Author Topic: Sony getting hit Hard lately (Read 864680 times)

KDR_11k · « **Reply #425 on:** September 28, 2006, 02:38:25 AM »

Yeah, the cutscenes aren't the problem, the way too repetitive battles are.

capamerica · « **Reply #426 on:** September 28, 2006, 03:25:28 AM »

I thought the battles were repetitive once, then I played 'Skies of Arcadia Legends' and after that I didn't think Final Fantasy was all that bad anymore.
I've played so many RPGs that have had far worst issues with random monster attacks that the Final Fantasy series doesn't bother me. Also FFX and X-2 seemed to have toned it down compaired to FFVIII and FFIX. FFXII actually got rid of the RMA all together, which I'm still up in the air about since I never really had a problem with RMA like alot of people I know.

GoldenPhoenix · « **Reply #427 on:** September 28, 2006, 03:27:24 AM »

All FF games have been lame since Final Fantasy IV (which was amazing), case closed, let's move on.

capamerica · « **Reply #428 on:** September 28, 2006, 04:02:58 AM »

Final Fantasy VI was the best.
Followed by Final Fantasy X in my book.

Final Fantasy VII is way over rated.

Ceric · « **Reply #429 on:** September 28, 2006, 05:39:31 AM »

I liked how they did the battle system in FFVII. My quirk with the FF series, and many other RPGs, is I fill like I'm not engaged. I'm just watching someones life flow to there unchangeable destiny and that instead of being a helping force I'm just moving my puppets along. If your going to be linear be linear. If your going to be open be open and do it right. I hate linear games that have expansive maps to walk on just for the sake of walking around. I prefer a Cutscene that gets me from place to place.

I do think that the newer FF use cutscenes in places that I think just normal character interaction would have been better suited. That's just me. I'll have to play FFVI and FFIV one day.

Spak-Spang · « **Reply #430 on:** September 28, 2006, 05:54:50 AM »

Ceric: I completely agree with that. Specially with how Magic systems are done...just watching a cool animation. That is the reason I love Mario and Luigi RPGS because it includes interactions to the battles.

Ceric · « **Reply #431 on:** September 28, 2006, 06:04:45 AM »

Yep. Thats why I like them too. Thats actually why I like the Baten Kaitos battles system even though it involved cards. Was the interactivity with the combos. I'm sad that what I heard of the sequel they dumbed it down. (Also I enjoyed how they did confusion.)

KDR_11k · « **Reply #432 on:** September 28, 2006, 07:07:07 AM »

FFX was the worst FF in terms of repetitive battles because all battles played out the same, each enemy had its prescribed routine for beating it and all you did was match up enemy and character. BORING. I got stuck because I started skipping battles as they were so boring and after doing that for two hours (during which I didn't see any interesting stuff, only a loooong ice path) I couldn't beat the boss since he wiped my party with one attack.

Athrun Zala · « **Reply #433 on:** September 28, 2006, 07:20:33 AM »

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Originally posted by: capamerica
I thought the battles were repetitive once, then I played 'Skies of Arcadia Legends' and after that I didn't think Final Fantasy was all that bad anymore.
I've played so many RPGs that have had far worst issues with random monster attacks that the Final Fantasy series doesn't bother me. Also FFX and X-2 seemed to have toned it down compaired to FFVIII and FFIX. FFXII actually got rid of the RMA all together, which I'm still up in the air about since I never really had a problem with RMA like alot of people I know.

lol, SoAL didn't have nearly the same amount of random battles as the original DC game had, and for that I liked the DC one better (as the battles were needed, otherwise the following boss would wipe you out...)

and the only time battles were repetitive in SoA was near the end, where you had to use Delta Shield every turn (as the enemies had instant death spells)

oh, and the best battle systems in rpgs are the ones in the Tales of.. series (then BK and Mario RPG series ^^)

Ceric · « **Reply #434 on:** September 28, 2006, 08:16:35 AM »

This is an interesting article that states with the data given right now Sony has a good chance of going away

It's a well done article. Reads much like a forum post.

JonLeung · « **Reply #435 on:** September 29, 2006, 05:02:22 AM »

I'm sure the Spider-Man (the write forgot the hyphen) series of games based on the movies haven't been exclusive to the PS2 or PSP just because the movies are done by Sony Pictures, but other than tiny nitpicks like that, it was an interesting read.

Since they lose so much on the PS3, the only way they can be saved is to expect that everyone who does buy a PS3 has to buy a HDMI cable and lots of games and Blu-Ray movies. But not many games are compelling and the Blu-Ray could potentially lose against the HD-DVD.

Doesn't look good for Sony.

Not that they didn't already seem doomed before this article came out.

I wonder what Sony is thinking. I wonder if they're even really thinking sometimes.

couchmonkey · « **Reply #436 on:** September 29, 2006, 07:43:31 AM »

I was thinking about the Square Enix statement today and something occurred to me. I thought it was very weird how he put it - "We don't want the PlayStation 3 to be the overwhelming loser, so we want to support them," he said. "But we don't want them to be the overwhelming winner either, so we can't support them too much."

Now I think I've figured it out: Square Enix isn't that afraid of Sony, it's afraid of Nintendo. I think it's clear that Square Enix doesn't see Sony as the sure bet anymore, but why is Square "we support the most popular console" Enix saying that it doesn't want anyone to be too popular, after supporting runaway victor Sony for ten years? Because Square Enix is scared of Nintendo once again becoming the tyrranical overlord of all video games.

Okay, so I do have an alternative theory: Square Enix sees Nintendo as the greener pasture, but after burning bridges with Nintendo over the N64, it doesn't want to do the same thing with Sony.

