Author Topic: Eternal Darkness 2 Marketing Tactic: Reasons (Read 55233 times)

almondblight · « **Reply #125 on:** April 20, 2004, 06:44:44 PM »

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Perhaps SK was the one who released it as a press release at 3:33. That would explain why two sites would have it at the same time. Maybe it's just a last farewell to the series they created. If this news is true, and Eternal Darkness does belong to Nintendo, then they are giving it one last tribute.

Well, I was thinking it was probably just someone at PGC doing a tribute...until Bloodworth said this (page 4 of this topic I think):

"3:33 was absolutely pure coincidence. Jonny didn't know that was the timestamp until HOURS later when someone pointed it out to him."

While that is possible, it is a 1 in 720 chance, and the fact that they claim it is a coincidence seems odd to me. Also remember the clues PGC left for the 3/3/03 sanity effect? They have some kinda sneaky in with SK.

Urkel · « **Reply #126 on:** April 20, 2004, 10:59:17 PM »

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Matt responds: Silicon Knights and Nintendo have ended their exclusive second-party relationship and the developer of Eternal Darkness will make games for other platforms.

So Silicon Knights are no longer second party, they are first party, and they are now developing for GBA/DS/N5 as well.

Zounds! I say, Holmes, you've cracked the case!

You know, that very thought crossed my mind a few times. Just imagine, it's E3 and Nintendo announces "Yes, it's entirely true. Silicon Knights is no longer a Nintendo second party... BECAUSE THEY'RE NOW A NINTENDO FIRST PARTY!"

Everyone cheers and celebrates. All is right with the world.

But maybe that's just more wishful thinking.

Anyway, I'm starting to wonder. If this is real, what does that make Denis Dyack? Was all that love for Nintendo just a facade? Did he end up selling out to the highest bidder the first chance he got? It's stuff like this that is really disillusioning me about the game industry as a whole.

It's the comment he made in that two month old interview that bothers me the most. The one about never, ever leaving Nintendo. I find it hard to believe that something came up all of a sudden in the past two months that made him go from a true believer, to jumping ship. More likely, he was considering this for a while, and was being untruthful about never leaving Nintendo.

In fact, much of what is being claimed now is completely contrary to what Denis has said for the past few years. It seems that Nintendo is saying that there were too many creative differences. Again, contrary to what Denis has said. He made it sound like working with Nintendo was the greatest thing in the world. He always said the SK's philosophy and Nintendo's were the same.

Anyway, back to this being a hoax. It's bizzare how this came completely out of the blue. There are usually a few rumblings when something like this happens, like with Rare. There were absolutely no signs of trouble whatsoever with SK.

I also find Nintendo's response to this a bit out of the ordinary. With Rare, they completely avoided answering the question every way they could for, what? A whole year? They always either gave a "We don't comment on rumors", or doublespeak like "Our relationship with Rare is as good as always". They didn't confirm it until everything was all worked out.

Now, Nintendo is apparantly willing to acknowledge the breakup, and give a reason for it, yet this is before any official press release, and before all the details have been worked out.

Whether this is a hoax or not, it's one incredibly weird situation.

jmoe316 · « **Reply #127 on:** April 20, 2004, 10:59:53 PM »

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While that is possible, it is a 1 in 720 chance, and the fact that they claim it is a coincidence seems odd to me. Also remember the clues PGC left for the 3/3/03 sanity effect? They have some kinda sneaky in with SK.

Mind enlightening me and maybe other PGC'ers as to the joke they played on 03/03/03? I am curious.

Gremio · « **Reply #128 on:** April 21, 2004, 12:23:13 AM »

Rich, is it okay if I ask what kind of response did you get from Nintendo after you emailed them?

This is what I got on April 16th, less than 12 hours after I emailed them:
"The information that I have is that Silicon Knights is now free to make games for other platforms. In the past, they developed games exclusively for use on Nintendo systems."

It's kind of funny, because when I asked questions in the past they either answered them straightfowardly (i.e. what date is Pikmin 2 coming out?) or told me to check their website for news updates.

