Author Topic: Sp apparently, the Japanese "are not happy" with Dragon Quest IX DS (Read 25315 times)

Aretak · « **Reply #50 on:** April 25, 2007, 12:52:01 PM »

I'm thrilled that it doesn't have real-time combat. Can't stand it myself. Turn-based combat allows for a lot more strategy during battle.

Adrock · « **Reply #51 on:** April 25, 2007, 01:18:36 PM »

Clearly, this decision was made specifically for the Japanese market. A new DQ launch is like a holiday there.

I kind of prefer it this way. People were skeptical that DQIX was a DS game. If DQIX does not perform as well as a DQ is expected to, that sucks in every way for Nintendo. Sticking with an old format sucks for those of us that like our games with innovation but ensures a higher rate of sales. Ultimately, this will lead to even more support for Nintendo platforms. So it's not win-win. It's more like lose-kind-of-then-win-a-whole-lot-later. I'll deal, especially if it nets me some kick-ass exclusives later.

Smoke39 · « **Reply #52 on:** April 25, 2007, 02:12:05 PM »

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Originally posted by: Kairon
Oh! That's nice to hear. I much prefer turn-based since real-time brings back lukewarm memories of FF:CC on the GC.

~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com

Realtime combat makes me think of Zelda or Soul Blazer more than CC.

NWR_pap64 · « **Reply #53 on:** April 25, 2007, 03:16:38 PM »

I wouldn't mind the news if a playable version was made and people didn't like it, because then there would've been proof that the fans didn't like the new engine and that it doesn't work for the DQ series.

This is basically Square backing out the minute some fans cried foul. In other words, they were being "chicken sh*t".

I know that the DQ series is a highly celebrated series and Square wants it to sell greatly on the DS, but they canceled the idea without even giving it a proper chance.

I really hope that the DQ real time engine makes it to at least a spin off game.

that Baby guy · « **Reply #54 on:** April 25, 2007, 05:17:10 PM »

I agree, pap. I always thought the mode would last until there was at least a public play-test.

NWR_pap64 · « **Reply #55 on:** April 25, 2007, 06:33:25 PM »

The other thing that bugs me about this is that Square turning DQ into a real time RPG is the LEAST of the drastic decisions seen in the industry.

For example, Nintendo turning Zelda into a cartoon, naming the Revolution "The Wii" and turning the Metroid franchise into a FPS and giving it to an unknown studio.

These were decisions that were highly criticized by the fans and the media. They were considered too stupid, yet Nintendo stood by them and marched, despite the harsh reception.

So Square dropping out of an idea BEFORE it is tested out is annoying.

that Baby guy · « **Reply #56 on:** April 25, 2007, 06:54:39 PM »

But then, you also have to consider Dragon Quest Swords and Dragon Quest Monsters. It seems like they're willing to use the game's name for new things, but when they do it to the main series, they do get flack for it. Why don't we try to consider it from their perspective?

Take Star Wars. When the movies came it, it was almost like a holiday, with most fans - fans on any level, I might add - take the day or days off prior to and on the event, so they can be the firsts to see the movie. Now imagine that George Lucas decided that instead of offering Episode 3 in the traditional form of film, he decided to use the more modern, text-to-decide-the-outcome American Idol style to direct the movie. Some fans would be happier, but the majority would think that he is selling out or switching something that doesn't need to happen.

Now, Star Wars lore, along anything that isn't one of the six episodes is up for grabs, and fans are happy just to get more of it. That's probably why people loved the Clone Wars cartoon, and are anticipating the television show that will begin soon.

I think you can see the parallels between Dragon Quest and Star Wars. What you and I want probably isn't too respectful to the majority of Japan, especially since there haven't been so many heavy game play tweaks to the Dragon Quest series when compared to the Final Fantasy series.

Now I do hope that they move the concept to a new DS title, DQ spin-off or not, because I loved the idea. I imagine a good bit of the idea was inspired by FF:CC TRoF, too, so we might get to have some of the experience in that title, as well.

Louieturkey · « **Reply #57 on:** April 25, 2007, 07:34:37 PM »

Thank goodness they changed it back. I am tired of all these RPGs going with real time or pseudo-real time battle systems. I'm not against the style, I just don't like how every studio seems to be turning their rpgs into action rpgs these days. Using the Shining Force name for an action rpg really upset me. Doing it to something that has never really changed for eight games seems even worse to me. I'm cool with spinoffs doing whatever they want. Leave the main series alone though.

nitsu niflheim · « **Reply #58 on:** April 26, 2007, 02:20:34 AM »

I don't care if it's real time or turn based. I just want some Dragon Quest.

