Topic: Something important to know about the Revolution

[stevey]

pleaseeee Noble~Feather tell us anything or I ... will ...  I WILL KILL A BUNNY!!!

[KDR_11k]

How about you go and make God kill kittens instead?

[SgtShiversBen]

I don't know where to put this, but I decided to make a wallpaper for the Revolution.  It's crude, but I did it while I'm here at work and didn't really have the necessary equipment.

So here it is:
Revvie Wallpaper

[stevey]

How about you go and make God kill kittens instead?

no I can't kill a kitten after http://kittenwar.com/

[nickmitch]

Nice wallpaper. The logos in the lower left corner were a really nice touch.

[stevey]

cool wallpaper.  

[Truthliesn1seyes]

Got me some fresh new info off the Han_Solo character over at the G4 forums.  Take it as you will.  At least it'll add more fuel to the fire lol.

This was from a member who received this this info from Han Solo through a PM

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Alright, all the next-gen consoles will use High-Dynamic-Range-Lighting.

It is also a CLUE to HOW the REV will RUN!

Han Solo then went and posted this

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heres your clue-extended

Clue, thats similar to revolution(link)

The URL of the link is
http://forum.e46fanatics.com/showthread.php?t=258889&highlight=half-life

I really have no idea what any of this is or means but I'm just putting it out there for debate.

[Mario]

So noble feather, which developer did you talk to, considering as of a month ago, third parties didn't have Revolution development kits? Only Nintendo knows what's going on. BUPBOW! Unless it was Retro Studios, but that's highly unlikely.

[KDR_11k]

What, the rev will use increased precision? If he really thinks that thread is about HDRI he's stupid. HDRI means increased lighting precision, what that thread demonstrates is the fake radiosity HL2 supposedly uses. I say supposedly because the last time that came up quite a few people told me they can't see any form of fake radio in HL2. Well, BattleField 2 uses it, definitely.

[vudu]

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Originally posted by: S-U-P-E-R
I used my admin x-ray powers and his IP is from a small ISP in ..... a city with a certain well-known GC developer in it.

Mario - Perhaps you should ask SUPER that question.

[Mr. Saturn]

Alright I don't know how truthful this is, but in response to what Mario wrote above, I've been thinking if a 3rd party developer wanted to couldn't they still develop a title for Revolution without a dev. kit?  After all Nintendo said the Revolution is using the same API as the Gamecube so this leads me to believe that a 3rd party developer could begin designing a title for Revolution using the Gamecube development kit and then port the coding over the Revolution when they receive the dev. kit for the Revolution?  I'm sure someone with more knowledge then me can answer these questions.

[Spak-Spang]

Mr. Saturn.  Yes developers could do that.  All the developer would need to do is have a basic idea of the power in Revolution and start basic programming using the Gamecube development kits.  In fact, Nintendo at E3 stated this was possible.  

They said development kits aren't out yet, however the API is similar enough that you can begin basic design of a game.

Of course that is paraphrasing.

[K-RPG]

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Originally posted by: Truthliesn1seyes
Got me some fresh new info off the Han_Solo character over at the G4 forums.  Take it as you will.  At least it'll add more fuel to the fire lol.

This was from a member who received this this info from Han Solo through a PM

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Alright, all the next-gen consoles will use High-Dynamic-Range-Lighting.

It is also a CLUE to HOW the REV will RUN!

Han Solo then went and posted this

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heres your clue-extended

Clue, thats similar to revolution(link)

The URL of the link is
http://forum.e46fanatics.com/showthread.php?t=258889&highlight=half-life

I really have no idea what any of this is or means but I'm just putting it out there for debate.

Look, I'm going to put this bluntly;

Han Solo is probably were Noble~Feather got this information in the first place. He was a member of the G4 boards, until he was finally -- justfully banned. He has lied to me, personally, several times -- mostly about Zelda, even using Famitsu as a fake referance -- which I probably will never forget.

If you don't believe Han Solo, don't believe Noble Feather.  

[Truthliesn1seyes]

ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, so the plot thickens lol.  I see someone seems to have managed to dig up dirt on this "noble" feather.  If this is true, it would be ironic given his name..."noble" lol.  

[K-RPG]

I was going to link to one of his posts, but the Mods removed his account due to what he changed his name to -- after he was banned.

