Topic: Meat a Posionous Product

[Metaphysical Spirit]

Hey everyone.. This is definatly a bizarre subject but me and my friends are having a little arguement about something. Does anyone else think that their are Drugs in Meat? I'm not talking about like illegal drugs ( I think? ) but like addictive chemicals, and if not.. what about all the drugs they pump in the cows before they die?

[The Omen]

If you're going to start to worry about meat, you might as well worry about vegetables as well, since they're all given special growth 'goodies' throughout their existence.  In fact, all that is supposedly 'clean' is cage free farm fresh, which you'd have to be a complete dope to believe, and pay the extra moolah in order to get it.  Unless you're growing the animal/plant yourself, my recomendation is take a 'what you cant see cant hurt ya' approach, or else you'll go insane worrying.

[vudu]

General Jack D. Ripper: Mandrake, do you realize that in addition to fluoridating water, why, there are studies underway to fluoridate salt, flour, fruit juices, soup, sugar, milk... ice cream. Ice cream, Mandrake, children's ice cream.

Capt. Lionel Mandrake: Lord, Jack.

General Jack D. Ripper: You know when fluoridation first began?

Capt. Lionel Mandrake: I... no, no. I don't, Jack.

General Jack D. Ripper: Nineteen hundred and forty-six. Nineteen forty-six, Mandrake. How does that coincide with your post-war Commie conspiracy, huh? It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hard-core Commie works.

Capt. Lionel Mandrake: Uh, Jack, Jack, listen, tell me, tell me, Jack. When did you first... become... well, develop this theory?

General Jack D. Ripper: Well, I, uh... I... I... first became aware of it, Mandrake, during the physical act of love.

Capt. Lionel Mandrake: Hmm.

General Jack D. Ripper: Yes, a uh, a profound sense of fatigue... a feeling of emptiness followed. Luckily I... I was able to interpret these feelings correctly. Loss of essence.

Capt. Lionel Mandrake: Hmm.

General Jack D. Ripper: I can assure you it has not recurred, Mandrake. Women uh... women sense my power and they seek the life essence. I, uh... I do not avoid women, Mandrake.

Capt. Lionel Mandrake: No.

General Jack D. Ripper: But I... I do deny them my essence.  

[manunited4eva22]

.......1982 right?

Somehow quoting a book that the very guy  who wrote it said was more of a warning than a reality is not a good answer to me.

[Metaphysical Spirit]

I see what you are saying. I was more or less going along the lines that in meat, FDA puts addictive drugs in meat and thats why no one really can stop eating meat, and its a huge market in the USA. I can see where this is to an extent, so I wouldn't say it isn't true, but I also don't beleive it as much as my conspiricy thinking friend does. I'm a little confused on kingvudu post though. Not totally confused, but still confused. Hah.  

[KnowsNothing]

I wonder why people who aren't vegetarians or heathens eat meat?  IT'S A CONUNDRUM. *slueth hat*

I think it's becuase of the droogz *blows bubbles out of pipe*  This conspiracy has been going around longer than that one where the government put radioactive tablets in the urinals (it explains ALOT now doesn't it?).  I think we should go on strike and stop eating meat.  But they're also drugging the veggies.  So let's just stop eating.  Who's with me? *cricket chirps*

[Ocarina Blue]

Over here, chickens and pigs are kept in tiny cubes and pumped full of antibiotics and growth hormones. Are you saying companies in the USA put addictive drugs in their food so people continue to buy it?  

[Metaphysical Spirit]

I hear ya. My friend begs to differ still, but you're right... He can just stop eating =0)  

[Ocarina Blue]

Wow, I never really thought The West's economic structure would would push companies to such an extreme measure. I'm a vegetarian as it is, but that would have out me off meat alot faster than the situation here.  

[Ms.Pikmin]

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Originally posted by: Metaphysical Spirit
I'm a little confused on kingvudu post though. Not totally confused, but still confused. Hah.

He's quoting Dr. Strangelove I believe.  

EDIT: Oh, Manunited, it's 1984, not 1982.

[Ocarina Blue]

1984? Well then (in reply to Manchester's 'speculation' comment): Most of the techniques used in 1984 were in practice well before the book was written. The USSR and Third Reich had techniques that were recreated in surprisingly deep detail - far deeper than would be assumed at first glance. For example, Orwell purposely used 'Big Brother' as the name of the figurehead; and outlined it as being both an allusion to 'Uncle Stalin' and a clear example of doublethink (when the policies of the party were taken into consiteration). The setting was more of a transposition of the pre-war situation in Nazi Germany and the USSR to a later date and region than anything else. The the only completley original idea Orwell created (not one he just named) was Newspeak, I think.

[DarkSyphor]

You guys should watch out on what you eat.
my friends got food poisoning by eatting some meat.
did any one hear about the chicken problem (flu)  

[manunited4eva22]

The book implied that it was happening at that very moment, stalin was already dead/quite on his way, so that was pretty much void after ww2. And no, the world did not end, so that would be more stuff...

Anyway, I don't think its a fair statement to say conspiracy theory crap n reply to someone asking whats in meat.  Are there chemicals?  yes.  Do they harm you?  probablly not

[KDR_11k]

Fastfood might have such additives, yes. Diet Coke is based on them. But standard meat? Look, there's something like laws and those laws ban chemical additions on a level that could influence the organism.

[The Omen]

I just like meat because, well i'm a carnivore i guess.  If i have the choice of drugged up vegetables or drugged up cow, i'm picking cow, because it tastes better. {to me}
I'm selfish that way.  By the way, you do know that people have been eating animals, since forever, and i'm quite sure there was no mad scientist injecting the buffalo with drugs back in prehistoric times.

