then moved to the PS2.
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Re: Why are people still whining that there aren't enough games?
« Reply #45 on: April 19, 2008, 04:33:34 PM »
Who needs daytime soap operas when you can just go to a Nintendo forums and watch the drama? :p

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Re: Why are people still whining that there aren't enough games?
« Reply #46 on: April 19, 2008, 04:58:47 PM »
Capcom went back on its word about the exclusive five, if that isn't screwing over, I don't know what is.
I didn't say Nintendo didn't get screwed over at all. I already mentioned Capcom's douchbaggery. Both sides were to blame is all I'm saying.

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Re: Why are people still whining that there aren't enough games?
« Reply #47 on: April 19, 2008, 05:01:09 PM »
Who needs daytime soap operas when you can just go to a Nintendo forums and watch the drama? :p

"Watch as Namco once again betrays the love and loyalty of its fans by porting a game over to a rival console"

Instant masterpiece.

Wow, you didn't even bother too read my post, good job.  If you had, you'd see the point was Tales of Symphonia sold amazing on the Gamecube, and yet Namco never bothered to release any more Tales games on the system.  Even though Symphonia showed there was a huge fanbase for the series, Namco refused to even give us a port.  If that doesn't show that Namco clearly had a bias towards the system, then I don't know what does.

Of course if you know a reason other then bias, go right ahead and say it.  Explain why Namco, after Symphonia sells over 1 million copies wordwide on the Gamecube, doesn't bother to even port one of the PS2 games over.
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Re: Why are people still whining that there aren't enough games?
« Reply #48 on: April 19, 2008, 05:15:16 PM »
I would argue that 3rd parties, for the most part, did not screw over Nintendo last generation. Gamecube was dead last and if there was a dumbf*ck decision to be made, Nintendo made it.

True enough. Nintendo has learned from some of the mistakes they made with the GC. For one thing, they know use full-size DVD media which offers a lot more space than the dinky GC discs that could only hold a fraction as much. Plus, this time Nintendo is really embracing online capabilities and has made some other improvements as well.

They still are making a mistake by not having a hard-drive for the Wii, but this isn't as much of a mistake as the mistakes they made with the GC and they will probably have hard drive support eventually anyway. I guess someone might say Nintendo is still making a mistake by not including HD support, but I think actually the opposite is true and that Sony and MS are making the mistake by forcing HD down developer's throats. HD games cost a lot more to make, so they're more expensive and the profit margin is less. So this time around Nintendo is actually doing most things right (aside from the hard drive, and maybe friend codes).
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Re: Why are people still whining that there aren't enough games?
« Reply #49 on: April 19, 2008, 05:16:47 PM »
Who needs daytime soap operas when you can just go to a Nintendo forums and watch the drama? :p

"Watch as Namco once again betrays the love and loyalty of its fans by porting a game over to a rival console"

Instant masterpiece.

Wow, you didn't even bother too read my post, good job.  If you had, you'd see the point was Tales of Symphonia sold amazing on the Gamecube, and yet Namco never bothered to release any more Tales games on the system.  Even though Symphonia showed there was a huge fanbase for the series, Namco refused to even give us a port.  If that doesn't show that Namco clearly had a bias towards the system, then I don't know what does.

Of course if you know a reason other then bias, go right ahead and say it.  Explain why Namco, after Symphonia sells over 1 million copies wordwide on the Gamecube, doesn't bother to even port one of the PS2 games over.

Dude, don't get your panties in a bunch. I read what you posted, and yes, it ain't surprising that Namco has f*cked up priorities when it comes to their games.

I was simply stating that there's so much double crossing and betrayal going on in the videogame world between fans and companies that it rivals many daytime soap operas.

Its what we like to call "a joke", something you missed during your temper tantrum.
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