Author Topic: Super Smash Bros. Brawl (Read 465579 times)

Nephilim · « **Reply #1025 on:** August 14, 2006, 07:32:43 PM »

Nerf characters are some times on purpose, such as dan from street fighter and pichu from melee

if anything, they will just make bowser stranger
his slowness didnt really impact of his damage, as ganon was faster and did about the same

IceCold · « **Reply #1026 on:** August 14, 2006, 07:35:24 PM »

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I was like that back in the day, but now...I find myself playing the game more as a fighter than an insane party game. And it's wierd...all you have to do to switch between them is turn the items either on or off.
Or rather, change the number of players. I find duels with items on far deeper, more strategic, and more satisfying. Some of the best moments in 2-player fighting come in the few secons when you're both trying to get an item but can't go directly for it without the other player smacking you aside and taking it. Great maneuvering and outguessing.

I join the ranks of those who can't believ so many people have trouble with up-A attacks. I don't particularly value the up-as-jump option, but really, this isn't that hard.

Hey, welcome back.. I was wondering where you had gone.

Strell · « **Reply #1027 on:** August 14, 2006, 07:39:03 PM »

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Something else...

I've been noticing an irritating trend of Petey Piranha appearing in Mario games as a playable character. I'd probably have a fit if he were to show up in SSBB as a playable character.

An obstacle in a level, sure, but I'd hate to see a character space wasted on him.

Strangely, I saw this same thing at another board (CAG).

I'm surprised so many people pay attention to him. He is a terrible character, though.

Smash_Brother · « **Reply #1028 on:** August 15, 2006, 08:21:25 AM »

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Originally posted by: Strell Strangely, I saw this same thing at another board (CAG).

I'm surprised so many people pay attention to him. He is a terrible character, though.

A friend was playing Mario Golf last night, hence why I mention him.

It's alright that he appears in Mario games (Kart, Golf, etc.) but I hope that same like which SOMEONE at Nintendo seems to have for him doesn't carry over to Brawl.

There are so many worth characters from past and present which deserve a spot and if one went to him instead, I think many would be pissed.

Also, I think he's disturbing for the same reason Birdo is disturbing: something about a giant plant wearing boxer shorts is fundamentally wrong.

F*ck...I just felt the first real twinge of excitement about Brawl and the secret characters. I REALLY didn't want to build any anticipation this time around...

couchmonkey · « **Reply #1029 on:** August 15, 2006, 10:25:20 AM »

I like Petey, but I agree that he's been getting over-used by Nintendo. I think it's simply a case of Nintendo reusing him so they don't have to make new character models. I really doubt they'd put him in Super Smash Bros. Brawl. Actually, I think that the inclusion of Wario rounds out the Mario cast nicely, I don't feel a strong need to see anyone else. Waluigi and Daisy would be okay, but I don't think the game would be lacking without them.

Dirk Temporo · « **Reply #1030 on:** August 15, 2006, 10:27:02 AM »

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Something else...

I've been noticing an irritating trend of Petey Piranha appearing in Mario games as a playable character. I'd probably have a fit if he were to show up in SSBB as a playable character.

An obstacle in a level, sure, but I'd hate to see a character space wasted on him.

*poke*

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Spak-Spang · « **Reply #1031 on:** August 15, 2006, 10:47:02 AM »

Petey isn't that bad. I think its quite interesting to actually see another Mario villian get the spotlight for a change. It seems like Nintendo is finally looking at secondary characters in the game and are asking if they can be used elsewhere.

Petey may not seem like the best of characters, but IF he were in Brawl it would mean we would probably have another heavy weight class fighter in the game. Being a plant, they could develop moves like Ivy or Omega Red from (Soul Caliber and X-men: Children of the Atom.) That could actually lead to some interesting new powers and abilties for the game.

I don't count out any character as a bad character, until I see how they are creating the character personally.

Smash_Brother · « **Reply #1032 on:** August 15, 2006, 11:29:40 AM »

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Originally posted by: couchmonkey Actually, I think that the inclusion of Wario rounds out the Mario cast nicely, I don't feel a strong need to see anyone else.

I would have been sorely disappointed if we didn't see Wario in the game this time around. He's been around since the NES, had plenty of his own games and recently scored it huge with Wario Ware. He should have been in Melee, IMHO, but I'm glad he's represented in Brawl and in his biker outfit (but it would be nice to have his original clothes as an alternate costume).

