Author Topic: GCN2 = "Revolution" (Read 50694 times)

odifiend · « **Reply #100 on:** November 01, 2004, 03:13:35 AM »

The Revolution has been ported to PS2. >_<

KDR_11k · « **Reply #101 on:** November 01, 2004, 04:13:52 AM »

Fun fact: There are at least two games where "Xenon" is the name of a mad AI bent on destroying mankind.

Hostile Creation · « **Reply #102 on:** November 05, 2004, 06:59:10 AM »

Haha, awesome.

couchmonkey · « **Reply #103 on:** December 24, 2004, 06:30:34 AM »

I think releasing Xenon early may work out for Microsoft in North America since the Xbox's popularity seems to be snowballing here, but I'm still not sure. Microsoft has no way of guaranteeing that Xenon is the most powerful system, and although that means nothing to me, it may mean a lot to people who view Xbox as a "luxury" console with a harddrive and more power than the other two.

I assume that September is just the general date Nintendo is telling developers to shoot for. I honestly think Nintendo is serious about releasing the Revolution simultaneously with PS3, and Nintendo will probably give developers a specific date at the same time as Sony. I personally think Nintendo should aim for a worldwide, or at least North America/Japan launch, to prevent Microsoft from getting too comfortable in the west.

roxics · « **Reply #104 on:** December 26, 2004, 09:16:47 AM »

Personally I'm not interested in a revolution from Nintendo. At least the way most of us think of it. All I want from them is a system where I can play Mario, Zelda, and GTA. Something where I can walk into a video store and see two full walls covered in games for a Nintendo system. Anything from kids games to games for adults without them all being family oriented. Right now Nintendo is like the Disney of video games. What they need to do is what Disney did and add a Miramax-like division that concentrates on more adult/radical kind of games.

I also want to see backward compatibility with gamecube titles while still allowing for full sized DVD disc's for new titles.

I think a couple of smart moves for Nintendo would be to drop any cost to a developer to make games for their new system. Then to also have a print on demand DVD service where small indie game developers can make games for the system, send them to Nintendo and have Nintendo put them on their website. When someone comes to the website they browse through the game titles and find a title they like from an indie developer. So they buy it right there. Nintendo then burns a disc and ships it off. Very similar to cafepress.com's CD service. This would save small developers from having to press their own DVD's, distribute them to stores and market them. It would also open up Nintendo to a whole bunch of new and original games from previously unknown developers. Games you won't find on any other system. That would build loyalty with those small developers who could end up having the next big hit everyone wants to play.
The website would also keep track of which titles sold more and if a certian title sold a certain amount on the site, Nintendo could then take it and do a wide distribution to stores. A sort of greatest hits type thing.

In my opinion that would be more of a revolution then just redesigning the controller or adding a hard drive or something.

norebonomis · « **Reply #105 on:** January 02, 2005, 09:30:57 PM »

skip all that cd burning crap. if the revolution has a decent sized hard disk, you could just download games. the revolution might then be able to play games from every generation of nintendo consoles.

i do agree nintendo should do something and support indie developers. if CNN is right and the video game industry is now making more than the film industry, they could surely afford to let indie devolpers get there hands on some sdk packages

Dirk Temporo · « **Reply #106 on:** January 07, 2005, 11:22:54 AM »

I heard on another forum that Nintendo has obtained patent rights for a "game system with Tivo-like abilities" from the patent office in Japan. I don't believe that Nintendo would employ such a device, simply because they have always been about gaming, and nothing more, no extra crap like the X-Box. I don't doubt the patent however, since about half of the patents/copyrights never get used anyway. Can anyone confirm or denounce this patent rumor?

Savior · « **Reply #107 on:** January 07, 2005, 04:32:23 PM »

Blue Ray or HD DVD? Seems like EA is picking Blue Ray. Nintendo would be wise and do the same

BlkPaladin · « **Reply #108 on:** January 07, 2005, 07:58:34 PM »

The only problem with Nintendo going Blue Ray is that Nintendo will be basically paying sony a part of the profits with each game they sell with for the Revolution. (Sony is one of the panent holders and co-creators of the medium, so they will be paid a royalty fee for each disc.)

