Topic: Sp apparently, the Japanese "are not happy" with Dragon Quest IX DS

[NWR_pap64]

Famitsu just polled people about the recent news of DQ IX going to the DS. Despite the great joy the news brought to people, apparently some Japanese fans are not happy with the announcement...

Here are the poll questions and results according to Famitsu:
Does Dragon Quest IX coming to the DS make you happy?

40.3% - Yes
46% - No
5.2% - Neither
8.5% - Not sure

Do you like the idea of the series changing to action-based battles?

6.8% - Neither yes or no
19.9% - Not sure
19.4% - Yes
53.9% - No

(Question asked to retailers) Does Dragon Quest IX coming to DS make you happy?

47.5% - Yes
22.5% - Neither yes or no
10% - Not sure
20% - No

(Question asked to retailers) Do you like the idea of the series changing to action-based battles?

15% - Yes
32.4% - Not sure
12.5% - Neither yes or no
40% - No

Keep in mind that this was done by Famitsu, and we all know how they gained their infamy, and that this poll does NOT reflect the overall thinking of the Japanese public.

That and the game will sell a gajillion copies on the first hour and Japane WILL never be heard from again...  

[NinGurl69 *huggles]

Yeah, they suck.  Too bad Capcom's making a decent buck off of teasing the deprived PSP audience.  I hope they go under soon as a result.

[Requiem]

No matter what they may "say", they isn't a chance in hell that this game will NOT sell under 3 mil. in Japan alone.

[Louieturkey]

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Originally posted by: Requiem
No matter what they may "say", they isn't a chance in hell that this game will NOT sell under 3 mil. in Japan alone.

I think you could be wrong.  They are dramatically changing the gameplay of this game which has been the staple of the series.  The fighting is no long going to be turn based and that is something the Japanese love about this series.  It'll definitely sell 2 million in Japan but I could see it falling short of 3 million.

[Requiem]

All I have to say is people bought that DQ sword peripheral game....they'll definitely buy this.

[nitsu niflheim]

they'll pass up a Dragon Quest main game as soon as they give up living and breathing.

[Athrun Zala]

it's just a poll.... probably they did it to about 2000 people.... and it's Dragon Quest, even if it were some horse poo in a box with DQ written over it they would sell a million....

[jasonditz]

I'm not happy doesn't mean "I won't buy it".

I'm not thrilled with the move to real time battles, but I think they did make the right choice on platform. Not only the "right choice", the only choice. The PS3 has nearly zero install base... not an ideal fit for a mass market game unless Sony is willing to throw a bunch of money at them. The Wii is way too new and different to gamble on for something like this.

The DS is right now what the PS2 was when they were making DQ8. And they're probably looking at the following:

1. How many of our potential customers already have this system
2. How easy would it be for potential customers who don't have the system to get it
3. How much would it cost a loyal customer to buy the system and the game.

The DS wins all of these by a wide margin at the moment.  

[Mario]

It's bloody Famitsu, they probably have MGS4 as the peoples most wanted game. The magazine is geared HUGELY towards the Sony crowd, and is out of touch with the new market.

[Kairon]

Well, personally, I'm still iffy on the whole real time thing because SE's real time endeavors as of late have been HORRIBLE!!!

/mana tears

I'll still buy it though.

~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com

[ViewtifulJoe]

I think the game looks great so they should stop whining and go back to watching there godzilla movies  

[Hocotate]

It's on DS, this will be the best selling DQ game in the history of forever and SE won't look back (at Sony).

[Ian Sane]

Honestly if I found out my favourite game series was having a core feature of its basic gameplay changed and was moving from consoles to portables I'd be pretty upset about it too.  Imagine Zelda became turn based.  Not as a spinoff but the "real" Zelda as a turn based game.  That would be pretty upsetting to hear and that's kind of what's happening here.

Though I doubt it'll affect sales.  I didn't like Wind Waker's art style.  Still don't.  In fact Twilight Princess just re-enforces my opinion.  But I still bought it because it was still a great game.  I consider it the weakest 3D Zelda but in the end it's not because of the graphics but other factors that are unrelated and could have been a problem in any Zelda game.  So the fans will still buy this.  Hell they would probably buy crap though I'd never want them to.

[Requiem]

Zelda become turn-based and DQ becoming real-time are two completely different things. If Zelda was turned based, it would cease to be an adventure game. However, if DQ becomes real-time, it can still be an RPG. The genre isn't changing, just the way you play.

Also, if you need an example of a game changing for the better, then look at Metriod Prime. It changed the way you played, but retianed everything we loved about metriod. I remember all the cynical debates before it debuted, but afterwards, everyone realized that it was quite possibly the best GC game ever.

I believe Square knows what it's doing. This is it's biggest franchise (FF be damned), and there not going to ruin it just to add some "gimm!cky" controls...

[Ceric]

Sorry but I'm going to say this but the more I hear about this the more I think.  "Dragon Quest: Crystal Chronicals"

[Ian Sane]

"Also, if you need an example of a game changing for the better, then look at Metriod Prime. It changed the way you played, but retianed everything we loved about metriod. I remember all the cynical debates before it debuted, but afterwards, everyone realized that it was quite possibly the best GC game ever."

