Author Topic: Why does Nintendo hate the Game Cube? (Read 60054 times)

NinGurl69 *huggles · « **Reply #125 on:** June 07, 2008, 10:48:22 PM »

Microsoft paid off multiple developers/publishers to either drop the Cube version of multiplatform games or reduce their priority/effort on them, while boosting the effort on the Xbox version.

Xbox is easier to develop for, indeed.

Ian Sane · « **Reply #126 on:** June 09, 2008, 03:15:20 PM »

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Ian, you apparently forget that Nintendo did include Online support for the GC in the form of optional adapters for broadband or dialup. They provided an option for third parties to offer online support to their games if they so choose, so you can't say Nintendo didn't provide the support because they most certainly did... it's just no one chose to take advantage of it. Well, there was that one Sega game which did. So the GC did have 1 online game, and it had all the tools necessary for there to have been more, but 3rd parties have that nasty habit of screwing over Nintendo's consoles, so they just refused to take advantage of that capability. That wasn't Nintendo's fault, though.

I heard they didn't provide any documentation or anything. Sega had to figure it all out themselves. I don't have a source for this but I remember it being tossed around here a lot with NWR staff members supporting it. Yeah third parties COULD have used it but they were completely in it alone. Nintendo also didn't use the adapter themselves until a few years in. That's easy to confirm. I think there's a big difference between Sony having an open model and making their own online games and promoting online play as a good thing and Nintendo not releasing any online games, not promoting the feature and intentionally downplaying online play when asked "why the hell aren't you morons online, yet?" Why would a third party want to make an online game for the Cube when Nintendo themselves were pretty much sabotaging the whole feature? Nintendo was pretty much training the Cube userbase to dislike online gaming because the competition had it and they didn't. I think a lot of the concerns about third party games not selling on Nintendo consoles is also related to Nintendo "training" their fans to not care about third party support because on the N64 they didn't have any.

But judging from what everyone has pointed out PR really is to blame. I think the online thing is a symptom of that. Nintendo did a horrible job making people care about the Gamecube and that includes customers, third parties and the media. It's like they just expected everyone to like them without providing any incentive, and this was at a time where people had just been burned by the N64 and were iffy about giving Nintendo a chance. Promising online and then not delivering is largely a PR goof. Not providing any information to third parties about how to make an online Gamecube game can also be considered that. They weren't trying to make people care.

animecyberrat · « **Reply #127 on:** June 09, 2008, 11:24:38 PM »

Not to mention Sony and MS advertised the hell out of their online, my dad who knows **** about videos games always asked me every time he saw me playing a game if it was online like the "Sony player" was cuz Sony had the balls to advertise just the fact it was online during the fucking NBA Finals, Nintendo just acted like it didn't matter. If my dad knew PS2 was online and had to ask if GC was that was not a good sign. Hell I still run into people who argue with me that GC even could go online period.

Chozo Ghost · « **Reply #128 on:** June 09, 2008, 11:41:29 PM »

It kinda makes you wonder why Nintendo even bothered to make the adapters which made online possible. One single third party game hardly justifies the production of those peripherals, so you kinda wonder if Nintendo wasn't hoping there would have been more done with that.

My theory is, that Nintendo really did intend for the GC to have a strong online capability, but the poor hardware sales and mediocre software sales postponed those plans indefinitely. Let's keep in mind the GC wasn't a major seller even in it's first year, before online console gaming was even a major issue. For some reason the Xbox kicked its ass in sales numbers, and Nintendo probably just threw in the online towel after that.

animecyberrat · « **Reply #129 on:** June 09, 2008, 11:57:49 PM »

but that is not true at all, I have every Game Informer from the E3 GameCube was announced upto today, and the sales data shows that all the way into 2003 they GC and Xbox were neck in neck.

Chozo Ghost · « **Reply #130 on:** June 10, 2008, 06:09:15 AM »

Quote from: animecyberrat on June 09, 2008, 11:57:49 PM

but that is not true at all, I have every Game Informer from the E3 GameCube was announced upto today, and the sales data shows that all the way into 2003 they GC and Xbox were neck in neck.

But also keep in mind that the PS2 was far ahead of both of them. The battle for 2nd place was pretty close, but the battle for 1st place was never even a contest, since Sony had like 90% of the market share or something. So if you ask me, both the GC and Xbox weren't very successful in terms of sales numbers. 20 some million each is nothing to the 100+ million of the PS2.

animecyberrat · « **Reply #131 on:** June 10, 2008, 12:44:45 PM »

I wasn't meaning in relation to PS2, that battle was said and done before either system came out. I meant that for Xbox to get the support right off the bat did not have anything to do with sales. It took Halo 2 before Xbox overtook the GC, that was in 2004.

D_Average · « **Reply #132 on:** June 11, 2008, 04:13:37 PM »

I'm actually thinking of grabbing Mario Sunshine to play through this summer. Still haven't picked that one up.