On the subject of side characters, Sakurai mentioned something about the Ice Climbers being gone but that we can expect to see another pair or two, possibly, which makes me wonder if Kat and Ana from WW might not be one of said pairs.

Of course, my real hope will always be that SSBB covers as many franchises as possible as that's the point of a SSB game: bringing as many universes together under one roof.

SSB had 12 characters and covered 9 franchises (10 if you count Yoshi as his own). Mario universe, Kirby, Metroid, LoZ, Pokemon, StarFox, Earthbound, F-Zero and Donkey Kong Country.

SSBM had 25 characters but only covered 12 franchises. Mario universe, Kirby, Metroid, LoZ, Pokemon, StarFox, Earthbound, F-Zero, Donkey Kong Country, Fire Emblem, G&W and Ice Climbers (13 if you count Dr. Mario, which I don't).

The ratio of characters to franchises covered was abysmal but we already know that Brawl seems to be turning that trend around with the addition of Pit, Wario and Snake.

With a goal of around 40 characters, I'm hoping they can cover as many franchises, new and old, as possible.

Caterkiller · « **Reply #1033 on:** August 15, 2006, 11:56:17 AM »

I love Petey Piranha! as a character that is... I thought he was way to big for Mario Kart and Teenis. But I have always loved Piranha plants in general. And if it weren't for that diaper, he would be perfect to me. I could imagine him throwing up on people slowing them down a bit. Using Tornadoes as his projectile maybe? Charge them up like PK Flash or Mewtwo's Shadow ball? I would love to see him in the game, and wouldn't be surprised if he actualy was, since he has appeared in almost every Mario spin off since Sunshine. And for me that would be enough from the Mario Universe.

Now I wll be dissapointed if the Ice Climbers are gone but im expecting it. If there is going to be a replacement team I would think Diddy and Dixie kong would be awesome together. We would finaly get more DK characters(outside of Mario) and they wouldn't take up individual spots. All that tag teaming stuff from DKC2 would fit so well with the ice climbers duo gameplay.

And why doesn't Donkey Kong barrel roll yet? His running A should do just that.

UltimatePartyBear · « **Reply #1034 on:** August 15, 2006, 12:53:04 PM »

I think Petey Piranha is only used in Mario spinoffs because they're running out of Mario series characters even as each new sequel demands a larger roster. I highly doubt he'll show up as a playable character in Brawl, but he might be fun as a stage feature. There could be an Isle Delfino stage with Petey flying around, occasionally doing something to affect the fight, like spitting fireballs or spreading slippery goop, but I don't want him to be playable.

Strell · « **Reply #1035 on:** August 15, 2006, 01:15:46 PM »

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On the subject of side characters, Sakurai mentioned something about the Ice Climbers being gone .

Link please.

Because the only time anything regarding the Ice Climbers has ever been mentioned was the bs rumor started at Gamefaqs.

It's been repeated at least 3-4 times here, and everytime I see it, I have to chime in that nothing has been confirmed regarding them.

I find it hard to believe that they'd drop them, especially given that Miyamoto loves them so much.

Plus they are hella fun to play with.

Smash_Brother · « **Reply #1036 on:** August 15, 2006, 01:51:46 PM »

They're definitely dropping some characters, but I can't find any immediate confirmation that these characters will be the Climbers, G&W and Young Link (to be replaced with WW Link).

Sakurai supposedly said it in an interview, but I can't find the immediate interview.

Spak-Spang · « **Reply #1037 on:** August 15, 2006, 01:51:53 PM »

Here is my thoughts on likely Mario Universe characters or changes to characters in Brawl:

Luigi as ghost fighter Luigi is likely.
Petey Pirahana is very likely, and would be quite cool.
Baby Mario and Luigi would be a great double team character like the Ice Climbers
and finally,
I could see that crazy Professor becoming from Luigi's Mansion becoming a character too. (though I would suspect this is only likely if Luigi ISN'T ghost fighter Luigi.

I do agree that we need to represent several franchises, but we also have to have good franchises to represent.

Animal Crossing is kinda crazy and silly to represent.
Pikmin should be included, and I would be shocked if it wasn't.
Advanced Wars...we have tons of potential here, and should be represented.
Pit is already confirmed so we should be happy.

