Author Topic: GCN2 = "Revolution" (Read 48225 times)

nemo_83 · « **Reply #75 on:** August 19, 2004, 12:16:26 PM »

The IGN article talks about a bunch of cool ideas. I hadn't thought about changing the camera to infra red. I have been thinking the best way to do VR economically is with three wireless cameras that measure the movement of reflectors on the "handles." If one camera with infra red abilities can see depth then I guess that is the better way to go. Of course I still don't know how you can do multiplayer with one built in camera and why they would aslo use gyration technology in conjunction with a camera.

I figured it would be one or the other. Not both. I assume the camera will be able to film in a variety of modes.

We still need all of the regular controller functions and keys on the handles. I'm talking two analog sticks, two sets of face buttons (no more need for a dpad), triggers, shoulder buttons and one new button I think would help out alot. I think a mouse wheel could be placed beyond the trigger on each side. That would mean the wheel wouldn't be below or above the trigger but just beyond it so you only have to outstretch your finger to hit it and scroll through weapons and visors.

Nintendo is trying to make gaming itself fun again. The question is are they trying to keep game design from getting in the way of gameplay or are they trying to keep gameplay from getting in the way of game design. I like to think that in a game the two can coexist equally.

I had an idea myself for the Revolution that made much of it possible but also quite cheap. Without any camera at all one could use two wireless mouse/controllers with all of the functions I listed above for the handles. The mouses could be set up with two or three lasers each. This would give them more functionality because you would be able to spin the mouse and your sword on screen would tilt.

If Nintendo does use the handle idea then what will MS and Sony do with their systems. I think MS and Sony will spread themselves to thinly giving thier consoles a lack of focus. The PS3 could end up with a camera, tivo, dvd, cd, mp3, and game playing abilities. There wouldn't be much room in the price for Sony to compete with Nintendo's revolutionary controllers using gyration technology. MS will probably use cameras and dual flight sticks. But Nintendo could have a technological advantage. Sony is so focused on having graphics that are realistic that they have forgotten about realistic gameplay. With VR type controls we won't have to be reduced to scavenger hunt games anymore because just controlling a platformer will be fun again.

nemo_83 · « **Reply #76 on:** August 19, 2004, 12:29:21 PM »

I totally forgot about the microphone technology. Doesn't the DS have a mic? I can definetly see nearly every game using mics in the future. The mic can take what you say and change it to the character's voice. It would make communicating in games a real time thing. We wouldn't need cutscenes to progress the story of the game because we would be able to move the story along ourselves.

Sega has been working on technology to translate the tone of your voice into facial expressions on the character's face. I wonder if Nintendo is planning on using the DS for all microphone, camera, and touch screen control on the revolution.

odifiend · « **Reply #77 on:** August 19, 2004, 12:56:54 PM »

Sorry, nemo, but I don't think your ideas will be happening. I am a gaming veteran and the mention of mouse balls next to triggers is even making me shudder. Nintendo is stressing making games fun by making them simpler and to an extent I agree. I made it to college and a friend of mine came over to play Smash Bros. He has almost no experience with console gaming and still has not mastered the controls of SSBM. It is hard enough explaining that you have to hit up and b at the same time (and him succeeding) but to have to say tilt the controller while rolling the mouse ball clockwise and tapping b, would be ridiculous. I want Nintendo to make sure that its next controller has enough buttons to accept ports from other systems and give me the comfort that the GCN controller gives me. That is all that is needed.
As for Nintendo's investment in Gyration, I'm guessing it will be an add on to an existing console. I doubt they would incorporate the technology in each controller. (They better not anyway, first party controllers are already expensive.)

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Originally posted by: nemo_83
I totally forgot about the microphone technology. Doesn't the DS have a mic? I can definetly see nearly every game using mics in the future. The mic can take what you say and change it to the character's voice. It would make communicating in games a real time thing. We wouldn't need cutscenes to progress the story of the game because we would be able to move the story along ourselves.

I just don't agree. The only thing mics are good for are for communicating with real people. Games like 'Hey you, Pikachu' just aren't fun. Life Line by Konami, came out and while my PS2 owning friends hyped it, they nor anyone else really mentions it. I'm guessing it wasn't that great because there is only so much you can do talking to a computer. The programmers can't program every possible phrase or dialect (or pronunciation for that matter) into the game. Add the fact that a successful game would need to be translated into many different languages and you have a nightmare and likely an astounding debt. Nintendo already doesn't put non universal voice acting into games because of localization, there is no way that waste their money for us to put our voices in.

nemo_83 · « **Reply #78 on:** August 19, 2004, 01:51:19 PM »

The point of using one of these new technologies such as the multiple mouse ball controller, dual flight stick, camera, and/or free moving gyration is to simplify gaming. With any of these technologies one nolonger has to worry about having to use all the buttons, dpad, and joysticks to play a game. Many games would nolonger require nothing more than an analog stick and a jump button because the camera work would be controlled by your arm instead of your thumb.

