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« Reply #50 on: July 15, 2004, 10:47:59 AM »
I heard that PSO 1&2 plus includes NiGHTs as an unlockable GBA game...

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« Reply #51 on: July 15, 2004, 12:07:00 PM »
Yeah, but it's the same one you could get if you played the game online...
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« Reply #52 on: July 15, 2004, 05:23:44 PM »
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I just like the idea of porting rare games to the Revolution. Pad lulls in the post-launch period with re-releases of NiGHTS, Dragon Force, Panzer Dragoon Saga, Ogre Battle, Dragon Warrior IV, Sonic CD; stuff not released in North America like Dragon Warrior V and VI, Final Fantasy III, and the entire Fire Emblem series; and perfect arcade comps of titles like X-Men or The Simpsons that never got a decent home release. Third parties would go for it because the effort involved in re-releases is small and gamers wouldn't mind because unlike most GBA ports these are ports of obscure titles that haven't been played by everyone to death. Obviously you don't want the Rev to be a port machine but this would be a good way to fill the release schedule between major new releases and hardcore gaming nuts would be all over it.


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« Reply #53 on: July 15, 2004, 05:37:37 PM »
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I heard that PSO 1&2 plus includes NiGHTs as an unlockable GBA game...


Yeah, but it wasn't the original Saturn NiGHTS....

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« Reply #54 on: July 15, 2004, 11:27:31 PM »
My friend and I were talking about what the Revolution could possibly do to make it so different than any of the other systems. And then it hit me! When you buy a Nintendo Revolution  Mr. Miyamoto himself comes to your house, does your laudry, washes your car, cooks you dinner, and then reads you a bedtime story!! Its so obvious! Why couldnt I have seen it before?
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« Reply #55 on: July 16, 2004, 01:43:11 AM »
More like Shiggy has better things to do than read brats stories.

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« Reply #56 on: July 16, 2004, 10:56:39 PM »
that mockup looks cool...retro yet new..Nintendo can really cash in on their retroness
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« Reply #57 on: July 18, 2004, 10:39:04 AM »
That mock-up was some DVD player with a Nintendo logo pasted on it.

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« Reply #58 on: July 18, 2004, 03:54:04 PM »
it does have an nes look to it though
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« Reply #59 on: July 18, 2004, 08:59:07 PM »
A lot of you are forgetting something.  Most of the games listed are games that mostly appeal to hardcore gamers like us.  Plus many of them are old games.  Do you really think the casual/mainstream gamer care/gonna care about these games?  I think not.

How many mainstream gamers have heard of Radiant Silvergun?  My point exactly.

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« Reply #60 on: July 19, 2004, 07:28:03 AM »
"A lot of you are forgetting something. Most of the games listed are games that mostly appeal to hardcore gamers like us. Plus many of them are old games. Do you really think the casual/mainstream gamer care/gonna care about these games? I think not.

How many mainstream gamers have heard of Radiant Silvergun? My point exactly."

I don't care.  I want Nintendo to target the more hardcore crowd.  Right now they're not really targeting anybody as they lack enough options and variety to truly attract the hardcore yet are still too hardcore to attract the casual crowd.  I figure that since the hardcore is really all they would be able to succesfully target they might as well focus on it.  Plus if the hardcore gamers like it it's going to create some decent word of mouth.  Every game forum will be talking highly about it and the media will have a harder time bashing it.

Besides casual fans are NOT going to buy the Revolution at launch no matter what.  It just isn't going to happen.  So something that attracts the hardcore nuts who are not die hard Nintendo fans is an effective launch title.  If hardcore gamers and Nintendo gamers were united on one console we would get all of the quirky innovative third party titles.  It's also a good way to expand the userbase under the competition's nose in a way they would have a hard time countering.

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« Reply #61 on: July 20, 2004, 07:49:06 AM »
Hey guys, a little more news on what to expect with the N5 - Nintendo signed a very large contract with a company called Gyration... guess what they make? This may be their new way of gaming. Here's an article on it... but the one I read on IGN has seemed to vanish.

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« Reply #62 on: July 21, 2004, 07:42:53 AM »
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« Reply #63 on: July 22, 2004, 07:45:36 AM »
I still want online.