Notice the lack of a second post on this board

[KDR_11k]

What do you expect? Information isn't going to leak, the guys who actually have it know better than to kill any chance of reemployment by posting some specs noone but their potential employers are going to believe. Hell, how likely is it that console specs leak? How many different "leaks" are we seeing for the Rev? If you ask me, they are all fake. Every single one.

[Truthliesn1seyes]

Here's another fresh rumor for you, as usual, its from an unknown source (the poster doesn't want to say).  I ran into this at the G4 forums which took it from the Gamespot forums.

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As for the controller I donā€™t think it has been finalized but I have seen and programmed for the official concept controller and used it twice. It is very similar to the ā€œnesvolutionā€ one pad for each hand with weighted gyroscopes and haptic feedback. At first glance it seems kind of weird to think about tactically using it to control certain types of games but once you pick it up its actually very simple and easy to use with any game. I know Nintendo is still working on a way to connect the two controllers at the players will, probably through a magnetic lock system. As for the Nintendo On which it WILL NOT be called once it is confirmed will present a panoramic view to represent a full field on vision as we all have in real life and will be in HD believe it or not. It will probably be confirmed when the spec for the Rev. are made public and will be launched a quarter year after Rev. launches. My only gripe is that the On system at launch will retail for the same amount as the actual Rev. system itself. It will not be a gaming machine unto itself but merely an add-on to the Rev. to allow completely immersive experiences.
Stereoscopic 3-D will also be a prevalent part of the interface but coupled with the visor and controllers will allow something NEVER seen before in gaming. The stereoscoping is still being tweaked to turn whatever room your in into a the game environment effectively rendering your room part of the game. Coupled with the visor this could turn you entire home into a nightmarish landscape. The projector alone with only be able to project a limited no. of NPCā€™s into your environment at any given time depending on the size of the NPCā€˜s. Take RE4 for example the projector could probably project about 12 ganados at any given time into your environment but only one El Gigante or boss at a time. When the visor is on though it will allow the entire game to be presented in full virtual reality with no sacrifices whatsoever, and with the environment capturing radar it could effectively turn your own home into the game environment. Imagine Resident Evil zombies busting through your doors and coming after you with their blood and body parts being rendered onto your environment in real-time as you fight them. That is an actual possibility of the On visor.
The controller will be capable of everything past controllers were but much more and the customization that you will have at your hands is unprecedented. It will feature haptic feedback illustrating through vibration whatever your on-screen character is doing or feeling this represents mood, heartbeat, nervousness, adrenaline rushes, tension, being shot or hit with something, jumping from a high place, etcā€¦ This haptic force feedback will be mapped into buttons and controller itself. Another controller feature is its ability to heat up and cool down illustrating how the environment temperature feels or it you are having to hold on to something that is hot or cold. Coupled with this is the controller will have built-in mic to talk to things or blow on things in the game to move them or cool them down. The mic will also have voice distortion features to work with the dev. Tool or chat online. The other big feature of the controller is its ability to feel depth and reach out and grab the world so to speak. For example instead of just pressing a button to open a door you would point one of the control pad towards the door twist the knob and pull the door open, or just kick it open with another movement. This depth mapping allows all sorts of actions to be preformed much more realistically and true to life for example: swinging a sword, reloading or firing a weapon, picking something up and turning it over, do melee combat with your own two handsā€¦etc.
An example I saw in action was a character was hanging from a ledge MGS style and you would literally have to squeeze the handles to keep from falling and you could also feel the haptic vibration from his heart and the coolness of the ledge. This was a tech demo showing all of the features working together. Of course all this will be left up to the developer but they promise to be extraordinary features. The projector will also have two options: Stereoscopic 3-D or flat panel projection. This allows Rev. to be a portable system as it can project the game on any wall or flat surface. The stand for Rev. will be a recharger of sorts and will have the angle required to be project Stereoscopic 3-D properly. The only reason for the rechargeable battey is for the projection otherwise when you run out of battery life you can just hook it up to a TV or computer monitor.
As to the projector if its on Stereoscopic 3-D and say someone walks into the door of the room your in nothing will happen except the picture might warp a little in that area or fade into a hallway but as soon as the door closes again it should correct itself. But if your on the road or in a car or something I donā€™t think you will be able to use the stereoscopic 3-D projection because the stand is what gives it the desired angle and I would imagine that it would make the picture or holograms skip or have weird picture flashes as the car moves up and down. You will need a steady non-moving surface for the projector to use stereoscoping properly. As to Bungie I really donā€™t know whether they are going to sign a contract with Nintendo or not but there was some loose talk from their rep. that it might be a possibility. By the way Microsoft DOES NOT flat out own Bungie, they made Bungie sign a contract to give half creative rights and royalties to Microsoft for a ā€œnumber of yearsā€, but after those years are over they can opt to make another contract with them or go somewhere else. Now I truly doubt that Halo 3 will be coming to the Rev. since Microsoft would throw a HUGE hissy fit about it but maybe Halo 4 or an original game I hope. Their rep. said that since Microsoft is forcing the development on Halo 3 to match PS3ā€™s launch. They will probably end up releasing a Halo2.5 instead of an actual sequel and that Rev. might see the fully realized Halo 3 a year or so later. But of course nothing is set in stone and it could all change so donā€™t get your hopes up too high this was just my team talking to a representative from Bungie.

