Topic: Something important to know about the Revolution

[Truthliesn1seyes]

http://nintendo-revolution.blogspot.com/

The Nintendo Stereo 3D talk has been officially shot down.....

[nickmitch]

Can't wait for the next big rumor.

[Truthliesn1seyes]

Well TVman, the next big rumor is here lol.

The infamous SeriousGamer007 has just posted "soon to be confirmed" news of Nintendo striking a deal with Emagin for the use of the tech in the Z800 3D Visor. Here's the link

http://seriousgamer007.blogspot.com/

He also has a video up of what is to be the inspiration for Xenias
http://www.youtube.com/?v=VO-hrbLQ7wE

Enjoy picking him apart lol.

[nickmitch]

I swear that I called that in another thread. I remember someone pointed out a triforce like logo and they were also scheduled to be at E3 next year. AND Nintendo WAS an affiliate(sp?).

I call this one believeable. However I'm not getting my hopes TOO high.

[Truthliesn1seyes]

TVman, elaborate a little, I'm not sure what your saying.  Are you referring to the 3d visor or that Xarias video?  I can't say much bout the 3d visor cuase who knows what Nintendo has planned but that Xarias video looked touched up.  The text that came up during the video looks like it was added on to the video becuase of the text's low quality and the poor choice of words.

[nickmitch]

The visor. Someone brought that up somewhere. (Boy, I wish I could find it.)  

[IceCold]

The video really doesn't serve a purpose. There were just army men running down towards somewhere.... Great, that will definitely be on the top of my list. Sure, it would show that the hardware is powerful, but it was really boring just watching people run, without knowing what you are actually supposed to do.

And the text was really poor; white Arial text with such a lack of eloquency?  

[kirby_killer_dedede]

I'm calling fake on that vid right now.

The text being the biggest clue.

And the bigger clue being that that video (without the text) was done on hardware obviously less capable than the GameCube.  Plus, it's not Retro quality at all...hell, look at how they're running!  And I swear I've heard that music before.

[Zach]

A 3-D visor would not be too hard to make, they would simply have the veiw in each eye hole be slightly different, creating the illusion of depth.  Have you ever used an old fashioned stereopticon (sp?) it works the same way, so that technology has been around for a long time.

As for the video, it does look fake, but it could be a hastily put together teaser, and may still be in the works.  The text does remind me of the Twighlight Princess trailer "Swords will shatter; sheilds will break" (sorry if I got that wrong)  But the way the twighlight princess video used it was a million times cooler.

[Truthliesn1seyes]

This isn't anything Revolution related but I found it to be quite funny lol. It appears as if someone made a virtual reality Mario Brothers game lol. Mind you, its very basic, the graphics look similar to n64 graphics and the collision detection is horrible but its a good laugh lol. Here's the link

http://www.etc.cmu.edu/projects/bvw...io_live_wmv.wmv

This though could be Rev related.  I found another video for everyone to see. This one, IMO, seems to be a legit video of what to expect from Revolution graphically. Its a video of a next gen Sonic game. If you listen clostly to the announcer, she states its all running real time. The quality of the graphics are amazing so I highly doubt this is a hoax. Sonic hasn't been announced for the Rev though but odds are that it'll be released on Nintendo's system. Anyways, here's the link people. Enjoy, it looks tight from what I can see.

http://www.sonicstadium.org/games/n...s/tech_demo.wmv

EDIT:  Looks like it was running on xbox360 hardware.  Never the less, its still a good indication of what Rev will be able to do IMO.

http://www.xboxyde.com/news_1621_fr.html

 

[Spak-Spang]

If I remember that Sonic was running on the early Xbox 360 software...which means it wasn't full power.  Obviously its very safe to assume that the Revolution will be able to achieve graphics as good or better than those presented in the video.  

I am not one that subscribes to the Revolution being more powerful than the Xbox 360.  I predict it will be very similarly powered or slightly less with Revolution being able to achieve more because of not needing HD fill-rates.

So, I think that video is a great indicator.

