Topic: Something important to know about the Revolution

[Plugabugz]

Plus "Eternal Darkness: Insanity Fulfilled" sounds like a complete rip from a certain album titled "Destiny Fulfilled"

[Truthliesn1seyes]

KDR I never said I believed in the "leak".  I just posted it to help move along the stagnant Rev threads.  Since there is very little news for the system, any rumor is welcome just for the sake of entertainment and debate.

[Spak-Spang]

To continue conversation who thinks those Redesigns of the Revolution are stupid?

The R logo for the Revolution is un-inspired

But worse is the shortening of Revolution to REVO.  If you wanted to shorten the name abr. REV.  Nintendo REV is cool, but REVO is silly.

The redesign is obvious a fake.

[Stimutacs Addict]

but it rhymes with Tivo ...

.. whose stock prices are falling down down down, ever falling down

[Truthliesn1seyes]

Got this from the Nsider forums.  I'm not sure if its been posted over on any of these threads since I haven't been on in a while.  Here it is none the less.

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http://revolutionrumors.blogspot.com/


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New Email from the Revolution Engineer
I have recieved a new email from the Revolution Engineer, A.K.A 19D.O.R.Evolution:



19D.O.R.EVOLUTION
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this is what i saw in japan:

the controller prototype i've used was a single piece
conventional-shaped one with a rather large plain
rectangular space in the middle of the butterfly design
portion. the rectangle was made of semi-transparent
plastic that at first look resembled polycarbonate but it
has a slightly gummy surface.it had conventional buttons
and stick and a microphone too.just a bad shaped
unfinished prototype assembled only to show us how it
worked.

during the bowling demo the hologram of a little bowling
ball appeared just a two or three centimeter below the
plastic surface and came up a half centimeter above, just
like it was emerging from the water.
then a japanese engineer told me to take aim using the
conventional controls or built-in gyroscopes (two in-line
- left and right side for dual feedback) and to blow on
the ball in order to make it fly into the tv screen. i did
it and the that ball had an acceleration mouvement toward
the big plasma screen, being holographically displayed
above the plain surface until it reached the front edge of
the same, then disappeared from the controller and almost
instantly re-appeared bigger on the tv screen and
...strike.
the acceleration curve of the object was calculated on the
noise level recorded by the microphone a bit like it is on
the nintendo ds, but, i think, in a more sophisticated
way.
obviously it was only a demo controller setup with several
features not yet implemented for example those regarding
tactile control and haptics.
the holographic projector features a very cheap high
resolution lcd holo-display developed in japan by nintendo
with the help of sharp using licensed nasa technology.
several arrays of smd high-bright white leds (gallium
nitride/indium-gallium nitride) under the above-mentioned
very thin display provide holographic projection of 3d
shapes in the air.

think about the ability to visualize items, characters,
and other objects or simply a control panel, and change,
swap,select and other actions by voice commands or by
touching them.

the other interface i saw (but not tested) featured a two
piece controller shaped like guns (only a gyroscope each
one) and i heard that holographic projection could be used
too with it but only via a separated projector box add-on
that was non shown that day.

by the way, i don't know which kind of controller has been
chosen or which features will be included and which not in
the final design, due to marketing reasons. maybe two
interface versions for different continental markets (i.e.
the cheaper one for countries such as india,china and
south-east asia) but this last one is only a personal
speculation.


that's all i can say about.
working there is like watertight compartments.
enough?
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p.s.:i am not any 19doh,d'oh or whatever else simpson boy
from other forums.

Interestingly enough, one of the responses included this link:

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http://sbir.gsfc.nasa.gov/SBIR/succ.../7-043text.html

The most interesting line being:


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# $300,000 of support from Japanese company to develop for game applications  

[BlackNMild2k1]

Truthlies, already posted that at PGC

Revolutionary controller thread

I beat you by almost 12 hours

[BlackNMild2k1]

Here is something that has been brought up before, but is now the lastest rumor that is supposed to post on IGN tomorrow (yes I know tomorrow is Sunday and that IGN doesn't update on weekends)

http://revolutionrumors.blogspot.com/

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July 3, 2005 - At a share holders meeting today, Nintendo Co. Ltd.'s president, Saturo Iwata, revealed that the company's next generation game console, code-named Revolution, would be able to wirelessly output to multiples televisions. He went on to explain that this would, "add an exciting, new element to multiplayer games," and would, "give developers a tool to deliver creative and fun gaming expierences."

Iwata revealed that Nintendo co-developed this technology with wireless solutions expert Broadcom. Iwata said, "By utilizing Broadcom's wireless technology, Nintendo can provide the high performance connectivity capabilities that will truly make users of Revolution say, 'Wow!'" Earlier this year, Broadcom announced a strategic partnership with Nintendo to provide its next generation consoles with wireless broadband technologies.