Edit: There was a joke on 3/3/03?

almondblight · « **Reply #129 on:** April 21, 2004, 10:40:18 AM »

Remember, they told us something like "tomorrow will be a good day to play Eternal Darkness, for those of you in Highschool maybe right after you come home" and the next day (3/3/03) there was some time sensative sanity effect? So they must have some in with SK.

Rich · « **Reply #130 on:** April 21, 2004, 11:00:34 AM »

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Originally posted by: GremioRich, is it okay if I ask what kind of response did you get from Nintendo after you emailed them?

This is what I got on April 16th, less than 12 hours after I emailed them:
"The information that I have is that Silicon Knights is now free to make games for other platforms. In the past, they developed games exclusively for use on Nintendo systems."

It's kind of funny, because when I asked questions in the past they either answered them straightfowardly (i.e. what date is Pikmin 2 coming out?) or told me to check their website for news updates.

Here ya go:

Thank you for your e-mail. While I have limited information on the subject of our company and Silicon Knights, I'll be happy to share with you what I know. Nintendo and Silicon Knights have reached an agreement allowing Silicon Knights to pursue its vision of video game entertainment with other companies. Nintendo respects the creative work of Silicon Knights, and the parties have left the door open to work on future projects that meet the creative vision of both companies. At this time, our philosophies on software are different enough to lead to a departure from our current relationship.

the_zombie_luke · « **Reply #131 on:** April 21, 2004, 12:16:50 PM »

This SK news so easily goes in both directions. So many weird facts keep popping up, and yet normal facts pop as well. E3 will be very interesting.

Gremio · « **Reply #132 on:** April 21, 2004, 02:38:07 PM »

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Here ya go:

Thank you for your e-mail. While I have limited information on the subject of our company and Silicon Knights, I'll be happy to share with you what I know. Nintendo and Silicon Knights have reached an agreement allowing Silicon Knights to pursue its vision of video game entertainment with other companies. Nintendo respects the creative work of Silicon Knights, and the parties have left the door open to work on future projects that meet the creative vision of both companies. At this time, our philosophies on software are different enough to lead to a departure from our current relationship.

Hah? They gave you a much more clear cut response than they gave me. Oh well. This really makes it sound like they did break up. I wonder what really happened?

Bill Aurion · « **Reply #133 on:** April 21, 2004, 02:39:49 PM »

How about we just let this topic die and we'll pick it back up during E3?

Ian Sane · « **Reply #134 on:** April 21, 2004, 02:41:20 PM »

"How about we just let this topic die and we'll pick it back up during E3?"

I can see it now:

E3 = EEE and EEE in the mirror is 333. Holy crap! It's a hoax!

yellowfellow · « **Reply #135 on:** April 21, 2004, 02:55:36 PM »

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E3 = EEE and EEE in the mirror is 333. Holy crap! It's a hoax!

this CAN'T BE HAPPENING!!!

ruby_onix · « **Reply #136 on:** April 21, 2004, 02:57:23 PM »

Y'know, I had initially dismissed this topic as "wishful thinking", but after reading it, I'm convinced that it's quite sane and reasonable.

By definition, this SK departure news is still "unofficial". Which is weird. I mean, why exactly does SK still have that big glaring red "Nintendo" oval on their site? They could at least take their site down "for maintenance", like Rare did.

But, by the word of IGN (which is widely accepted as gospel), and Denis Dyack (a well-known prankster), and possibly even PGC, "It is official. Just trust us on this. And don't go looking for facts to back it up. Because there don't seem to be any. Uhhh... yet. Just wait a while."

It does seem that there's more evidence at this point to suggest that this news is a hoax, than there is to say that it's real.

And personally, I'm getting a good laugh at people on other boards saying "It's really seriously confirmed to be real now" just because Matt from IGN is now backing up in the letter column what Matt from IGN said in that news item... If the word of IGN isn't law, then two words of IGN must be law, right?

But that doesn't mean that I'm in denial about the possible impact of the loss of SK.

Personally, I think the odd lack of "announcement" on the matter might stem from some kind of natural, normal "contract expiration" which doesn't reflect any sort of shift in attitudes or future by any party, but meant that SK didn't technically qualify for the "second party" label (which I think is a made-up PR term that people put too much faith in) anymore. Of course, Matt from IGN's flat-out claims that "the relationship is over" and "SK is already making games for competing consoles as we speak" doesn't click with that theory. But then again, we just go back to not having enough info, and not knowing what counts as "editorial" and "speculation" on the matter.