To my knowledge the confirmed and unconfirmed list of games are:

-Mario Kart Revolution = Rev.
-Super Mario 128 = Rev.
- Metroid Prime: Reborn = Rev.
-The Legend of Zelda DS = DS
-The Legend of Kid Icarus = Rev.
-Xenias = Rev.
-Killing Day = Rev.
-Psychopath = Rev.
-Animal Crossing = Rev.
-The Legend of Zelda = Rev.
-Star Wars Rogue Squadron 4 (no title as of yet Q4 2006) = Rev.
-Madden 2007 = Rev., DS
-Eternal Darkness: Insanity Fulfilled = Rev.
-Resident Evil 5 (Q3 2008 ) = Rev.
-Advance Wars: Annihilation = Rev, DS
-Burnout 4 = Rev.
-Flat Out 2 = Rev.
-F.E.A.R.: Everything Objective Foretold = Rev.
-Stalker: Shadow of the Chernobyl = Rev.
-Guts Nā€™ Glory = Rev.
-Umehas Ookieyara = Rev.
-Ichi the Killer (slated for Japan possible U.S. release) = Rev.

These are the games that I know for sure are going to be released at some point on Rev. although it does not mean all of them will be exclusive to the Rev. although many of them will. Many people have thought I lied about this or that but I assure you wait until everything about Rev. and its games are made public and see if Iā€™m not right. The Rogue Squadron game Iā€™m working with now we is focusing on giving the flying combat more hi-res action and depth with great replay value, but also trying to flesh out the on-foot missions that the last game failed on. As for Retro Studios they have two teams which are working on two games right now Metroid Prime: Reborn, and Xenias. I was hoping that Xenias was going to be kept a secret but unfortunately Nintendo let that out of the bag. Needless to say it will no doubt put Rev. in the top spot next-gen. Iā€™m not going to say anything else about it though because I believe some things just shouldnā€™t be spoiled. Anyway I will keep in touch if you have any other questions please feel free to ask.

P.S. To those who wanted me to sketch out the controller I would love to but Iā€™m just not a good artist and I wouldnā€™t do it any justice. A concept of the concept photo has already been leaked somewhere it is the ā€œnesvolutionā€ one pad for each hand with weighted gyroscopes, hot and cold sensors, depth-mapping and haptic feedback. Once again that is a VERY early prototype of the finished product and Nintendo is working on a way to connect them at will with a magnetic lock if someone just doesnā€™t like using them without a two-handed base setup.

Also, a patent was posted over at Nsider.com and, from the pictures, it seems to demonstrate the experience described by this "leak".  I haven't read the patent though since they are so time consuming so I'm sure I'm wrong by the comparison.  The pictures in the patent seem to show a person sitting with 2 controllers in hand and what seams to be objects coming at him from different directions.  Hopefully someone with some time on their hands can give the patent a quick read through and see if they can come up with a general idea of what it means.  Here's the link to the patent.

http://appft1.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO2&Sect2=HITOFF&p=1&u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsearch-bool.html&r=6&f=G&l=50&co1=AND&d=PG01&s1=Nintendo.AS.&OS=AN/Nintendo&RS=AN/Nintendo  

Also, heres a link to what most are assuming is the leaked pics of the controller that this "leak" mentions.

http://img.engadget.com/common/images/1252683260425672.JPG?0.751425320732948

[Bill Aurion]

I see "Xenias" which automatically marks this rumour false...