At May's E3 event, Saturo Iwata commented that the Revolution will fundamentally change the way in which controller, console, television and wifi interact.

They spelled Satoru wrong, but thats forgiveable.  

Before you question the technology, >here< is a link to a NEC wireless HDTV transmitter, and I also think that Sony has a wireless tablet that dispays video from your pc into the palm of your hand.

We also know that PS3 will display across 2 HD screens (supposedly in 1080p), so what do you think of Nintendo possibly doing something similar only on an affordable scale?

Instead of 4player split screen on the same screen you could have 2 people on 1 screen and 2 people on a second screen, or even everyone has their own screen, in the same room, or all over the house.  

Or maybe muliple people can play multiple games on different tv's at the same time. 1st person playing Mario64 in the living room, 2nd person playing Super Metroid in a bedroom, and another person playing FF3 in a 2nd bedroom.

UltraWideBand / UltraWideBand / UltraWideBand  

And to push this furher, Mitsubishi(the 3rd UltraWideBand link) is the Japanese counterpart of NEC(?), and NEC is developing Nintendo's LSI for the REV

IGN Rev Faq

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In December 2002 Bloomberg reported that Nintendo had agreed to collaborate with NEC on a system LSI that would serve as the core for the new console

NEC's Rev LSI?  

[IceCold]

"IGN doesn't update on weekends"

Actually, they do sometimes, I believe.

Oh yea, and this would actually be one of Nintendo's main reasons for not including HD support on the Rev. I'm not sure, but I think I read somewhere that it would be easy to transmit SD signals wirelessly, but there's not enough bandwith to transmit HD signals wirelessly or something.

[Truthliesn1seyes]

NEC has something out to transmit HD signals wirelessly.  I don't have the link right now but I'm sure I'm not the only one to have read about it.  I'll see if I can find the link.

[BlackNMild2k1]

I provided the link to HDTV wireless transmitter in my post above, but I'll post it here again

HDTV Transmitter from NEC

[Ian Sane]

"Oh yea, and this would actually be one of Nintendo's main reasons for not including HD support on the Rev. I'm not sure, but I think I read somewhere that it would be easy to transmit SD signals wirelessly, but there's not enough bandwith to transmit HD signals wirelessly or something."

It seems like kind of a lame tradeoff though.  Having to use cords to hookup a console to a TV is not a huge burden or anything.  Why not just make wireless TV connection an OPTION so if I want to play a one player game or something in HD I can and then I only have to sacrifice HD when I want to play on multiple TVs in different rooms?  It's like how wi-fi as an option is really cool but as a standard is a big pain in the butt for those that just use regular "wired" internet.  This is a really cool idea but there is absolutely no good reason why there has to be a tradeoff.  Just don't allow HD when people want to use several screens.

[xts3]

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Originally posted by: KDR_11k
Wait until FF is out before you get the PS3, if Sony fumbles as badly as everyone's expecting FF will go to someone else.

There is no way in hell a real Final fantasy will ever see the light of day on Nintendo system since Sony, Square enix and EA are in bed together.

[Truthliesn1seyes]

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Originally posted by: xts3

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Originally posted by: KDR_11k
Wait until FF is out before you get the PS3, if Sony fumbles as badly as everyone's expecting FF will go to someone else.

There is no way in hell a real Final fantasy will ever see the light of day on Nintendo system since Sony, Square enix and EA are in bed together.

Where are you getting this info from?  As far as I know, EA, Squareenix and Sony have nothing to do with each other.  EA supports everyone and their mothers and Squareenix seems to support the market leader.  Sony does not hold any controlling shares in the company anymore so Squareenix is free to do as it pleases.  I'm sure this coming generation we'll see Square start to expand outside of Sony's camp, its only logical.

[nickmitch]

Didn't the original FF's come out, initially, on Nintendo consoles?

[darknight06]

Yep, in fact the first FF on the NES was gonna be Square's last game due to financial issues IIRC.  Key word, WAS.

[Mario]

WHOA, that would be HUGE! If this is true, would that mean the Revolution will be the first wireless DVD player?

I think this needs it's own thread, someone make one.  

[31 Flavas]

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Originally posted by: Ian Sane

It seems like kind of a lame tradeoff though.  Having to use cords to hookup a console to a TV is not a huge burden or anything.  Why not just make wireless TV connection an OPTION so if I want to play a one player game or something in HD I can and then I only have to sacrifice HD when I want to play on multiple TVs in different rooms?

