Author Topic: Sony getting hit Hard lately (Read 865285 times)

Kairon · « **Reply #475 on:** October 02, 2006, 11:28:38 PM »

PS3 Controllers CHEEP!

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=122231

5000 yen including tax for the Sixaxis!

that's just 1200 more yen than the Wiimote, and 600 yen cheaper than a Wiimote+Nunchuck combo!

Good news at last! Hallelujah!

~Carmine M. Red
Kairon@aol.com

Edit: Yeah, you're right, Wiimote is 3800 yen, not 4800.

GoldenPhoenix · « **Reply #476 on:** October 02, 2006, 11:49:20 PM »

Yeah 40$ for a controller that has been exactly the same since the PS2 days with cheap "motion control".

Blue Plant · « **Reply #477 on:** October 02, 2006, 11:57:49 PM »

Minus rumble.

GoldenPhoenix · « **Reply #478 on:** October 03, 2006, 12:21:32 AM »

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Originally posted by: Blue Plant
Minus rumble.

That too! Can't believe I forgot that. There is probaly more advanced and pricier technology in the Wiimote alone than the whole PS3 controller (which is why I think the price of the wiimote/nunchuck is somewhat justified).

KDR_11k · « **Reply #479 on:** October 03, 2006, 01:13:08 AM »

Wait, wasn't the remote 3800 Yen, i.e. the 6Nazis costs 1200 Yen more?

Kairon · « **Reply #480 on:** October 03, 2006, 07:33:25 AM »

So does the PS3 controller have a built-in battery?

~Carmine M. Red
Kairon@aol.com

Ceric · « **Reply #481 on:** October 03, 2006, 08:00:14 AM »

I agree when the people say that the prices probably won't translate over. I'm surprised no one posted that the PSP could connect through USB on that board when they were debating it.

wandering · « **Reply #482 on:** October 03, 2006, 08:00:30 PM »

Looks like Sony is copying Nintendo again. That's right, they're asking everyone to spell their product names in all caps. So, from now on, please call the console PLAYSTATION®3, and the controller SIXAXIS.

...that's right. The controller's new name is SIXAXIS. Ahahaha.

TrueNerd · « **Reply #483 on:** October 03, 2006, 08:48:17 PM »

Sixaxis. Hey, that's the same backwards as it forwards!

Adrock · « **Reply #484 on:** October 03, 2006, 09:01:08 PM »

Sixaxis... I mean, SIXAXIS. You know, I didn't think you could get much worse than Wiimote, but here we are...

KDR_11k · « **Reply #485 on:** October 03, 2006, 10:12:19 PM »

At first I thought sixaxis was a spoof of Firaxis.

couchmonkey · « **Reply #486 on:** October 04, 2006, 08:45:52 AM »

Hey, unbelievers! Business Week / Associated Press is reporting that PS3s were overheating at TGS and had to be repeatedly restarted. Sony's stock dropped as a result.

Of course, this is all lying propoganda, and PSM had a PS3 for hours and had no problems. And the machine was under hot lights in glass cases for 72 hours, so it's not fair. Sony says so.

Spak-Spang · « **Reply #487 on:** October 04, 2006, 09:05:42 AM »

Well. Press Shows aren't going to be fair. If we are asking Nintendo's Wiimote not to be judged by miscalculations from light interference at trade shows, then we can't judge the PS3 for possibly overheating because of lights at their events.

That being said. Was the room temperature unpleasantly hot? Or did Sony just incase their machines in boxes that didn't let air out...it just got hotter and hotter in there.

Probably the latter and Sony was just stupid in their planning.

couchmonkey · « **Reply #488 on:** October 04, 2006, 10:07:46 AM »

Oh it was definitely hot in there. The machines were in glass cases and (possibly) multiple ones in a single glass case, plus it's in a trade show full of bodies, you can imagine the temperature is going to be quite high.

It's absolutely true that the tradeshow floor is a tough place. I read some Wii impressions from the Fusion tour, and apparently someone screwed up one of the two-player games just by powering off his controller. It was a one-player game for the rest of the night. (Probably the reps couldn't reset the console without opening a case or something).

JonLeung · « **Reply #489 on:** October 04, 2006, 11:35:10 AM »

Now I'm just waiting for Sony to declare bankruptcy.

But not until a year later, when they'll really aggravate all of the people that bought a PS3.

And then what's left of Sony will put the blame on the consumers who bought their loss-incurring hardware.

Spak-Spang · « **Reply #490 on:** October 04, 2006, 01:22:12 PM »

It wouldn't matter if Sony declared Backruptcy. Once the PS3 is out...then the system will live on. Sony won't disappear because of something minor like that. Instead they will restructure, and probably put more effort into Blu-Ray and PS3, meaning it would actually be better for the fans.

