Author Topic: Sony getting hit Hard lately (Read 867876 times)

KDR_11k · « **Reply #1100 on:** December 07, 2006, 06:26:07 AM »

No matter how obnoxious the warnings become, Nintendo's always going to settle just in case, and that's the sensible thing to do, really.

No, it's a short sighted approach, it's the equivalent of negotiating with terrorists. What could Nintendo be found guilty of? Not barging into that guy's home and punching him in the face for utter stupidity? What did Nintendo's hardware even do that the guy's TV didn't?

The plaintiff will also always be willing to settle for similar reasons: a guaranteed payoff now vs. a merely possible larger payoff much later after lawyer fees have bankrupted them.

Pay attention on that last bit: Big corporations are able to drag out a lawsuit for years. If Nintendo really was at risk of losing they could just drag it out until the opponent is bankrupt. Wouldn't be cheaper for them but would tell other terrorists that they shouldn't even try.

UltimatePartyBear · « **Reply #1101 on:** December 07, 2006, 07:03:04 AM »

Nintendo has a responsibility to its investors to not take unnecessary financial risks. In the legal environment in this country today, settling is more prudent. That's a problem, but it isn't Nintendo's fault. I don't like it either, but I don't want to derail this topic even more by talking about tort reform.

By the way, I find it odd that you'd complain about people winning lawsuits you consider frivolous (the spilled coffee reference) and still be absolutely certain that Nintendo wouldn't lose one.

As for dragging out a court case until the plaintiff can't afford to continue, I don't want to support that kind of behavior. Even if I am a Nintendo fan--actually, because I'm a Nintendo fan--I don't want them to sink to that level. Regardless of whose side I'm on, that's not justice.

Kairon · « **Reply #1102 on:** December 07, 2006, 08:18:09 AM »

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Originally posted by: Zach
Im just trying to think of all the times we had to deal with Sony Fanboys telling us that Nintendo was gonna go the way of Sega. Now that the PS3 is faltering, we are starting to say the same thing. (I admit, we are only talking about the possibility at this point.)

Turnabout is fair play.

Turnabout Samurai!

~Carmine M. Red
Kairon@aol.com

Ceric · « **Reply #1103 on:** December 07, 2006, 03:49:35 PM »

I hate derailing this but I'm finding this interesting.

So if Nintendo figured out you where playing rip games they be in there right to disable your Wii? From what I gather part of the companies right is if it can enforce punishment.

KDR_11k · « **Reply #1104 on:** December 07, 2006, 05:22:08 PM »

By the way, I find it odd that you'd complain about people winning lawsuits you consider frivolous (the spilled coffee reference) and still be absolutely certain that Nintendo wouldn't lose one.

That lawsuit was won because McDonald's served the coffee way too hot in the oppinion of the judge (although it was still below the recommended temperature for coffee). Nintendo has been actively taking measures against epileptic seizures in their games, there's no way one could blame them for negligence, never mind that the guy who died and caused that lawsuit had several epileptic seizures before (he was in his thirties IIRC) and should have consulted a doctor. That he continued playing despite knowing that his body cannot take it makes it pretty much suicide and possibly negligence on the part of the mother who sued instead of prying the system and TV away from him. Medicine has the risks listed in a leaflet and that's sufficient despite much greater risks.

As for dragging out a court case until the plaintiff can't afford to continue, I don't want to support that kind of behavior. Even if I am a Nintendo fan--actually, because I'm a Nintendo fan--I don't want them to sink to that level. Regardless of whose side I'm on, that's not justice.

I think it is justice. "Exploit a flaw in the law against us, we'll exploit a flaw against you". Being able to sue others for the result of a conscious action on your part where you could have been reasonably expected tro know better is a flaw in the system. Never mind those overbroad lawsuits where people sue like 15 different companies because they tripped over a brick. Hell, people sued Nintendo over GTA!

So if Nintendo figured out you where playing rip games they be in there right to disable your Wii?

Sure, then they get a public backlash because people feel unfairly disadvantaged or even worse got false positives and the resale value hits rock bottom. Of course they also have to inform the buyer that the Wii can be disabled and under which circumstances since otherwise the buyer bought the product expecting something different from what he got (a Wii that works vs. a Wii that self-destructs) which again falls into fraud.

Kairon · « **Reply #1105 on:** December 07, 2006, 08:20:06 PM »

Hey. Microsoft sorta did this with Halo 2. There weas a Halo 2 leak (in French, my friends got it) that came out with the complete game, and people downloaded it and played it over homebrew networks. Then Microsoft banned all those XBoxes from ever getting on live. Again. My friends had to buy another XBox (Haha suckers!). Their old one still worked, but it was no longer allowed online.

~Carmine M. Red
Kairon@aol.com

KDR_11k · « **Reply #1106 on:** December 07, 2006, 09:12:50 PM »

There's a difference between banning it from Live and flipping some bit in the firmware that completely bricks the system, though.

