Author Topic: Sony getting hit Hard lately (Read 866585 times)

IceCold · « **Reply #400 on:** September 26, 2006, 01:19:38 PM »

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Now, however, on the eve of what may be the most hotly contested console war in video gaming's brief history, Square might be changing its tune. Michihiro Sasaki, the Senior Vice President of Square Enix, offered some vague yet significant statements to the Wall Street Journal. Said Sasaki, "We don't want the PlayStation 3 to be the overwhelming loser, so we want to support them. But we don't want them to be the overwhelming winner either, so we can't support them too much."

GoldenPhoenix · « **Reply #401 on:** September 26, 2006, 03:26:58 PM »

Ouch for Sony, those Square statements are pretty telling and I wouldnt' be surprised now if we see FF13 (or later FF games) multiplatform.

wandering · « **Reply #402 on:** September 26, 2006, 03:31:34 PM »

How would that work, though? The Xbox 260 isn't all that popular in Japan, yet that's where Final Fantasy is most popular. And the Wii isn't powerful enough to.....well, actually, I guess FMVs would work equally well on the Wii.....

Kairon · « **Reply #403 on:** September 26, 2006, 03:44:40 PM »

According to 1up:

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Earlier in the story, however, the journalists make mention of where various Square Enix franchises are landing, specifically noting the high-end Final Fantasy sequels will find themselves on PlayStation 3, but more importantly, they have yet to decide who will receive the next Kingdom Hearts.

So FF13 is already locked onto the PS3... but Kingdom hearts could be a HUGE coup if it jumps ship to the X360 or... *gasp* Wii! ... Or Square could just go fiddly-doo multiplatform...

~Carmine M. Red
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jasonditz · « **Reply #404 on:** September 26, 2006, 03:44:43 PM »

They don't really need a console anymore, FF12 virtually plays itself anyhow. Why not take the next logical step and just release the next one on DVD?

Svevan · « **Reply #405 on:** September 26, 2006, 03:56:19 PM »

No one would watch a 45 hour DVD about nothing.

EasyCure · « **Reply #406 on:** September 26, 2006, 04:06:49 PM »

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Originally posted by: Svevan
No one would watch a 45 hour DVD about nothing.

people bought those seinfeld dvds, that show as about nothing. im sure there more than 45 hours worth of a show bout nothing on thos dvd's.

Spak-Spang · « **Reply #407 on:** September 26, 2006, 04:36:02 PM »

I think those SquareEnix comments are arrogant and annoying.

So basically you are saying you are the ONLY reason Sony did well the last two generations...and you only have the power to make other companies thrive and become bigger?

SquareEnix you are an arrogant prick of a company...and I can't wait for you to fall just like Sony is falling because they became too arrogant.

I hope any company besides Sony wins next generation because of the arrogance of Sony...and now I hope some new RPG developer rises in popularity and dethrones the great SquareEnix, because they deserve it.

Bill Aurion · « **Reply #408 on:** September 26, 2006, 04:43:25 PM »

If Squenix holds true with this quote, then I have a feeling that the Dragon Quest series will be Ninty's...Especially with the DQ guy going on record to say that graphics mean nothing to him and that all he cared about was the game experience...

UniversalJuan · « **Reply #409 on:** September 26, 2006, 04:49:18 PM »

Kingdom Hearts? HA! Kingdom Mushrooms amirite? Hells yeah I am!

Arbok · « **Reply #410 on:** September 26, 2006, 05:30:43 PM »

Kingdom Hearts > Final Fantasy. If they do decide to move Kingdom Hearts to the Wii I would be very, very happy.

Other than the Ogre series, that's pretty much my favorite franchise from Square Enix now.

capamerica · « **Reply #411 on:** September 26, 2006, 06:37:49 PM »

Spak-Spang, The only reason the Playstation and the Playstation 2 did so well was because of Square. They aren't full of themselves the numbers prove that every time a Square game is released the sale numbers shoot up. No other company does that. Hell DragonQuest alone got a law passed that made it so the game could only be released on weekends. Sony owes everything to Square for its success, If it wasn't for Square the Playstation would have never taken off. Thats why to this day it was the STUPIDEST move ever for Nintendo and Square to part ways during the N64 era.

If Square is on your side, you will win the Console War.

Ceric · « **Reply #412 on:** September 26, 2006, 07:13:41 PM »

I'm sorry but if KH2 is any indication on how KH3 is I'll pass. The secret ending is the only reason I have hope for KH3. (To tell you how big of a fan I was I didn't pre-order KH2 so I could pick it up at midnight from Wal-mart. I also picked up component PS2 cables for that game. Yeah, I was unhappy when I found out that the shipment had been delayed a little to retailers.)

Another note Square tends to like to tweak a lot. I don't see them going generally multiplatform.

I had something else but I forgot.

GoldenPhoenix · « **Reply #413 on:** September 26, 2006, 10:09:52 PM »

If KH2 is any indication of how KH3 is, I'm ALL FOR IT. I loved KH2, even more so than the original, it was a fun action RPG where you didn't have to spend boring hours leveling up.

WuTangTurtle · « **Reply #414 on:** September 27, 2006, 12:01:04 AM »

I dunno when i read that whole thing i felt Square was just saying we don't want to put all our eggs in one basket only to have that basket end up falling flat.

I think a lot of publishers are taking note that their production costs probably won't lead to easy profits and are waiting for the system to sell first, as seen in the many many cancelled games and no new announced titles.