That article is cool and I think that can get a lot of casual gamers in.  Its like when you see casual gamers in an arcade most of them will be into something other than a joystick and buttons.  DDR is good example because well when it came it was different.  The Gyration I hope is something they will use and get people to play.
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« Reply #64 on: July 22, 2004, 04:57:56 PM »
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I don't care.  I want Nintendo to target the more hardcore crowd.

See?  You are looking at this from your point of view.  You said you "don't care."  Because you are a hardcore gamer, you want these games.  But I'm looking at it from a company's perspective (in this case, Nintendo).

There is no way Nintendo will target just the hardcore crowd.  How big is it, compared to the maintream crowd?  Remember Reggie's words: "We are not going to run our company just for hardcore gamers."

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« Reply #65 on: July 22, 2004, 08:18:01 PM »
"See? You are looking at this from your point of view. You said you 'don't care.' Because you are a hardcore gamer, you want these games. But I'm looking at it from a company's perspective (in this case, Nintendo)."

Yeah but Nintendo absolutely lacks the ability to target the mainstream casual crowd.  They have to carve a niche.  They do seem to think that's a good strategy by attracting "new types of gamers".  I just hope that this attempt to carve a niche doesn't exclude us hardcore fans.

Realistically though I only really care if Nintendo pleases me.  The reason I want them to be successful is because that will attract more third parties and if they're number one they'll have more influence on the industry and thus more games that I like will be made.

"How big is it, compared to the maintream crowd?"

Well it's bigger than the current Cube userbase that's for sure.  Realistically virtually all Cube owners would fit in to that target market plus the few Xbox owners who buy Sega's games and the huge chunk of PS2 owners the own it for the RPGs and some of the more quirky titles.  The hardcore crowd is not big enough to become number one by targeting it but it is big enough to remain a strong presence in the industry.  Plus MS and Sony aren't really focusing on that group.

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« Reply #66 on: July 23, 2004, 03:11:32 AM »
Ian's right. Gaming is bigger than Hollywood now, and the business is getting risky. The industry is financially inflated and simply lacks the quality to continue at this rate. In an event of a crash, the hardcore gamers will persevere. The casual gamers will bugger off. Which boat would you want to get stuck with? No one will be playing Def Jam Vendetta in 5 years, but I know I'll still be playing the Legend of Zelda.

Besides, Nintendo just make good quality products, and that's about it. Their marketing is some of the worst I've ever seen; I'd actually say it detracts from the volume of games bought at times. If Nintendo just focus on doingsomething they could actually achieve, then they might get somewhere.  

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« Reply #67 on: July 26, 2004, 04:08:14 AM »
I'm just simply curious by what you meant on that last sentence Caillan. Not sure I entirely understood it.

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« Reply #68 on: July 28, 2004, 02:46:00 PM »
since my topic was locked...

They aren't talking about the "Nintendo Evolution" or the "Nintendo Solution". Nintendo is talking REVOLUTION. That's a mighty word to cross anyone's lips, let alone their eyes, hands and ears. Sony is good at evolution. They are even good at providing solutions. Hell, the PSP has a nice feature list, but check my signature for how I feel about feature lists. I wouldn't buy Sony calling their next system a "revolution". It may take "God" to turn a single-celled organism into a multi-celled organism, but some would say that's just EVOLUTION, not revolution. BUT, everyone buys Nintendo's revolutionary posturing for their next-gen console. Why? Look at the Gamecube controller, look at the Nintendo DS, look at Nintendo's long history of originality in game design.

Nintendo THINKS OUTSIDE OF THE BOX. Let's extend this analogy forward with a quote from an address I'm writing:

"Is everyone (in the game development community) wearing their think-caps today? I hope you were able to get your think-caps OUT OF THE BOX, instead of getting INTO THE BOX with your think-caps! Did you bring your own, or are you borrowing someone else's?"

You have to spend a lot of time in the box before you really are ready to step outside of it as a game developer. Nintendo has one foot in and one foot out. They can step all the way in or all the way out anytime they feel like it. They never feel the need to steal anyone's ideas. They never settle for conformity.

I for one am very eager to know first-hand what it's like to be a part of Nintendo's Revolution.  
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« Reply #69 on: July 28, 2004, 02:47:07 PM »
We focus on graphics, we focus on controllers. Well let's focus our ears because we've forgot to focus on what we HEAR!