To me Metroid Prime is just Metroid in 3D.  It's as seemless of a change as Zelda going 3D.  Turning DQ real-time to me is like Metroid Prime Hunters.  I'm not even a fan of DQ but the idea just in theory sounds too much like they're messing with a good thing.  A good part of the appeal of Dragon Quest has been that it hasn't changed much.  RPGs are everywhere and they're always tinkering with new battle systems.  DQ was for when you wanted to go with something familar.  Now this is all what I hear is the appeal of DQ.  I'm not personally familiar enough with it to know firsthand.

With big changes there is always the risk of stuff being f*cked up so I can see why Famitsu's readers aren't happy.

[Kairon]

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Originally posted by: Ceric
Sorry but I'm going to say this but the more I hear about this the more I think.  "Dragon Quest: Crystal Chronicals"

QFA.

I also think Children of Mana.

~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com

[Strell]

I seem to recall they were unhappy with FF XII as well.

Ho ho ho.

[couchmonkey]

I have to say I'm a little worried about the gameplay myself, as someone else said, Square Enix's track record on real-time gameplay isn't the best.  I am really happy that you'll be able to see monsters on the overworld though, and I do think more action is generally a good idea for RPGs.

The move to DS makes complete sense.  I can see why it bothers people (it even bothers me a little) but it's not going to stop them from buying it.  I think it's just expectations.

[mantidor]

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Originally posted by: Strell
I seem to recall they were unhappy with FF XII as well.

Ho ho ho.

what? I remember one of these famitsu polls among its readers saying this was the best game of all time, with only one Zelda game in the top ten and super mario bros like in the 20th place or something. the top ten consisted of a bunch of DQ and FF sequels, further proving japanese's poor taste.

The difference to change a turn based game into a real time game than doing the opposite is that the former is a change for the better , and wasn't DQ8 the first one to do that anyway? people seemed to have got over it from the sales of the game.

[Kairon]

Mantidor, have you played Crystal Chronicles or Children of Mana?

We're not questioning the design choice, we're questioning Square's track record with this design.

~Carmine "Cai" M. Red
Kairon@aol.com

[Mario]

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Originally posted by: mantidor

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Originally posted by: Strell
I seem to recall they were unhappy with FF XII as well.

Ho ho ho.

what? I remember one of these famitsu polls among its readers saying this was the best game of all time, with only one Zelda game in the top ten and super mario bros like in the 20th place or something. the top ten consisted of a bunch of DQ and FF sequels, further proving japanese's poor taste.

The difference to change a turn based game into a real time game than doing the opposite is that the former is a change for the better , and wasn't DQ8 the first one to do that anyway? people seemed to have got over it from the sales of the game.

That says it all about the Famitsu audience right there.

[Requiem]

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Originally posted by: Ian Sane
"Also, if you need an example of a game changing for the better, then look at Metriod Prime. It changed the way you played, but retianed everything we loved about metriod. I remember all the cynical debates before it debuted, but afterwards, everyone realized that it was quite possibly the best GC game ever."

To me Metroid Prime is just Metroid in 3D.  It's as seemless of a change as Zelda going 3D.  Turning DQ real-time to me is like Metroid Prime Hunters.  I'm not even a fan of DQ but the idea just in theory sounds too much like they're messing with a good thing.  A good part of the appeal of Dragon Quest has been that it hasn't changed much.  RPGs are everywhere and they're always tinkering with new battle systems.  DQ was for when you wanted to go with something familar.  Now this is all what I hear is the appeal of DQ.  I'm not personally familiar enough with it to know firsthand.

With big changes there is always the risk of stuff being f*cked up so I can see why Famitsu's readers aren't happy.

As valid as your points may seem, you are forgetting something --- the DS, in it's entirety, is about change. I, for one, would be pissed if they kept everything the same.

[Requiem]

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Originally posted by: Requiem

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Originally posted by: Ian Sane
"Also, if you need an example of a game changing for the better, then look at Metriod Prime. It changed the way you played, but retianed everything we loved about metriod. I remember all the cynical debates before it debuted, but afterwards, everyone realized that it was quite possibly the best GC game ever."

To me Metroid Prime is just Metroid in 3D.  It's as seemless of a change as Zelda going 3D.  Turning DQ real-time to me is like Metroid Prime Hunters.  I'm not even a fan of DQ but the idea just in theory sounds too much like they're messing with a good thing.  A good part of the appeal of Dragon Quest has been that it hasn't changed much.  RPGs are everywhere and they're always tinkering with new battle systems.  DQ was for when you wanted to go with something familar.  Now this is all what I hear is the appeal of DQ.  I'm not personally familiar enough with it to know firsthand.

With big changes there is always the risk of stuff being f*cked up so I can see why Famitsu's readers aren't happy.

As valid as your points may seem, you are forgetting something --- the DS, in it's entirety, is about innovation. I, for one, would be pissed if they didn't try and innovate and kept everything the same.

[Hocotate]

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Originally posted by: mantidor
further proving japanese's poor taste.

Famitsu does not represent the entirety of Japan. Someone said it earlier, these folks represent the hardcore stuck in Sony's last gen mentality. Look at the top 10 sales and try to tell me the Japanese have poor taste in games... compare them to the top games in the US and we can lol at that list (edit- we lol at the US list lol).