SgtShiversBen · « **Reply #109 on:** January 07, 2005, 08:12:39 PM »

But also, if they partner with Panasonic again, then they're a patent holder too. So they wouldn't have to pay Sony, just Panasonic. I think they'll use the Blue Ray. Might as well, help them in getting the same games as the PlayStation. One for it being in Japan and getting all their wacky games, and two, same format doesn't hurt. Look at the PS2 and Xbox for your proof.

JonTD · « **Reply #110 on:** January 08, 2005, 01:09:15 AM »

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Originally posted by: SgtShiversBen
But also, if they partner with Panasonic again, then they're a patent holder too. So they wouldn't have to pay Sony, just Panasonic. I think they'll use the Blue Ray. Might as well, help them in getting the same games as the PlayStation. One for it being in Japan and getting all their wacky games, and two, same format doesn't hurt. Look at the PS2 and Xbox for your proof.

Unfortunately, it doesn't work that way. Because Panasonic is a patent holder does not mean they have free reign to the technology, and if Nintendo were to go with Blu Ray their hand would be forced--a portion of the royalties will be distributed to all patent holders, including Sony.

But really, the disk format really won't help them get more games ported from the Sony camp. The two still will not be code compatible as far as making one game run on the other, and burning the disks isn't really cost or labor intensive in any real way. What matters is disk capacity.

Dirk Temporo · « **Reply #111 on:** January 08, 2005, 05:26:03 PM »

Nobody noticed my question... >.<

Savior · « **Reply #112 on:** January 08, 2005, 05:59:49 PM »

I havent heard about Tivo Revolution Dirk.... it doesnt sound like something Nintendo would do.

We will be lucky to get DVD Playback in it... Though Blue Ray Playback might be real smart...

Maybe they should let Panasonic make them... I dont know...

Dirk Temporo · « **Reply #113 on:** January 09, 2005, 12:30:31 PM »

Then it's not just me. Good. I didn't think they'd do something like that. I searched all over for it and couldn't find anything. Time to throw it in that guy's face.

BiLdItUp1 · « **Reply #114 on:** January 09, 2005, 02:02:16 PM »

The thing with Blu-Ray is that as its blue laser, it'll prob be more expensive to produce than HD-DVD, which most bigshot Hollywood studios outside of Sony and I think 20th Century Fox are supporting (maybe Disney also). Nintendo is big on cost, and if it turns out HD-DVD is indeed cheaper, then I could see them going that way. The difference in space I don't think is that much, but I'm not an expert. If they're still partners with Panasonic though, then I could just as soon see them joining BluRay.
The point about giving Sony royalties is almost moot though - unless they're a bunch of stubborn pigheads, they have to be willing to shell out the dough. The problem with all of these superconglomerate companies is that many of them end up on the same side in some businesses and competitors in others. Microsoft, for example is indirectly siding with Nintendo in the handheld wars. They are considering a partnership with Sony in the DAP business, even as they compete against them in the video game one.

Shift Key · « **Reply #115 on:** January 09, 2005, 03:57:17 PM »

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All I want from them is a system where I can play Mario, Zelda, and GTA

Blol. Rockstar, the biggest Sony lapdog in the history of ever, making games for a Nintendo system. Not likely.

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Blue Ray or HD DVD? Seems like EA is picking Blue Ray.

What? Sony is using the Blu Ray discs, and Microsoft is using HD-DVD as far as I know. How does EA get a say in the matter?

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The thing with Blu-Ray is that as its blue laser, it'll prob be more expensive to produce than HD-DVD, which most bigshot Hollywood studios outside of Sony and I think 20th Century Fox are supporting (maybe Disney also). Nintendo is big on cost, and if it turns out HD-DVD is indeed cheaper, then I could see them going that way. The difference in space I don't think is that much, but I'm not an expert. If they're still partners with Panasonic though, then I could just as soon see them joining BluRay.

The blue laser is the laser that reads the disc. It has nothing to do with the disc itself. The blue light has a smaller wavelength and so more data can be squeezed onto the same area of the disc.

Capacity of a single-layer Blu-Ray disc: 23 GB to 27GB
Capacity of a single-layer HD-DVD disc: 15GB

The cost difference would be minimal, if there is a difference at all, and cost for each disc will gradually reduce over time as the technology becomes more widespread.