DAaaMan64 · « **Reply #133 on:** June 11, 2008, 04:15:01 PM »

It's a good game, screw teh haterz

animecyberrat · « **Reply #134 on:** June 11, 2008, 04:30:50 PM »

Quote from: DAaaMan64 on June 11, 2008, 04:15:01 PM

It's a crap game, screw teh fanbois

DAaaMan64 · « **Reply #135 on:** June 11, 2008, 04:38:00 PM »

lol

but that game really is good. I had a lot of fun just running around Delfino Plaza jumping on on building and what-not

GoldenPhoenix · « **Reply #136 on:** June 11, 2008, 04:38:44 PM »

Mario Sunshine is my favorite 3D Mario (yes even more so than Galaxy).

animecyberrat · « **Reply #137 on:** June 11, 2008, 04:41:04 PM »

It was an awesome game, lots of fun, but not, I repeat NOT a Mario game.

GoldenPhoenix · « **Reply #138 on:** June 11, 2008, 04:41:40 PM »

Quote from: animecyberrat on June 11, 2008, 04:41:04 PM

It was an awesome game, lots of fun, but not, I repeat NOT a Mario game.

Funny I thought it had Mario in it. Guess I was wrong!

DAaaMan64 · « **Reply #139 on:** June 11, 2008, 04:43:16 PM »

Can you explain how it isn't a Mario game? I'm curious.

animecyberrat · « **Reply #140 on:** June 11, 2008, 04:46:04 PM »

No, it just isn't ok. If I had to explain it again it would only start up that old argument we had back the last time we had that argument. It would be more appropriate to say it should not have had Mario in it, because it was not very Mario-ish for being a "Mario" game. I think of it as "Mario Water Cannon Blast" a Mario Spin off, not a true Mario game.

NWR_insanolord · « **Reply #141 on:** June 11, 2008, 04:54:35 PM »

Sunshine is my least favorite 3D Mario, but since 64 and Galaxy are both in my personal all-time top 5 games that doesn't mean I think it's bad, it's a great game that I think I should go back and play again.

Quote from: animecyberrat on June 11, 2008, 04:46:04 PM

No, it just isn't ok. If I had to explain it again it would only start up that old argument we had back the last time we had that argument. It would be more appropriate to say it should not have had Mario in it, because it was not very Mario-ish for being a "Mario" game. I think of it as "Mario Water Cannon Blast" a Mario Spin off, not a true Mario game.

It's a platformer, it stars Mario, therefore it's a true Mario game.

animecyberrat · « **Reply #142 on:** June 11, 2008, 05:08:10 PM »

in other news the rat is terribly biased against Sunshine and nothing is ever gonna change his mind thank you very much have a nice day and please drive home safely.

NWR_insanolord · « **Reply #143 on:** June 11, 2008, 05:14:41 PM »

If you don't argue with us about it we won't argue with you about it.

animecyberrat · « **Reply #144 on:** June 11, 2008, 05:22:05 PM »

I am not presenting it as an change your mind argument, I am presenting it as I can not accept it as a Mario game and would like to say why, but I know even if I do, someone will argue back about how silly that is.

Donkey Kong is a playformer, it stars Mario, but it is not a Mario Game.

NinGurl69 *huggles · « **Reply #145 on:** June 11, 2008, 05:25:00 PM »

Cuz you're unreasonable.

animecyberrat · « **Reply #146 on:** June 11, 2008, 05:29:16 PM »

Ok what besides having Mario in it makes Sunshine anything at all like previous Mario games? Where are the Koopas? Goombas? Mushrooms? Exactly. I am not being unreasonable, I loved Mario 64, it felt like a true Mario game. I was so disappointed by Sunshine I disowned it as a real Mario game, same reason why I was reluctant to get excited about Galaxies. I only accept Mario Bros. 2 because they made it clear it was just a dream. It also was not a real Mario game either, but one of my favorite games.

It was fun running around jumping, as usual. It was not fun pointing the damn hose, trying to defeat enemies that all look like they belong in Rainbow Brite instead.

vudu · « **Reply #147 on:** June 11, 2008, 05:43:32 PM »

Sunshine doesn't take place in the Mushroom Kingdom, therefore it doesn't exactly make sense to have the standard enemies.

ShyGuy · « **Reply #148 on:** June 11, 2008, 05:54:47 PM »

My favorite part of Sunshine was the hub world. Finding all the secrets was a blast. They should have doubled it's size and made it connect seamlessly to the other areas, like Jak 1.

animecyberrat · « **Reply #149 on:** June 11, 2008, 06:06:48 PM »

Well neither did SMB2, and I already said that one also isn't a real Mario game to me. Still a lot of fun though.

On the other hand, If Bowser was supposed to be in the game at all, or his kid even, shouldn't there have been more Koopa troops or something? There was more to it than that, look I am not saying it is a bad game just what I didn't like about it or why to me it wasn't a true Mario game. Some of the replies seams as silly to me as my reasons do you some of you.

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Author Topic: Why does Nintendo hate the Game Cube? (Read 60054 times)