Whats the huge deal though with HD though. That is it doesn't do anything to the graphics, its a video enhancement, like going from composite to s-video or componet. Sure sure, everything is rendered at 1920x1080 resolution, or whatever, but the graphical benifits are minimal, while the $$ cost to do so, at this time, is very high. Even still, only, what, maybe 5 percent of users will use it in the consoles life. I'm not saying HD is not something that Nintendo should never do, it just doesn't make sense for Nintendo since they are more about value and gaming then trends and fads.

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It's like how wi-fi as an option is really cool but as a standard is a big pain in the butt for those that just use regular "wired" internet.  This is a really cool idea but there is absolutely no good reason why there has to be a tradeoff.  Just don't allow HD when people want to use several screens.

Whats to stop Nintendo from including a Wi-Fi reciever that you can plug into your wired router? it wouldn't cost anywhere near what including 6800 ultra or x800 PE (or higher) calibur graphics chips would cost. Edit: And besides, compaired to HDTV it's, what, $99 and less for Wi-Fi routers (mine was $70, $50 after mail in rebate).  

[IceCold]

It's possible that Nintendo will include their own cheap router. And if they don't, the cost of routers has dropped drastically. It's so cheap now that it isn't really a factor.

[stevey]

Wi Fi router are very cheap at best buy they only cost $5.

[Artimus]

Uh...$5!?

[stevey]

Well it's 59.99 but after rebates it's 4.99

[nickmitch]

Yeah, Best Buy.

[xts3]

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Whats to stop Nintendo from including a Wi-Fi reciever that you can plug into your wired router? it wouldn't cost anywhere near what including 6800 ultra or x800 PE (or higher) calibur graphics chips would cost. Edit: And besides, compaired to HDTV it's, what, $99 and less for Wi-Fi routers (mine was $70, $50 after mail in rebate).

Comparing Wi-fi on a console to PC graphics  is apples and oranges:  The hardware for the console is subsidized by Nintendo and nintendo gets royalties, the guys making video cards sole source of profit and revenue is FROM the hardware, they dont charge game developers royalties so they can make cheaper video cards for the masses (although that would be a pretty smart idea to save PC gaming from becoming so expensive that it may just fall off the map because no one can afford the hardware, but most likely PC will focus on entirely different market for games or maybe MS will save the day with Xbox 360 and XNA doing Xbox360+PC ports at the same time.

[Truthliesn1seyes]

I posted this over at the Nsider forums and decided to come here and do the same.  I'm sure some of you have already read and/or posted some of these rumors but this should keep the Rev convos flowing lol.

I'm not sure if any of the following has been posted but I just ran into some of these in a few blogs I was looking at.

1. New G5 processors one being a low-power 970FX and the other a dual core 970MP. There is an interesting sentence in the article though

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The PPC and Cell will form the heart of games consoles from Microsoft, Nintendo and Sony over the next 12 months  

We all know where the Cell is going so if this quote is to be believed then we can assume the Rev could be using one of these 2 chips or any other PPC chip. Anyways, here's the link to the article
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/07/08/ibm_powerpc/
and.... here's a link to a CNET's article on the chips
http://news.com.com/IBM+details+new..._3-5779894.html

2. A new ON video has appeared. Its real short and is a recording off of a monitor and not an actual direct feed. Looks well done but make of it what you will, I'm no professional lol.

http://src-network.com/on2.wmv

3. at SeriousGamer007's blog, he supposedly has a picture of what the Rev can do graphically in game. Here's the pic he has posted

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a140/RevolutionRumors/ScienceLabScreen-Shot.jpg

Also of note, that picture was taken from ATI's Crytek promotion. Here's the link to their page

http://www.ati.com/gitg/promotions/crytek/

The page runs a 4 min stream of a demo called "The Project" using the new ATI RadeonĀ® X800 XT and PLATINUM EDITION. It looks real nice from what I can see. What caught my eye though is the main title

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"ATI and Crytek: The future of PC gaming, Hollywood style"

Hollywood is what Nintendo used to describe its graphic chip being developed by ATI right?

4. Also, here's a new blog I ran into from another supposed "insider" lol working for a 3rd party dev who has seen a tech demo of the Rev hardware. Its an entertaining read and I've just brought it up for sh*ts and giggles, help some of you kill some time. He gets into button to button detail of the controller and all its functions and throws around a few rumors he has heard around his office such as the Rev being able to wirelessly send video feeds to your DS which he says will allow you to play NES and SNES games on your DS. Theres more but I'll let you read and decide what to make of it.
http://theblogs.net/user/kingdea/

[KnowsNothing]

http://src-network.com/on2.wmv

Linked for right-click-save-as-ability.