You will now be able to aim with both hands independtly or together (one hand controlling camera view while another controls aiming).

For example you would be able to move Samus forward/back and strafe left/right with one joystick while you control the camera with your left hand. You would aim with your right hand. You could aim, look, and move all at once. Then you use the face buttons for other functions like jumping, missles, ball, etc. The right trigger would be used for firing and the mouse wheels used for switching weapons or visors. The left trigger would be used for the grappling beam. When you activate the grappling beam your aiming becomes soley controlled by your right arm (you could just use the right arm the whole time for camera and aiming but when they are seperated it gives you two cross hairs like a riffle to line up creating a much better aiming system than just the right arm alone). I would make the grappling beam attach to any object/ledge/enemy so it is something that can be used all of the time. You could throw something at an enemy with it or throw an enemy. You could use it to grab powerups instead of using the arm cannon's charge to pull in powerups. Of course if you hold the left trigger with the double click (just like you can charge your arm cannon) the grappling beam will take you to object you have grabbed granted the object will hold your outrageous weight.

Also don't forget that I mentioned taking the dpad away for good and replacing it with another set of face buttons. With this setup you would still have four face buttons free and an analog stick to do whatever you wanted. For example both analog sticks could control the movement of Samus just the same so you could switch sides easily to access the second set of face buttons without loosing any functions at all. Both sides for example could have a jump button, but one side has functions like; punch, kick, and flip. The other side could have jump, map, ball, and missles.

nemo_83 · « **Reply #79 on:** August 19, 2004, 04:05:49 PM »

The advertising campaign should feature humor similar to that found on adult swim on Cartoon Network. For example having people in Nintendo character suits like Disney world, but have them running down the street running over people screaming viva la revolution coupled with a moment of silly silence afterwards before plugging the product.

A snazy catch fraise is needed. Join the Revolution. Viva la Revolution. Its a Revolution. Are you N the Revolution? Get N the Revolution. The Revolution is here. The Revolution is coming. Revolt, the Revolution is here.

odifiend · « **Reply #80 on:** August 19, 2004, 07:22:31 PM »

Personally, I think Nintendo needs to back off from humor in their commercials. They just tend not to be funny. Their only good suit commercial was Super smash brothers. Every other attempt (metroid really sticks out in my mind) has looked unnecessarily cheasy (have you seen the graphics in metroid prime? why they would opt for that...). I think the Game boy commercials are what Nintendo needs to aim for with the Revolution. IMO, Nintendo should have substituted a person playing gamecube in for the guy playing gameboy as most of the images coming from it look to be running on GCN hardware. The gameboy sells like a monster and has always done so. I think it needs a start up campaign to let you know the new one is out, then let it be.
Basically I'm saying that if Nintendo gets its priorities straight (its console needs more help) it will be fine. Nemo, I like Viva la Revolution and the Revolution is here is good, too, esp. if done in that gameboy whisper.

Zach · « **Reply #81 on:** August 21, 2004, 05:51:56 PM »

Some of nintendos more recent attempts at humor are good (or ok) I remember a commercial I liked for Mario Kart: Double Dash, in which people in those golf carts at the airport were throwing suitcases at eachother.

Bill Aurion · « **Reply #82 on:** August 21, 2004, 06:12:01 PM »

"Personally, I think Nintendo needs to back off from humor in their commercials. They just tend not to be funny."

I completely disagree with you...ALL Nintendo commercials starring the costumes are rad...Particularly the Yoshi's Island GBA and Mario Party ones...

odifiend · « **Reply #83 on:** August 21, 2004, 06:51:13 PM »

Bill, define rad.
I did talk about costumed commercials generally being lame, but why did you choose to quote my sentences pertaining to humor. Metroid, the commercials I did mention, were costumed and completely non-humorous.

nemo_83 · « **Reply #84 on:** August 23, 2004, 11:58:21 AM »

Actually I was suggesting that Nintendo put some humor into their commercials. I never said I thought Nintendo is any good at doing humor. The original SSB commercial and the Who are you Mario 3 commercial have been the only decent advertising to come from Nintendo in a long time. Sony has an advantage in that they have a crackpot group of marketers that generally make entertaining commercials (except the recent Sly 2 ad). Nintendo sometimes strikes me as having tunnel vision when it comes to making games; they just seem blind to cool factor and marketabilty.