[Truthliesn1seyes]

This is fresh off the internet.  I ran into this link over at the Gamestop forums.  Its supposed to be a scan of a japanese mag with the first pictures of the Rev controller.  Ain't sure if its real though.  Here's the link anyway.

http://www.nordichardware.com/forum/this-forum-is-lucky-vt2584.html

[BlackNMild2k1]

Well that does tie in with your last post (I only read the first few sentences as reading such a HUGE block of words makes me lose my place (where are the paragraphs and sentence breaks?))

But I really hope that the controller will just be one controller. I guess we'll know if that pic is legit (it isn't) when the magazine comes out

[MrMojoRising]

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Also, a patent was posted over at Nsider.com and, from the pictures, it seems to demonstrate the experience described by this "leak". I haven't read the patent though since they are so time consuming so I'm sure I'm wrong by the comparison. The pictures in the patent seem to show a person sitting with 2 controllers in hand and what seams to be objects coming at him from different directions. Hopefully someone with some time on their hands can give the patent a quick read through and see if they can come up with a general idea of what it means. Here's the link to the patent.

That patent is for the technology used in DK: king of swing.  It basically says that your hand holding one of the trigger buttons is the same as DK holding on to a vine or whatnot.  One night I spent a good three hours looking at patents, there are some interesting ones, there's ones on the bongos for Donky Konga and ones for the Wario Ware Twisted technology and everything...I didn't really come across anything new and interesting though.

Edit: Oh yeah, and why would there be new eternal darkness and Rouge squadren games coming out even though factor five is sony's and Silicon Knights are third party or whatever they are.

[Truthliesn1seyes]

Sorry bout the huge block of words but I just quoted it as I found it lol.  As for Factor 5, they are not Sony's they just have a contract to do 2 or 3 games for them, ain't sure on the details.  I'm sure they are still free to do other games on other systems if they so choose so.  Silicon Knights is 3rd party so it isn't out of the question but given the first one's lack of sales, I aint sure bout a sequal even though I'll love it lol.

[Pittbboi]

I just don't understand the sudden hoopla about a two-piece controller. Despite the unavoidable power and control issues, it just doesn't seem to make much sense. Seriously, a controller configuration of that nature would be a terrible strain on the hands and wrists. For a short period of time, sure it would be fun. But a controller like that would make gaming for any long period of time physically painful, and detrimental to your health in the long-term (carpal-tunnel, hello). It would kill long-term gaming (seriously, why do you think the Time Crisis games are so short? And the level of steadiness required to use a simple guncon would be nothing compared to what would be required to use the controller that some of you are proposing).

I'm sure if Nintendo really wanted to go that route, they could pull of a controller that would be decent. However, that alone would require the same amount of planning, R&D, and funding that they probably spent on the Revolution, itself. And, if they're willing to cut something as simple yet relevant as HD out of the budget, I doubt they found room for something as undoubtedly costly as this.  

[Truthliesn1seyes]

Well, I dont have links, but Nintendo has spent the most in R&D for this upcomming system as apposed to previous ones.  Controllers are always a big thing for Nintendo and I'm sure it resieves the same, or moreso R&D than the system developement itself.  Also, if Nintendo were to go with this dual controll method then I'm sure it'll be able to attach to itself to form one controller.  The rumor/ "leak" that I posted makes mention of this issue for all its worth.

The reason for HD being cut is becuase it isn't that big of an issue to them.  Its the world to Sony and MS who are trying to promote said feature (sony trying to use the ps3 as a trojen horse to push out more HD tvs and blu ray as a standard).  I'm not goin to get into the whole HD debate though as it has its own thread.  

Just ran into this on another site.  Supposed updated pics of the Rev and some more info.

http://www.computerandvideogames.com/r/?http://www.computerandvideogames.com/homepage/front_homepage.php

and gizmodo has another set of pics of the controller

http://www.gizmodo.com/gadgets/home-entertainment/nintendo/nintendo-revolution-the-controller-107485.php

[KDR_11k]

Truthl~1: You should have discarded that the very minute he mentioned Nintendo On as if it was real. NO is a known fake, anyone claiming it's afact is trying to trick you.