Most other Major character focused Nintendo games already has characters in Brawl or Melee representing them in some fashion.

Strell · « **Reply #1038 on:** August 15, 2006, 02:00:38 PM »

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They're definitely dropping some characters, but I can't find any immediate confirmation that these characters will be the Climbers, G&W and Young Link (to be replaced with WW Link).

Sakurai supposedly said it in an interview, but I can't find the immediate interview.

I know that. But "not all of them will return" doesn't really say....anything at all at this point.

Smash_Brother · « **Reply #1039 on:** August 15, 2006, 02:03:12 PM »

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Originally posted by: Spak-Spang Animal Crossing is kinda crazy and silly to represent.

I just don't understand how people can believe that a Nintendo game can sell 4.89 million copies worldwide and yet not have a character to represent it in SSBB, possibly twice.

Do people forget the fact that Resetti and KK were trophies in Melee?

Spak-Spang · « **Reply #1040 on:** August 15, 2006, 02:21:28 PM »

Smash: Trophies, levels, Items from Animal Crossing...all perfectly fine.

No characters. Animal Crossing wasn't about fighting in any way shape or form, and Brawl would not fit or honor the spirit of the original series.

That is also another element people forget about character selection, that they must be represented in a means that actually respects the original source material.

I am glad Animal Crossing does so well, but I don't think any characters from the game should be in it.

Like I said ealier on this matter. Nintendogs sold well, should we have virtual Puppy as a fighter? No. It is represented fine by an item.

How about Brain Age, lets have that floating head Doctor as a character.

It doesn't work and doesn't fit.

Though it would be funny, if there was an item that you threw at somebody that made them solve a math problem before being able to move again. You could just have to free hand write the number. Or it could be multiple choice and you just press your button.

Smash_Brother · « **Reply #1041 on:** August 15, 2006, 02:59:44 PM »

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Originally posted by: Spak-Spang No characters. Animal Crossing wasn't about fighting in any way shape or form, and Brawl would not fit or honor the spirit of the original series.

That is also another element people forget about character selection, that they must be represented in a means that actually respects the original source material.

First, I must have missed the game where Captain Falcon got out of his car and starting beating people up, and the one where Fox (from the original SSB) got out of his Arwing and kicked people. Game and Watch didn't attack people in any of his games, neither did Zelda or Dr. Mario.

None of these characters were "fighters" and yet they created movesets for them.

Second, Nintendogs are an item because there's no feasible character from the game to include as a playable character because the point of the puppies is that they're customizable, just as a "player" from AC wouldn't work because they too are customizable, but that doesn't mean that there aren't characters which WOULD work.

The argument is like saying that F-Zero would have to include a CAR from the game to be properly represented, but they used a driver instead because a driver works as a playable character, just as Fox wouldn't work in his Arwing but works on foot.

The same goes for AC: the player may not control the character of Mr. Resetti or KK, but that doesn't mean they wouldn't be easily recognized icons from the AC world capable of fighting in Brawl like many other characters who weren't designed as fighters.

Luigi Dude · « **Reply #1042 on:** August 15, 2006, 03:04:42 PM »

Here's my predictions for what charactors I think will be added for each series.

Mario - Daisey and Waluigi (With them in the entire main Mario cast would be in.)

Zelda - Ganon and Tingle (I expect Ganon to be in there as either a transformation from Ganondorf or a seperate charactor. Even though everyone will want to kill me, Tingle has been in several Zelda game and played some important roles. Plus he's popular in Japan and is getting his own game there so I think he has a good chance.)

Donkey Kong - Diddy or a Diddy/Dixie team (I'd prefer the team format since it'd make a much better charactor.)

F-Zero - Samurai Goroh or Black Shadow (Samurai Goroh is Captions Falcon rival so he has the best chance, but if for some reason he's not then the only charactor left would be Black Shadow for being the villian of the series.)

Metroid - Ridley (He's been in nearly all the games and is Samus hated nemisis. And for everyone complaining about his size, they can make him the same size as Bowser and he'd work just fine.)

Earthbound - Jeff or Poo (Since Earthbound was the only one in the series to be released here and Mother 2 is the best selling Mother game in Japan, it'd have to be one of them.)

Kirby - Since Metaknight is in I dont expect anymore. If they do add another one though then it'd be King Dedede.

Star Fox - Wolf (He's Fox's rival and very popular, meaning he's in.)