And I can already hear the "Aw noes, they chose the smaller media, Nintendo are gonna fail again!" arguments if they choose HD-DVD.

Noble~Feather · « **Reply #116 on:** January 09, 2005, 04:19:11 PM »

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Originally posted by: Shift Key
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All I want from them is a system where I can play Mario, Zelda, and GTA

Blol. Rockstar, the biggest Sony lapdog in the history of ever, making games for a Nintendo system. Not likely.

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Blue Ray or HD DVD? Seems like EA is picking Blue Ray.

What? Sony is using the Blu Ray discs, and Microsoft is using HD-DVD as far as I know. How does EA get a say in the matter?

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The thing with Blu-Ray is that as its blue laser, it'll prob be more expensive to produce than HD-DVD, which most bigshot Hollywood studios outside of Sony and I think 20th Century Fox are supporting (maybe Disney also). Nintendo is big on cost, and if it turns out HD-DVD is indeed cheaper, then I could see them going that way. The difference in space I don't think is that much, but I'm not an expert. If they're still partners with Panasonic though, then I could just as soon see them joining BluRay.

The blue laser is the laser that reads the disc. It has nothing to do with the disc itself. The blue light has a smaller wavelength and so more data can be squeezed onto the same area of the disc.

Capacity of a single-layer Blu-Ray disc: 23 GB to 27GB
Capacity of a single-layer HD-DVD disc: 15GB

The cost difference would be minimal, if there is a difference at all, and cost for each disc will gradually reduce over time as the technology becomes more widespread.

And I can already hear the "Aw noes, they chose the smaller media, Nintendo are gonna fail again!" arguments if they choose HD-DVD.

Revolution isn't using the smaller media format. Trust me.

Shift Key · « **Reply #117 on:** January 10, 2005, 02:32:30 AM »

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Revolution isn't using the smaller media format. Trust me.

Stop talking garbage or back up your so-called "insider" information.

Noble~Feather · « **Reply #118 on:** January 10, 2005, 05:31:24 AM »

Alright.

Just remember my words until E3.

KDR_11k · « **Reply #119 on:** January 10, 2005, 07:33:19 AM »

Shift Key: Try to back up NDA-breaches without getting sued. People who leak information can never back it up, often post as ACs on Slashdot and it's generally impossible to tell truth from lies with leaks unless you happen to know a fact or two yourself.

BTW, there is a system that can play Mario, Zelda and GTA. It's called the Game Boy Advance.

nemo_83 · « **Reply #120 on:** January 11, 2005, 09:39:22 PM »

I think I remember seeing some of those diagrams for the tivo patent. If the Revolution is a VR helmet then why wouldn't they take the opportunity to use tivo and dvd playback to push unit sales. They could revolutionize tv and movies as well as videogames because no matter what you are viewing with it the device could be used to simulate an imax theatre experience with its gyro sensors and 3D screen technology at a standard resolution. I point to the DS and VB as evidence of their ambitions.

odifiend · « **Reply #121 on:** January 12, 2005, 03:20:21 AM »

I don't think it is a VR helmet - mostly because
1) nobody wants to don a VR helmet
2) Everybody has heads of different sizes ruling out Everyone
3) It is more complicated than a control to operate because you'd still need a controller
4) nobody wants to don a VR helmet

SgtShiversBen · « **Reply #122 on:** January 12, 2005, 05:00:36 AM »

ShiftKey, EA have sided with the Blue Ray technology. So did Vivendi. Game publishers for some reason think they have a say in what form of technology we're going to use. It's like celebrities and presidential elections.

The Omen · « **Reply #123 on:** January 12, 2005, 04:48:25 PM »

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Right now Nintendo is like the Disney of video games. What they need to do is what Disney did and add a Miramax-like division that concentrates on more adult/radical kind of games.

I've been saying that forever. Good to see somebody with sense.

I think Nintendo will go Blue Ray. I don't think they intend on giving Sony an advantage, even if it's just a perceived advantage .

Avinash_Tyagi · « **Reply #124 on:** January 13, 2005, 12:07:28 PM »

Why won't nintendo just go with their own format?

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