ThePerm · « **Reply #137 on:** April 21, 2004, 03:02:50 PM »

silicon knights rarely updates their website..and its always been that way...chances are they forgot they had one...again

KnowsNothing · « **Reply #138 on:** April 21, 2004, 03:34:37 PM »

I think SK should break up with Nintendo and get the media on it and have a ton of official announcements and make it 100% real. Then they could announce ED2 for xbox, gc, and ps2.

And then at the end they'd release a video saying "hay whoops our b" and have Denis and Miyamoto giving each other a big hug. And then drop support for xbox and ps2 and rejoin nintendo.

that way they'd have everyone fooled. *eats more toothpaste*

NinGurl69 *huggles · « **Reply #139 on:** April 21, 2004, 03:53:37 PM »

Let's see, Eternal Darkness took an eternity to make.

If SK goes multiplatform, we'd skip 2 console generations and wait 3x the eternity for the next original game.

Rich · « **Reply #140 on:** April 21, 2004, 04:44:25 PM »

Yeah but Eternal Darkness was also meant to be released on the N64.

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Originally posted by: KnowsNothingI think SK should break up with Nintendo and get the media on it and have a ton of official announcements and make it 100% real. Then they could announce ED2 for xbox, gc, and ps2.

And then at the end they'd release a video saying "hay whoops our b" and have Denis and Miyamoto giving each other a big hug. And then drop support for xbox and ps2 and rejoin nintendo.

that way they'd have everyone fooled. *eats more toothpaste*

HAHAHAHAHA thats great. That would be hilarious.

Kasceis · « **Reply #141 on:** April 22, 2004, 07:26:55 AM »

Long I stood there
Wondering...
Fearing...
Doubting...

Bill Aurion · « **Reply #142 on:** April 22, 2004, 10:26:48 AM »

*deleted for unknown reasons*

Actually, I posted in the wrong topic... ^_^;

Pale · « **Reply #143 on:** April 22, 2004, 10:34:24 AM »

And Bill bumps the Eternal Darkness Fake-out thread "on accident".... Pfff...

Kasceis · « **Reply #144 on:** April 22, 2004, 10:55:36 AM »

I am the Scourge of God. (Dennis)
You are whicked(Us), but I am more whicked than you. (Dennis)
Now you Architect(Bill), you are about to make your largest contribution.(him believing)

Dazzybee · « **Reply #145 on:** April 26, 2004, 02:40:03 PM »

I cant believe people have entertained this for this long. You actually believe it aint real? This is just crazy. Somethings happened, but it sur is true. I think it was a bad break up and doubt SK will give much love to Ninty in the future

Rich · « **Reply #146 on:** April 26, 2004, 03:29:30 PM »

I'm not putting anything past SK. It could be real or it might not. The only big thing that is keeping me from believing that this is totally true is the absence of an official announcment.

The Omen · « **Reply #147 on:** April 26, 2004, 07:02:45 PM »

I've figured out this whole situation. Nintendo and MS are joining forces to make the next gen system, so it wont be a Nintendo system . SK has joined them both as a second party for the XN5! So technically, SK wont be making exclusives for Nintendo anymore.

But seriously, why is there still no comment from Nintendo? Letting this fester this long with E3 so close really seems dumb. Dumber than usual.

Syl · « **Reply #148 on:** April 27, 2004, 11:51:34 AM »

Thats the point The Omen, they'll obviously waiting till E3 for something to happen, it'll be a bigger surprise then. (Either SK staying with nintendo, or perhaps SK pimping off its stuff for other systems)

mouse_clicker · « **Reply #149 on:** April 27, 2004, 11:56:21 AM »

If Nintendo and SK have really split, though, it's very stupid to wait until E3 to properly announce it because it will drag down all the good news they have. If this is true, Nintendo should have either said absolutely nothing about it before E3 or at the very least had their statement and gotten it over with long before E3 started at all. They did neither.

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