NinGurl69 *huggles · « **Reply #437 on:** September 29, 2006, 07:57:38 AM »

Square Enix knows it can make money off "sympathy games" to starved PS3 players, just like how Capcom operates on the PSP.

Arbok · « **Reply #438 on:** September 29, 2006, 08:00:02 AM »

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Originally posted by: JonLeung
...and the Blu-Ray could potentially lose against the HD-DVD.

I'd be surprised if either of them ever achieved more popularity than Laserdiscs did in the United States, which I'm sure neither of them is going for.

Neither of them is really taking note either the history of Laser Discs, and how the only market those ever succeeded in was Japan. Why? Because they were actually cheaper than VHS, something that neither format has over DVD. To that point, if consumers weren't willing to pay more for Laserdiscs versus VHS, why would either of these high definition DVDs take higher priority over regular DVDs?

couchmonkey · « **Reply #439 on:** September 29, 2006, 09:32:15 AM »

'Cuz HD rox? Nah, I pretty much agree. At least until HDTV penetration goes way up...in...whatever.

Square Enix could have made tons of dollars on N64 or GameCube sympathy games too, but for whatever reason, it didn't. Still, interesting theory, I guess the proff would be if they start downgrading the budgets on the PS3 games.

KDR_11k · « **Reply #440 on:** September 29, 2006, 09:38:45 AM »

I see it this way:
NES: No choice.
SNES: Sega or Nintendo? Same difference
N64/PS1: Freedom! Let's go to Sony!
GC/PS2: Wait, our freedom is shrinking... Sony is becoming a tyrant!
Wii/PS3: We don't want any more monopolies, we want to be free!

Spak-Spang · « **Reply #441 on:** September 29, 2006, 10:36:18 AM »

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Originally posted by: KDR_11k
I see it this way:
NES: No choice.
SNES: Sega or Nintendo? Same difference
N64/PS1: Freedom! Let's go to Sony!
GC/PS2: Wait, our freedom is shrinking... Sony is becoming a tyrant!
Wii/PS3: We don't want any more monopolies, we want to be free!

I agree with this so much...though I think I would add.

NES: Nintendo's evil Monopoly
SNES: Sega or Nintendo? What is the Difference Nintendo still has the reigns
N64/PS1: Freedom from NINTENDO!!! (developers and gamers) Let's go Sony!
GC/PS2/Xbox: Wait consoles can be geared towards Americans? The rise of the Sony Tyrant, and Nintendo finally learns its lesson.
Wii/PS3/360: Sony has become the new Evil Monopoly run to 360 or Wii for your life!!!!

Ceric · « **Reply #442 on:** September 29, 2006, 12:20:47 PM »

I can almost guarantee you that there will be a really pretty exclusive PS3 FF even if they had not history. Why? Uber amounts of space compared to everyone else. In the Lair interview that was posted they talked about how the level they were playing on took 4 gigs of space like it was nothing. I don't know what layering they are using but Blu-ray has tons more space then DVD in all configurations.

Ian Sane · « **Reply #443 on:** September 29, 2006, 02:12:09 PM »

Ken the lunatic's response to the Xbox 360 and the Wii: "We don't care."

Spoken like a true assh0le.

NinGurl69 *huggles · « **Reply #444 on:** September 29, 2006, 02:16:56 PM »

kENy looks like the Goombas from the Super Mario Bros. Movie.

Luigi Dude · « **Reply #445 on:** September 29, 2006, 02:21:15 PM »

So, how long until Sony fires Ken for losing them billions of dollars and ruining the only market that's making them money?

King of Twitch · « **Reply #446 on:** September 29, 2006, 03:35:46 PM »

If Ken's an ahole for saying we don't care, then so's Iwata.. May Reggie PEACE BE UPON HIM forgive me

WuTangTurtle · « **Reply #447 on:** September 29, 2006, 11:27:30 PM »

whats worse is this:
http://www.kotaku.com/gaming/nintendo/jack-tretton-on-the-psp-well-own-the-earth-like-we-own-the-ds-202889.php

Apparently Sony's Jack Tretton tries to use some marketing spin and stating "the adoption rate of the DS over the first 17 months, not only does it trail the PSP but it also trails their other platforms"

dude, seriously you've had your @ss handed to you, accept it. At this point in time there is nothing the PSP can do....

GoldenPhoenix · « **Reply #448 on:** September 29, 2006, 11:48:49 PM »

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Originally posted by: MJRx9000
If Ken's an ahole for saying we don't care, then so's Iwata.. May Reggie PEACE BE UPON HIM forgive me

The difference between Ken and Iwata, is that Ken is doing it out of arrogance while Iwata was doing as to say that they are trying something new and thus were in a whole new world from PS3/Xbox 360 (even though that is turning out to not be the case). While Iwata was trying to distinguish the Wii's uniqueness, Sony is doing it out of pure arrogance.

Spak-Spang · « **Reply #449 on:** September 30, 2006, 02:24:28 PM »

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Originally posted by: Ceric
I can almost guarantee you that there will be a really pretty exclusive PS3 FF even if they had not history. Why? Uber amounts of space compared to everyone else. In the Lair interview that was posted they talked about how the level they were playing on took 4 gigs of space like it was nothing. I don't know what layering they are using but Blu-ray has tons more space then DVD in all configurations.

That may be true...but I will laugh if that game only has like 5-8 levels because it is too graphically intense...or if the game goes to 2 Blu-ray disks.

Seriously, I would be afraid to use too many layers, because I don't want small scratches completely ruining games for people.

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Author Topic: Sony getting hit Hard lately (Read 864680 times)