Ceric · « **Reply #1107 on:** December 09, 2006, 05:19:45 AM »

Yeah. But I think it's within the rights of the company if the word things right. Personally I take no quarrel if I put in an illegal copy of a game into my Wii and tried to play it. Actually got it running and then it brick the Wii where it would only come up with a number to call and the code. It seems there still doing the barcode reading thing like they did with the Cube.

At that point I have a choice:

1) Call Nintendo and pay the appropriate amount to have my Wii unbricked
2) Buy a new Wii

As long as both are an option then its fine with me. Ripping off people's hard work is something that shouldn't be tolerated, I'm going to be a Computer Scientist so things like that are personal. Now on the flipside if you want to wipe the Nintendo OS and put Linux on that should be your right as well because you own the hardware. I won't begrudge Nintendo taking measures so that if you did do that you couldn't play Wii games though.

segagamer12 · « **Reply #1108 on:** December 12, 2006, 08:29:42 AM »

Well PS3 is officialy dead here in my town. We had several people who all wanted Ps3 and everyone said Wiio would sucks cuz they hate Nintendo.

Well it has been three weeks now and my Wii hasnt had a break, it goes over to adifferent house everynight and now I have three PS3 fanboy friends who all say they want Wii for christmas and sony can screwoff. these guys are so hard core they have a Ps1, PsOne, Ps2, Ps2slim, and PSP plus eveyr gadget that goe along with it.

I never thought I would see they day when my friends whould get a Nintendo system over playstation. They still argue over the true scuess of DS vs PSP and some hwop think PSP is way ahead. I only have one who is truely dedicated and still getting a Ps3, everyone else says scrw Sony and they want a Wii. Its a hard time for Sony indeed.

Spak-Spang · « **Reply #1109 on:** December 12, 2006, 12:52:57 PM »

Today at Best Buy some sales man was pitching the PSP as the best deal for his child for Christmas. He was talking about the great 8 hour battery life and sold the guy also on a free travel pack and stuff.

I felt the guy was truly being ripped off, but it wasn't my place to say something at the Best Buy. I would have steered him straight to the DS and explained that its future is much brighter and better than the PSP.

*sigh* I hope that guy doesn't regret his purchase, but the sales person saying that the PSP is truly the best deal for portable gaming is a complete joke.

Amodaus1 · « **Reply #1110 on:** December 12, 2006, 01:03:13 PM »

PSP unit sales aren't bad in the U.S. They suck in Japan for a new system, but in the U.S. i see the device as something people want for mp3's and photo storage. Its an intresting parallel becuase i think the PSP has better game sales in Japan then it does here. Other then launch titles, the 2 GTA games were the only PSP titles i saw in the charts at any point in the US, and Liberty city stories sold more then vice city stories.

But I personally think if sony can not maintian market dominance like it did with the ps2 (which i don't think it will, ps3 may win overall, but it won't have the humongous piece of the pie like it did with ps2) They will be forced to kill off the psp indefinetly or they will scramble and do something stupid like release a new add-on thats $200 or come out with the NEXT-GEN PSP which will be the same miserable failure. Honestly, the device costs more to make then your selling it for, and your games aren't selling, that movie studio money is going to run thin soon because every studio has pretty much cut all support. What is the PSP funding runing on?

capamerica · « **Reply #1111 on:** December 12, 2006, 02:22:56 PM »

Spak if I was you I would have said something once the person walked away from the sales man. I personally do it all the time, exspecially when a person was mislead into buying something.

If we don't help out each other who will?

Spak-Spang · « **Reply #1112 on:** December 12, 2006, 03:04:58 PM »

Capamerica: Oh I would have and I actually waited around to see an opportunity. The sales person literally walked with the guy all the way to the front line, continuing his sales message to the person. It was quite strange to me. It was like a fanboy was making the sell and he didn't want the possibility of sales to slip away.

Amodaus1 · « **Reply #1113 on:** December 12, 2006, 04:26:02 PM »

perhaps he was afraid that if he lef tthe customer alone, he'd dump the psp and run

Crimm · « **Reply #1114 on:** December 12, 2006, 07:18:18 PM »

Just thought I'd point something out.

December 12th, 2004: PSP launches in Japan

December 12th, 2006: SquareEnix announces Dragon Quest IX for the DS

Hocotate · « **Reply #1115 on:** December 12, 2006, 09:24:09 PM »

Oh wow lol, nice observation there Crimm

I don't know how much more Sony's doom can be set in stone...

... Well I guess if FFXIII was canceled for PS3 and being remade for the Wii that would do it too lol.

Spak-Spang · « **Reply #1116 on:** December 13, 2006, 02:08:01 AM »

If SquareEnix went multi-platform with Final Fantasy it would screw Sony over.

If SquareEnix decided to give Wii Dragon Quest and Sony Final Fantasy it would screw them over too.