HA!!!

IceCold · « **Reply #491 on:** October 04, 2006, 02:00:32 PM »

Kaz lies while covering up another lie!

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In a recent interview, Sony Computer Entertainment America president Kaz Hirai said that the “strategic” move to drop rumble from the PlayStation 3 controller was for the consumer’s benefit. Hirai told games website Kikizo in a recently posted Tokyo Game Show video interview, “The issue when we're talking about trying to have motion sensing as well as a vibration feature, is trying to isolate the vibration feature from the motion sensors. Is it technically feasible? Absolutely.”*

However, Hirai said that a tilt-control-enabled controller coupled with rumble technology would be too pricey for many customers.

He continued, “But the other problem, or the balancing act that you need to do, is to be able to present the controller to the consumer at an affordable price. We have one controller in the box, but many consumers will want to go out and get an extra controller. And if we have to come up with technology - which you can technically do - to isolate the vibration from the sensing, if that means that the controllers are going to be so expensive **, then we're doing the consumer a huge disservice by coming up with a controller that is not very affordable.
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Skeptics have insisted that the lack of force feedback has more to do with the legal struggles between force feedback tech licensor Immersion and Sony than any technical or cost issues. Immersion told Next-Gen earlier this year that rumble could be implemented in Sony’s controller rather cheaply and easily.

Smoke39 · « **Reply #492 on:** October 04, 2006, 02:28:08 PM »

Looks like Immersion said it could be implemented cheaply, not necessarily that it could also be isolated cheaply.

BigJim · « **Reply #493 on:** October 04, 2006, 02:59:16 PM »

Ever since beating Sony in the rumble lawsuit and removing the tech from the controller, Immersion has been trolling the internet and anybody that'd listen to try to get Sony to now license their tech. They shoulda just settled their lawsuit. Now I kinda wish Immersion would STFU. They dug their grave.

JonLeung · « **Reply #494 on:** October 04, 2006, 03:37:37 PM »

Pfff, if people have to pay so much for the PS3 anyway, what's another $10-$20 on controllers? They're already doing it for the games.

If he thinks it's a disservice to charge so much for pricey controllers, they should make controller ports for PSX/PS2 controllers and forget about the crappy motion sensing. That'll save previous PlayStation owners money.

KDR_11k · « **Reply #495 on:** October 04, 2006, 09:38:06 PM »

Isolated? I'd expect game devs to take the shaking into account for their control schemes and possibly use it to introduce inaccuracy into the player's movement.

Ever since beating Sony in the rumble lawsuit and removing the tech from the controller, Immersion has been trolling the internet and anybody that'd listen to try to get Sony to now license their tech. They shoulda just settled their lawsuit.

Sony was the one who refused to settle because they knew that whatever damages they'd be forced to pay for infringement would be a lot lower than what licensing would have cost them. I don't know why the judge allowed a situation where criminal conduct is cheaper than legal conduct but I think he should be impaled upon an iron stake for undermining the foundation of the law system.

couchmonkey · « **Reply #496 on:** October 05, 2006, 07:43:50 AM »

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Originally posted by: KDR_11k
Isolated? I'd expect game devs to take the shaking into account for their control schemes and possibly use it to introduce inaccuracy into the player's movement.

That was my reaction too. And of course Sony conveniently ignores the fact that devs could just shut rumble off in the few games that use motion control. My PS3 is crippled because of you, Sony!

Ian Sane · « **Reply #497 on:** October 05, 2006, 08:00:13 AM »

Kaz Hirai is full of sh!t but I will admit that talking about lowering controller costs is pretty clever marketing considering how much Wii controllers are.

Kairon · « **Reply #498 on:** October 05, 2006, 10:27:06 AM »

Anything to distract the consumer from the $599 price tag.

~Carmine M. Red
Kairon@aol.com

Spak-Spang · « **Reply #499 on:** October 05, 2006, 11:37:55 AM »

Paraphrased for comedical purposes:

"We don't want to make the mistake Nintendo made and include everything you would want in a controller, at an expensive price that many will complain about. Our controllers are priced to allow gamers to get extra controllers cheaply to cheap our customers enjoy multiplayer games."

Nintendo's Response:

"And for the price of a low end PS3 ($480.00) you can buy one game and four extra Wii controllers, so you can begin playing four player party games with everyone in the family. We want you to enjoy WiiSports with your entire family, and are pleased that our third party partners are also introducing multiplayer games the entire family can enjoy."

Sony I hate to tell you this, but the public is smarter than this. They can create budgets and add costs together. They know how much it will cost to play multiplayer Wii, and multiplayer PS3...and Wii is still the cheapest multiplayer next generation console on the market.

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