[Truthliesn1seyes]

Found this patent over at the nsider forums.  Its supposed to be Rev related but I'm not too sure, I'm reading it as I post it.  Hopefully the more tech savy members can dig in and get to the meat of this patent.

http://appft1.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO2&Sect2=HITOFF&p=1&u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsearch-bool.html&r=3&f=G&l=50&co1=AND&d=PG01&s1=Nintendo.AS.&OS=AN/Nintendo&RS=AN/Nintendo  

[IceCold]

I couldn't read it all, and I don't know anything about this embedded graphics pixel frame buffer or whatever the hell it is, but here are some morsels.

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[0067] In this example, system 50 is capable of processing, interactively in real time, a digital representation or model of a three-dimensional world. System 50 can display some or all of the world from any arbitrary viewpoint. For example, system 50 can interactively change the viewpoint in response to real time inputs from handheld controllers 52a, 52b or other input devices. This allows the game player to see the world through the eyes of someone within or outside of the world.

Of course, this probably means controlling the camera angle with the C-Stick or w/e but it could be 3D.

Quote
0066] FIG. 1 shows an example interactive 3D computer graphics system 50. System 50 can be used to play interactive 3D video games with: interesting stereo sound. It can also be used for a variety of other applications.

Interesting

Quote
converts the image signals into analog and/or digital video signals suitable for display on a standard display device such as a computer monitor or home color television set 56.

 

[Truthliesn1seyes]

If you visit the Nsider forums, thread "rev rumors and speculations" most people there are writing it off as Gcube related for a few reasons that they posted there.  I'm not to sure though, it could be something that started on the Cube and is now being built upon for the Rev.   There's a pic from the paten though makes you think it could be Rev related though but I don't know how to post a pic here.  Here's the URL though, I have it hosted on photobucket.


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v304/mentallyerect/20050162436-2.jpg
 

[BlackNMild2k1]

I remember that pic from some patent from a year or two ago on B3D forums, it was for something GC related.  Not saying that this patent is GC related but that pic was attached to a GC patent previously.

[Spak-Spang]

After reading the patient it sounds to me to be basically a chip set that allows for easy anti-aliasing and other special features for colors and pixels.  Nothing revolutionary at all.
Perhaps there is still more to the chip.  Is the Gamecube able to do 96 bit super color?  If it is I would say this patient is just for the Cube.

If it isn't then we definately have something to do with the Revolution...but this is such a small piece of the puzzle its like having nothing at all.

[BlackNMild2k1]

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Han_Solo from the G4 boards (supposedly works for Factor 5)wrote:

OK guys, got some new things about Revolution.


Yesterday Nintendo released their "near-to-final" specs again


Remember that N-Forum Magazine that was published on the internet about what the Rev will be like. It said Nintendo had 2 systems to choose from. I personally don’t know if that was true or false, but this is what happened.

Nintendo does have 2 prototypes in schedule, and is going to decide some time next year on which one to go ahead with. They also said that some of the specs I have released in my other set of specs have some errors , and that this is the much satisfied spec.



Revolution Specs

System 1
CPU:
IBM Custom PowerPC 2.5 GHz with 128 KB L1 cache + 2 internal Highly customized G5 cores, 2.5 GHz each.

Each G5 core will have 128 KB L1 cache.
The whole CPU (including the cores) will share either 256 – 512 KB of L2 cache.
Its Dual Threaded, G5 cores to have 2 hardware threads per core, 4 Threads total

10 billion dot product operations per second

Theoretical speed of CPU in a non-realistic way of looking at it, but it still is correct….

2.5 GHz CPU + 2x 2.5 GHz cores = 7.5 GHz total



Now this seems correct to that GameInformer Magazine that published the specs, but these specs are similar, but faster…



Revolution GPU
The same GPU spec as I released in my other sheet. Here’s a look back on it; But unfortunatley no HD support.....

ATI Custom based RN520 core. The "N" stands for Nintendo, and is because the ArtX team is with them, that is why it’s an "N". There will be 2 GPU cores (just like the nVidia SLI motherboard with two Graphics Chips), this will use ATI's alternative, and will be the first in any console.