How about this for a Revolution:

1. Full hardware support for the latest of Dolby sound.

2. Headset jacks on each controller, because the Revolution has FOUR secondary sound processors to provide additional kick-ass sound for four players.

3. A unique headset made for the Revolution providing 360 degree spherical sound (as well as a microphone). This means if you turn your head left, it is possible that the sound that was in front of you is now in your right ear.

4. Built-in voice recognition and voice simulation hardware. Wouldn't you like it if your character sounded just like you now? Shiggy can now give a voice to Link, YOUR VOICE!.

5. The system itself provides wireless sound to your speakers AND to your headsets! It even allows you to add an additional TWO satellite speakers to your existing surround sound setup.

6. The system itself has speakers built into it so that you can use it as a couple channels!

7. The Revolution's controller has speakers built into it. I mean good quality speakers, so that special effects (like gun fire and light saber sounds) can be emulated well. Imagine holding a dying soldier in your hands and when he talks, his voice comes out of your controller!

8. The hardware specializes in the manipulation of sound just as much as pixel shaders in the XBOX. How about "sound shaders"? Make it easy to emulate the sound of a gun fired underwater into a cave bouncing off of a metal helmet and landing in the dust, and easy to emulate the ricochet effect in your home with the wireless speakers!

9. The Nintendo Revolution can "hear" with a microphone built right into the system that can tell which direction a sound is coming from. It can also detect where the wireless controllers are in the room and even which way your head is facing when you have the headset on. Using these features, a character in your game could actually look right at you no matter where you sit, and know someone else is in the room and look at them too if they make a sound.

I'm sure I could keep going with this into the realm of virtual implausibility, but I'd like to hear from other gamers and developers. Please respond!
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« Reply #70 on: July 28, 2004, 05:48:51 PM »
Oooh, I just have to say something...

Headsets with "surround sound" aren't a revolutionary concept. ITS BACK TO THE FUTURE!

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3. A unique headset made for the Revolution providing 360 degree spherical sound (as well as a microphone). This means if you turn your head left, it is possible that the sound that was in front of you is now in your right ear.
No, that's not a great idea. I'd much rather explore the world with controller, because turning my head to the left or right means I can't see the screen anymore.

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Shiggy can now give a voice to Link, YOUR VOICE!.
Ugh. Just Ugh. Why would I want to hear anyone's voice attached to Link, let alone my own?

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Headset jacks on each controller, because the Revolution has FOUR secondary sound processors to provide additional kick-ass sound for four players.
Sound doesn't require a large amount of processing, and plugging a headset into a controller (which will likely be wireless) seems redundant.

And speakers everywhere? No thanks. Apart from pushing the price of the system upwards, it would be a waste or hardware - probably get drowned out by the TV speakers mostly. I realise that its a big step to assume TVs will support the Revolution, but I don't plan on using it on my PC monitor.

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8. The hardware specializes in the manipulation of sound just as much as pixel shaders in the XBOX. How about "sound shaders"? Make it easy to emulate the sound of a gun fired underwater into a cave bouncing off of a metal helmet and landing in the dust, and easy to emulate the ricochet effect in your home with the wireless speakers!
The hardware wouldn't need to do this - a developer can do something like this right now, because all current systems support some form of Dolby out of the box (with the right sound setup of course).

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It can also detect where the wireless controllers are in the room and even which way your head is facing when you have the headset on.
Theoretically this could work, but it would be a nightmare to implement. You'd need three separate signals to locate a person (check out GPS technology if you don't believe me) and again, it would probably be a waste of hardware.

I'm actually quite scared of what the Revolution could be now that you throw all these crazy ideas out - but you're not making it.

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« Reply #71 on: July 30, 2004, 05:27:27 PM »
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I realise that its a big step to assume TVs will support the Revolution, but I don't plan on using it on my PC monitor.

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« Reply #72 on: August 01, 2004, 04:54:31 AM »
Does any1 know if Rare will be with Nintendo during there Revolution project and make games for them?

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« Reply #73 on: August 01, 2004, 05:44:30 AM »
^ Um...yes and no.  Rare is owned by Microsoft and MS invested way too much money in them to let them go that soon.
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« Reply #74 on: August 01, 2004, 06:05:01 PM »
Blol. To quote a classic Aussie movie: "Tell 'im he's dreaming."