Bill Aurion · « **Reply #59 on:** April 26, 2007, 03:36:35 AM »

Ugh, what's the point of the online multiplayer, then? Turn-based RPG multiplayer sounds hilariously boring...

nitsu niflheim · « **Reply #60 on:** April 26, 2007, 04:13:18 AM »

maybe online part will be real time. That would be fun.

Adrock · « **Reply #61 on:** April 26, 2007, 04:16:20 AM »

Although I agree with many of the points here, I still see where Square-Enix is coming from. Dragon Quest is the company's biggest money maker, bigger even than Final Fantasy. Nothing branded Dragon Quest sells as well as the main series. Square-Enix dropping real time battles before getting too far into development saves them millions.

And it's not like they aren't trying new things. Online play is new and we still have no idea how they're using everything else DS has to offer.

vudu · « **Reply #62 on:** April 26, 2007, 07:52:28 AM »

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Originally posted by: Smoke39
Realtime combat makes me think of Zelda or Soul Blazer more than CC.

Someone here's never played Contact.

Ceric · « **Reply #63 on:** April 26, 2007, 09:17:03 AM »

DQ is turn based and FF is experimentalish.

couchmonkey · « **Reply #64 on:** April 26, 2007, 09:33:31 AM »

The way I see it, this was a smart move in the short run, but it may hurt Square Enix in the long run.

I've seen one too many failed attempts at action RPGs and I'm really looking forward to this as a turn-based game. Unless some monumental screw-up happens, this is an instant buy for me. And let's not forget that this series is Japanese, first and foremost: who can say how bad the reaction over there was? In the short run, this will probably be more successful than if they had messed with the formula.

In the long, run, though...it's hard to imagine a good multiplayer turn-based game, and multiplayer/social gaming is seen by many as the future of the industry. See Pokemans, Second Life, Wii, and World of Warcraft. (Edit: also Halo and Super Smash Bros.)

mantidor · « **Reply #65 on:** April 26, 2007, 10:47:05 AM »

The little interest I had was killed by this announcement. Another boring turn based rpg... really, they are all the same!

ShyGuy · « **Reply #66 on:** April 26, 2007, 11:19:18 AM »

Mantidor, are you getting more cantankerous as time goes on, or is it just me?

Urkel · « **Reply #67 on:** April 26, 2007, 02:37:23 PM »

Ugh.

This was the first DQ game I was genuinely excited for, but now? Pah!

I think this is bad business-wise because the DQ series has never done all that well outside of Japan, but I believe an action based battle system would've given it a chance to sell elsewhere. I also think SE is being paranoid. The Japanese will buy it no matter what. It's Dragon effing Quest!

nitsu niflheim · « **Reply #68 on:** April 26, 2007, 03:09:57 PM »

Dragon Quest has always been an aqcuired taste, one Nintendo gave me when they sent me Dragon Warrior a long time ago!

Ceric · « **Reply #69 on:** April 26, 2007, 03:28:34 PM »

I think it's funny how much discussion RPGs get. They are old school, then everything that is wrong with modern videogames. Are considered pioneering showcases then archaic remnants. Consoles seem to be measured by their/there/they're amount of RPGs. RPGs seem like an up and coming genre and a dieing one.

Nothing sparks talk like RPGs and RPG elements. Turn Based RPGs have been going away for a while. Some people like them others do not. It doesn't mean they should disappear like Adventure games (like Quest for Glory) did. All the new hip ones have to do cards or action based.

Doesn't seem weird for a Genre that has niches within its niche becomes one of the measuring sticks of a console?

IceCold · « **Reply #70 on:** April 26, 2007, 05:25:02 PM »

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Originally posted by: vudu
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Originally posted by: Smoke39
Realtime combat makes me think of Zelda or Soul Blazer more than CC.
Someone here's never played Contact.

Or Tales of Symphonia.

Kairon · « **Reply #71 on:** April 27, 2007, 09:11:59 AM »

I hated Tales of Symphonia. Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles' gameplay was a dud. Turn-based is STILL in demand.

~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com

that Baby guy · « **Reply #72 on:** April 27, 2007, 09:21:05 AM »

Did you play the games with other people, or was it just you?

KDR_11k · « **Reply #73 on:** April 27, 2007, 09:47:15 AM »

Kairon likes Majesco. I rest my case.

mantidor · « **Reply #74 on:** April 27, 2007, 10:32:43 AM »

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Mantidor, are you getting more cantankerous as time goes on, or is it just me?

I... did not know what that meant

Turn based anything is just so boring, even when it has a deep strategy behind it like in Pokemon, weren't turn based mechanics there to make it easy to emulate a real battle, back in the days of pen and paper games? we are way past that, we can let the computer do all the emulation, all the dice roles and turns. These games are only about churning numbers, at least you used your imagination back then, now is cutscene after cutscene, with annoying battles in between.

NO I'm not that old really

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