Hocotate · « **Reply #415 on:** September 27, 2006, 01:49:21 AM »

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But we don't want them to be the overwhelming winner either, so we can't support them too much.

I like this part

Spak-Spang · « **Reply #416 on:** September 27, 2006, 06:00:08 AM »

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Originally posted by: capamerica
Spak-Spang, The only reason the Playstation and the Playstation 2 did so well was because of Square. They aren't full of themselves the numbers prove that every time a Square game is released the sale numbers shoot up. No other company does that. Hell DragonQuest alone got a law passed that made it so the game could only be released on weekends. Sony owes everything to Square for its success, If it wasn't for Square the Playstation would have never taken off. Thats why to this day it was the STUPIDEST move ever for Nintendo and Square to part ways during the N64 era.

If Square is on your side, you will win the Console War.

That is true. And really, looking back I understand that Square's involvement with Playstation helped make it huge in Japan. However, you must have tact and be somewhat humble about this kinda stuff.

Sony was able to do several things right with the Playstation console.
1)Cheaper Medium
2)Cheaper Royality Costs
3)Worked to create good relations with 3rd parties. ect, ect

Sony worked hard in the beginning to become the giant they were. It wasn't JUST Square, even though that helped them more than anything else.

Now Sony is arrogant, and for 10 years they have dominated the home console market, and they believe they can do no wrong. It is time for them to fall.

And SquareEnix has become arrogant. They keep on throwing out RPGs that are more movies than games, and continue to recycle the same Final Fantasy (VII) in different packages and games, that mostly just hurt the original game.

Does SquareEnix still make good games YES. But Should they be acting like God's gift to gaming. NO. Humility is a good quality to have.

Personally, the only Wii SquareEnix games I would like would be: Mario RPG 2, A ChronoTrigger Sequel, Kingdom Hearts (with Nintendo worlds and not Disney), and perhaps a Dragon Quest game because I haven't played that series yet.

Finally, it is said that company can not survive in the US without EA Games support...yet you don't hear them making those bold claims to everyone do you?

couchmonkey · « **Reply #417 on:** September 27, 2006, 06:14:27 AM »

EA speaks in actions, not words. It's actions say, "No football for you!" and, "All your developer are belong to us!"

Square Enix didn't impress me with it's lack of humility in this statement, but if it means I get a real Dragon Quest on Wii, or even a real Final Fantasy, I'm all for it.

Spak-Spang · « **Reply #418 on:** September 27, 2006, 07:25:48 AM »

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EA speaks in actions, not words. It's actions say, "No football for you!" and, "All your developer are belong to us!"

Ok, that is quite funny.

KDR_11k · « **Reply #419 on:** September 27, 2006, 08:48:59 AM »

I don't think this is arrogance. Even if they aren't a deciding factor they'd do well to try making sure that all consoles are approximately equally strong so none of the manufacturers has a monopoly to abuse. If everyone thought like that there wouldn't be any sales gaps as huge as this generation in the future.

capamerica · « **Reply #420 on:** September 27, 2006, 08:55:46 AM »

Why do people keep saying that Square games are more like movies then games?
What games do you people keep using for that example?

Final Fantasy X and X-2 had about 30/45min worth of cut scenes. FFX took me near 40 hours to finish while X-2 took me about 32 hours.

Radiata Stories had 2min cutscenes every 2hours + of gameplay.

Kingdom Hearts I do admit had alot more cut scenes, but it was like a 10min cutscene every few hours of game play. But it wasn't anything that I would call a movie.

Now Xenosaga on the other hand is more of a Movie then a game, But Xenosaga is created by Namco not Square.

Kairon · « **Reply #421 on:** September 27, 2006, 09:02:00 AM »

Same reason we say that Kojima should be a movie director instead of a games director. The games clearly have a narrative bent, but this in and of itself is not bad.

What IS bad is that this narrative isn't being told through the gameplay, the gameplay is merely being used as a tool to fill in space between major events.

Although I will say that Suqare isn't the biggest offender in this regard. Lost Odyssey for the X360 will definitely take that title soon for most cinematic, most turn-based gameplay ever.

~Carmine M. Red
Kairon@aol.com

Svevan · « **Reply #422 on:** September 27, 2006, 11:14:53 AM »

I think Final Fantasy is more guilty than Metal Gear Solid. Cap, FF's reputation wasn't gained by just the fully rendered cutscenes. We're also talking about the long dialogue stretches before and after each cutscene, which total far more than just 45 minutes. Also, a great deal of the "gameplay" hours are achieved through sidequests, minigames (hello FFVIII's super addictive card game), and levelling up.

KDR_11k · « **Reply #423 on:** September 27, 2006, 10:30:34 PM »

What games do you people keep using for that example?

Final Fantasy 12 aka "The game plays itself!".

Final Fantasy X and X-2 had about 30/45min worth of cut scenes.

That's interesting because the cutscene before the boss battle I'm stuck at in FFX is 15 minutes if you skip all the dialogue and yes I have timed that.

capamerica · « **Reply #424 on:** September 28, 2006, 02:22:55 AM »

I might be off on FFX by a bit since I don't have a ripped copy of it. But I do have a copy of all the cut scenes from FFX-2 on DVD thats why I know how long it lasts.

I still don't see the big deal you all seem to be making about Square's games. Your all blowing it waaaaaaaay out of proportion.

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