Nintendo still can't figure out that they must sell a lifestyle with their product. There is rarely any personality in their commercials. Usually the ads fail because they are so serious and full of themselves that there is no experiencial or emotional association made with the product or its ad. Lightheartedness is the way to make people laugh. When you can laugh at yourself people will laugh with you. When someone produces something that is overly serious the seriousness flies out the window and it is only asking to be made fun of or even worse ignored. Harely Davidson for example saw its brand take off when the whole biker outlaw image came about.

Bill Aurion · « **Reply #85 on:** August 23, 2004, 12:06:15 PM »

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Bill, define rad.
I did talk about costumed commercials generally being lame, but why did you choose to quote my sentences pertaining to humor. Metroid, the commercials I did mention, were costumed and completely non-humorous.

I was actually just thinking of the ones involving the goofy Mario costumes...Rad = short form of "radical" = departure from the norm(in a good way)...What I love about Nintendo's commercials is that they are just that bizarre and humorous that they stick in your mind, which is what a commercial should do...

KnowsNothing · « **Reply #86 on:** August 25, 2004, 03:19:31 AM »

Exactly. Although I see many more adverts for sony or microsoft, the only commercials I actually remember are Ninendo's.

Oh hay, that Mario Kart: Double Dash one was hilarious. As was that Super Mario Sunshine "Clean is good" costumed commercial, except I seem to be the only person in the world who likes it. So eat my posts with lots of salt.

odifiend · « **Reply #87 on:** August 25, 2004, 04:37:10 AM »

"Exactly. Although I see many more adverts for sony or microsoft, the only commercials I actually remember are Ninendo's."
I think that may have to do with the fact that you're a Nintendo fan...not that there's anything wrong with that

. Do you remember the cube launch commercials? If you do bravo, because they were VERY forgettable.
"What I love about Nintendo's commercials is that they are just that bizarre and humorous that they stick in your mind, which is what a commercial should do..."
The good ones do...

Bill Aurion · « **Reply #88 on:** August 25, 2004, 06:35:59 AM »

And they've all pretty much been reallly good...The only commercials that Ninty has had that I didn't really like were the ones involving games in the cubes(because they were boring :\)...Since then it's just been pure, fun humor...

nemo_83 · « **Reply #89 on:** August 27, 2004, 04:39:47 PM »

I have to hand it to Nintendo. The new Pikmin 2 comercial is exactly what I was wanting them to do. I mean exactly. They have a bunch of dwarves in pikmin suits running through the streets of a city repeatedly saying the same thing. They get a hot dog and take it back to thier master who says "I wanted mustard," and his friend then adds, "Make that two." Me and my roomates thought it was hillarious.

Shift Key · « **Reply #90 on:** August 29, 2004, 10:20:04 PM »

No need to tell us your life story, because ITS ALL OVER THE INTERNET DOOD!

Mario · « **Reply #91 on:** October 22, 2004, 08:56:33 PM »

IGN say the release date given to delevelopers for the Nintendo Revolution is September 2006

odifiend · « **Reply #92 on:** October 22, 2004, 09:25:25 PM »

Only 23 Months! I was going to say something else but it has probably been addressed in this thread already.

KDR_11k · « **Reply #93 on:** October 22, 2004, 10:43:57 PM »

Plenty of time to make games.

Ian Sane · « **Reply #94 on:** October 22, 2004, 10:50:57 PM »

September 2006 doesn't give much flexibility for launch delays. They miss that date they're screwed unless Sony does the same thing.

September is a great time to launch though. Once we're done with the launch titles the Christmas titles should ("should" and not "will" being the key word) be ready which gives us something else to play and will make it easier to avoid a huge release drought like last time. Plus it gives them more time to manufacture more units for Christmas.

KDR_11k · « **Reply #95 on:** October 23, 2004, 05:30:33 AM »

They promised to do everything to deliver the Rev on time.

NINJA-1 · « **Reply #96 on:** October 30, 2004, 04:13:37 AM »

What Nintendo needs to do is try to speeds things up, and be the first game company to release their console first., but if anyone knows Nintendo history with releasing consoles knows it won't happen.

Bill Aurion · « **Reply #97 on:** October 30, 2004, 04:56:30 AM »

Yeah, just like Sega did with the Dreamcast! Oh wai...

Shorty McNostril · « **Reply #98 on:** October 31, 2004, 09:18:00 PM »

Isn't X-box 2 getting released something like a year before the other two??

nemo_83 · « **Reply #99 on:** October 31, 2004, 09:26:44 PM »

MS is calling it Xenon. The word is that they want to release it next year, but that could leave some real holes in the launch lineup. Perhaps there should be a sticky on the Xenon.

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