Remember, Wii can connect to the DS, and just because Dragon Quest was announced for DS doesn't mean they won't potentially have some connectivity or another version of the game for the Wii. It would be awesome if literally the same game with better graphics was available to play at home, and then you could upload your save data to the DS and continue playing the game on the go somehow.

capamerica · « **Reply #1117 on:** December 13, 2006, 02:22:36 AM »

A interesting video showed up on Digg & YouTube:

The TRUTH about the PS3's backwards compatibility...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IoCD9TwLrVs

couchmonkey · « **Reply #1118 on:** December 13, 2006, 03:26:31 AM »

I think Sony could do okay with PSP if it played things smart. From what I can recall the price has only dropped $50, and with a year and a half under it's belt, I'd guess Sony isn't really losing much money on the hardware anymore. There are almost as many PSPs out there as there are GameCubes, and that's after less than two years.

What Sony needs to do (but probably can't) is just offer some decent software for the system. I know it's possible, Loco Roco looks awesome, but it seems like PSP has always been short on really interesting games. PSP could make a tidy profit just selling games to the current users, but the games people want just don't seem to be there. The possibility that people bought it as a multimedia machine instead of a game system makes the problem worse, I guess, but I think the chance to profit is there. Nintendo could totally do it, but I guess Sony isn't up to the challenge.

UncleBob · « **Reply #1119 on:** December 13, 2006, 03:45:51 AM »

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Originally posted by: KDR_11k
Of course they also have to inform the buyer that the Wii can be disabled and under which circumstances since otherwise the buyer bought the product expecting something different from what he got (a Wii that works vs. a Wii that self-destructs) which again falls into fraud.

Did *you* read all those user agreements when you set up your Wii? Or did you just click through them, pretty much ignoring them like I (and probably) every single other person did? Who knows what was in them. Perhaps they even said "By playing this Wii, you give your soul to almighty Satan."... and no one would ever know.

UltimatePartyBear · « **Reply #1120 on:** December 13, 2006, 04:23:56 AM »

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Originally posted by: KDR_11k
Of course they also have to inform the buyer that the Wii can be disabled and under which circumstances since otherwise the buyer bought the product expecting something different from what he got (a Wii that works vs. a Wii that self-destructs) which again falls into fraud.

Did *you* read all those user agreements when you set up your Wii? Or did you just click through them, pretty much ignoring them like I (and probably) every single other person did? Who knows what was in them. Perhaps they even said "By playing this Wii, you give your soul to almighty Satan."... and no one would ever know.

I read the whole agreement. It was well written and easy to understand, and I admire Nintendo for that. Of course, it didn't say anything unexpected. It was completely par for the course as far as online service agreements go. You don't have to worry about your soul. Nintendo reserves the right to deny you access to their servers if you break their rules, and that's about it.

Bricking your Wii because you've copied a game would be in a legal grey area and a PR nightmare, so I doubt Nintendo would want to be a pioneer in that field.

KDR_11k · « **Reply #1121 on:** December 13, 2006, 05:06:59 AM »

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Originally posted by: capamerica
Spak if I was you I would have said something once the person walked away from the sales man. I personally do it all the time, exspecially when a person was mislead into buying something.

If we don't help out each other who will?

I'd have interjected "4 hours, less if you watch movies".

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It would be awesome if literally the same game with better graphics was available to play at home, and then you could upload your save data to the DS and continue playing the game on the go somehow.

It was a horrible idea when Sony claimed they'd do it and it'll be a horrible idea if S-E tried to do it. You're purchasing two versions of the same game FFS! That's 100€ just to get a graphics upgrade when you're at home! Thanks but I'll take the 40€ version that I can play at home, too.

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Originally posted by: UncleBob
Did *you* read all those user agreements when you set up your Wii? Or did you just click through them, pretty much ignoring them like I (and probably) every single other person did? Who knows what was in them. Perhaps they even said "By playing this Wii, you give your soul to almighty Satan."... and no one would ever know.

Letting aside that I don't have a Wii yes I do read those things, especially when I have reason to assume the company issuing it might include non-standard terms (i.e. they're untrustworthy companies like Microsoft or Valve).

Spak-Spang · « **Reply #1122 on:** December 13, 2006, 09:12:48 AM »

Well, if it is the same game then you don't HAVE to buy both versions. If you want the portable version then have the portable. If you want the home version have the home version.

It has worked for Pokemon. You have two versions of basically the same game, and you choose which you want...if you want both then that is your progaditive...S-E isn't forcing you to buy it. And it would be a huge boom, and very cool for those that do it.

MaryJane · « **Reply #1123 on:** December 13, 2006, 11:00:30 AM »

Did you guys here the latest Sony patheticism?

Much like the lonelygirl thing on youtube, sony pretended some dude created his own site and youtube videos about how much he wanted a PSP! They were found out, and weren't happy about it.

Good way to help out a failing system LIE!!

Spak-Spang · « **Reply #1124 on:** December 13, 2006, 11:08:03 AM »

You know I don't mind viral marketing. But to do a completely fake website about wanting a PSP is stupid.

It could be cool if they made those videos and such and asked others who wanted a PSP to link to the video or create their own. Then you have something cool, but to make it look like an individual did something that obviously was a marketing firms attempt to create hype is stupid.

Oh well.

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