GPU cores at 400 MHz each, theoretical 800 MHz. Will support up to 2048x1268 resolution, but no HD support, so that resolution is null.

28 way parallel floating-point dynamically scheduled shader pipelines for each core with unified shader architecture. Thats a theoretical
56 Shader pipes if combined


Polygon Performance: 500 million triangles per second theoretical, average in game would be around <100 Million/sec>


Shader Performance: 45 billion shader operations per second



Revolution memory


512 MB of 700 MHz 1T-SRAM


Revolution will support a PPU chip (Physical Processing Chip). There will be 32 MB’s of its own RAM, which will link to the CPU and GPU and the Controller .


There will also be a separate sound card that will support only DD 5.1 – DTS 7.1, rumours has it will have 16 MB’s, like the Cube DSP

System 2

CPU:
IBM Custom PowerPC 2.5 GHz + 4 internal Power PC G5 cores running at 2.5 GHz each. Each core will have 128 KB L1 cache.
The whole CPU will share 512 of L2 cache.

Dual Threaded so there will also be two hardware threads per core, 8 hardware threads total.

15 billion dot product operations per second

Theoretical of 2.5 GHz + 10 GHz CPU speed = 12.5 GHz



Revolution GPU

2 GPU cores running at 500 MHz. Now this says there will be HD support up to the resolution as above...

Each GPU will have 256 MB of GDDR4 RAM

28 way parallel floating-point dynamically scheduled shader pipelines for each core with unified shader architecture.


Polygon Performance: 500 million triangles per second theoretical, average in game would be around <100 Million/sec>


Shader Performance: 52 billion shader operations per second



Revolution memory

512 MB of 700 MHz Updated 1T-SRAM


Revolution will support a PPU chip (Physical Processing Chip). There will be 32 MB’s of its own RAM, which will link to the CPU and GPU and the Controller .


There will also be a separate sound card that will support only DD 5.1 – DTS 7.1, rumours has it will have 16 MB’s, like the Cube DSP



So theres 2 systems. For maximum system performance, i would go with system 2, but since 4 cores are really hard to code, i would go with system 1, as thats more than powerful enough to compete with the xbox 360 or PS3, GPU wise, the CPU i think technically is a little slower than the xbox 360's CPU by 20%.

Would anybody like some popcorn to go with all that salt?

[Bill Aurion]

So who actually *wants* to play "Guess the Specs"?  It's not going to make a difference in the end... =\

[IceCold]

I thought we had already heard from Han Solo a while ago

[nickmitch]

No, see last time he was just telling to use the force.

[KDR_11k]

Han Solo doesn't believe in the force, that was Obi Wan!
Your geek certificates have been revoked!

[nickmitch]

The truth is: I was never that much of  a star wars geek to begin with!

[stevey]

didn't hon_solo get banned for the thursday-ton roumer

[Bill Aurion]

That would be Drinky Crow, famed moron of GAF...

[Truthliesn1seyes]

I don't think Han_Solo ever made mention to that Thursdayathon thing as far as  I remember.  Anyways, I'm not sure if this has been posted though.  Ran into this over at the Gamestop forums. Its all mostly BS as usual but it does provide a link to site that has a roundup of all the Rev related images that have come online. I saw mockups there that I've never even seen before.

Here's the site of the mockups
http://www.4colorrebellion.com/revo...roller-mockups/

Here's the Gamestop forum topic that talks about some "insider" that knows which of those mockups are the real deal.
http://forums.gamespot.com/gamespot...22876041&page=0

http://img75.imageshack.us/my.php?i...evoad2fp1yg.jpg
The insider claims thats the prototype Rev controller and the only difference is that the C stick has been replaced with a trackball and it has gyros.

http://img277.imageshack.us/my.php?...trlvisor4te.jpg
The "insider" also claims that to the a real pic of the visor that supposed to come with the system.

Anyways, just another typical day in a Rev forum lol