Pokemon - Deoxys (He's pretty much the Mewtwo of Ruby/Sapphire/Emerald Pokemon games, plus with his different forms he'd make a very unique charactor.)

Fire Emblem - Sigurd or Ike (Sigurd is 2nd only to Marth in popularity in Japan and Ike was from the most recent Fire Emblem and is quite popular in both the US and Japan.)

Third Party - Sonic and Megaman (I've already said my reasons for this several times.)

As for new series I expect Caption Olimar from Pikmin and an Animal Crossing charactor to be in the game as well.

Smoke39 · « **Reply #1043 on:** August 15, 2006, 03:16:05 PM »

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Earthbound - Jeff or Poo (Since Earthbound was the only one in the series to be released here and Mother 2 is the best selling Mother game in Japan, it'd have to be one of them.)

Why not Paula? Or one of the enemies/bosses? I wanna be a starman! O:

Ceric · « **Reply #1044 on:** August 15, 2006, 03:18:23 PM »

From Kirby I think it be funny to see one of those little generic spear guys as a character.
Though most of what you mentioned up there I would like to see as event battles, Ridley, Wolf, and Black Shadow.
Some series though they don't have fighting even in there background. I rather see them represented in other ways. (Like event, levels, and battlefields.)

Spak-Spang · « **Reply #1045 on:** August 15, 2006, 03:36:16 PM »

Blue Falcon as a character is a Bounty Hunter. He has a background story that says he is a fighter. Yes, he never jumped out of his car...but it hits the written dialog of the character, and even fits some of the atmosphere of the F-Zero series (dangerous high stakes racing.)

Doctor Mario is Mario. Just because he is in a Doctor's outfit doesn't change who he is. It was just a simple twist to the original character.

Peach has been adventuring in SMB2, and had roles (although limited) in the Mario RPGs.

Mr. Game and Watch is an exception, but nothing in his games said he couldn't have had a fighting game. Simply put, he was put in the game to represent Nintendo's history.

And to represent Animal Crossing the best is through items or a game level and not character involvement.

I didn't pull that idea out of my butt. It came from developers talking about how Sakurai tried to be very respectful and honoring of every character he used in Smash Brothers Melee. So much so that it got around and even 3rd parties respected his takes on classic characters.

I think respecting the character also means respecting the franchises they come from and what ideals they portrayed.

Pikmin works because there was battling in Pikmin and the idea of teamwork can still be incorporated into the character creation of Olmar in Brawl.

Chibi-Robo had combat elements and he could make a very engaging and fun character in the game. (Although his size would have to be increased...but so did pikachus.)

Now Drill Dozer is a perfect fit for Smash Brothers, as Jill screams tough fighter and she has a mech to prove it.

This is the kinda stuff I am talking about. But Animal Crossing is a game about the peaceful joys of life. Earning money, designing a home to live in, recreational activities, writing and so on. I just don't think the characters work.

However, their items as mentioned before in this thread earlier make for great inclusions. Golden Shovels could dig traps to fall into and such. Very fun.

Bill Aurion · « **Reply #1046 on:** August 15, 2006, 03:47:12 PM »

Where the hell is Wolf Link/Midna? Why haven't they been listed!? >=|

And yes, I demand Jill from Drill Dozer be in the game...Unique characters for the win...

Ceric · « **Reply #1047 on:** August 15, 2006, 04:05:38 PM »

There should be a Darkworld level that does weird things to all the characters.

Arbok · « **Reply #1048 on:** August 15, 2006, 04:06:57 PM »

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They're definitely dropping some characters, but I can't find any immediate confirmation that these characters will be the Climbers, G&W and Young Link (to be replaced with WW Link).

Sakurai supposedly said it in an interview, but I can't find the immediate interview.

There was no interview. That's the power of the internet: mention a source that can't immediatly be confirmed, and then be believed by the masses until it never materializes (which is what happend).

As I recall, Young Link and Game & Watch were also included in the "supposed confirmation" of characters to be removed, while he announced that Bowser Jr., the Cel-shaded Link and Ridley would all be playable... which is all BS at this stage.

Ceric · « **Reply #1049 on:** August 15, 2006, 04:15:35 PM »

Yep, I don't want to see Bowser Jr. I don't like that Character. Especially since he killed all of his siblings. Though he has a fair shot of being in there. I just hope he isn't.

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