[Metaphysical Spirit]

To clear somethings up becuase I had sometime to think about it. I think vegetables are totally different to the meat. Vegetables are grown from the earth, and we use chemicals to keep pests and to grow faster. In Meat.. they pump 42 different drugs into the cow to make the cow grow faster than it can, it groes sickly, and then dies in a slaughter house full of disease and flies. After that then they can add drugs to make it addictive, which is the part I don't beleive. A dead bloody corpse neatly packed. I eat meat all the time, but America eats more meat than anyone and is the unhealthiest. Other countries aren't nearly as bad. KDR has a good point.. There are laws, yes, but that doesn't say to much. Laws don't get America too far. It could be a legal drug too, like caffiene (VERY VERY addictive and unhealthy). Look at Coke like KDR said, It used to have COKE in it. Until the drug was illegal, it was still put in there to make it a lot more addictive and at the same time wake the people up. As you can see, I beleive meat is very unhealthy and do put drugs, but not in the way my friend is talkinbg bout. I do agree with a lot of you here, but a lot of points I beleive are just beating around the bush. It's not the growing process that my friend was talking bout, but the preproduction of all the meat. Personally, I think its not that amazing of a subject and I just put it up to prove to my friend that it isn't to that extent. Thank you guys for al your help though.  

[manunited4eva22]

Look, take a Human Geography class, you will go into this more than you want to.

How is caffeine addictive?  Give me one study that cloncluded it was.  People take caffeine for the energy boost, it's not like you see people popping drinks in the corner to get their dose.  

Plants are selectively breed so that they can no longer live without us, if humans weren't controlling them they would die.  How is that different from animals that are done basically the same way.

Give me a break about cows, having family that raises cows, I know a lot of that is BS, for the US anyway.  Cow juice is traded, they want the best of the breed in their cows.  These cows aren't dying of diseases, they are dying of having a metal rod shot into their head.  

Really though, the FDA got their panties in a bunch because some salmon has too much of something that could lead to cancer, with very little proof to show.  If beef was somehow very dangerous, believe me you would hear about it much faster.

[ThePerm]

humans eating meat has existed since man could kill another animal...and before(primates hunt and eat monkeys)...the fact that meat is addictive and taste good has more to do with our instincts to be carnivourous then anything else. If americans are unhealthy it is prolly more because of our sedentary lifestyle....alot of my family and other famililes if you go back a generation ot two lived on farms....it took alot of protien to build the strength you needed to run one and meat provided that. Actually myself im not in the best shape..but i hardly eat anything...im in school so much im not sure if i get to eat day to day . If I am getting fat its because im in my feaking school sitting on my ass all day.


 

[Hostile Creation]

I was going to say that, but was delayed.  Yeah, humans have eaten meat for millenia.  It's not exactly new.  Well said, Perm.

I like meat, and eat it regularly.  I appreciate the animal that died for me, however much it may not have wanted to die.  I savor it for all it's worth, and ravish in the fact that it's a dead animal.  If I don't, it was hardly worth the thing dying.  And no, I don't want to stop killing them for their meat.  I love it, and I hope to continue eating it.

Sorry to sound so sick

[KnowsNothing]

I don't see why people stop eating meat because an innocent animal was killed.  If a steak is put down in front of you, then eat it!  Throwing it away won't bring the goddamned animal back alive!  The animal you refuse to eat is already dead.  So make use of it.  The only logic behind that is that if enough people become vegetarians, then they will stop killing the animals, but unlessthose billions of people decide to stop something after millions of years of doing it, it ain't gonna happen.  So just shut up.

I'm not here to insult people who are vegetarians, especially those who are vegetarians for other reasons, but I just don't see the logic.

[The Omen]

Caffiene has been proven to be addictive, and you can do your own test.  Drink Mountain dew every day for a month, then stop completely for a week.  Your body will go into a mini-withdrawal.  I'm not saying its as bad as nicotine,  but it is an addictive substance.

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Caffeine is highly addictive. Quitting coffee can cause withdrawal symptoms such as headaches, sleepiness and irritability. The acidic nature of coffee can lead to stomach ulcers. When the excess acid enters the bloodstream, it also increases calcium loss in urine. Both coffee and tea have no nutritional value. Tannin, the substance that makes tea cups brown and coats tea pots, is used for tanning leather. Imagine the stomach after twenty years of tea drinking.

-- Foundation to all freedom

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How is caffeine addictive? Give me one study that cloncluded it was. People take caffeine for the energy boost, it's not like you see people popping drinks in the corner to get their dose.

What, are you kidding me?  Just because something is addictive doesn't mean people are hiding in corners getting their fix.  You havent seen people drink two pots of coffee in the morning?  Your body does not need that much caffiene to get a 'boost'.   The fact of the matter is you begin to crave it , and need it.  Thats an addiction.




 

[Bill Aurion]

Carbonated drinks do the very same thing, and is even more acidic than either tea or coffee...

That's why I mainly stick with water...

(Oh, and yes, caffeine is addictive...In recent studies it was found that you can drink as few as 4 cups of coffee a day before you begin to feel the effects of physical dependance...Of course, the amount a person can take before building this dependance differs...It can take 3 or 4 cups, or even up to 20...Either way, it does have addictive properties)

[Metaphysical Spirit]

Hah. The Omen and Bill are right. I try to avoid caffiene for a reason and I know what I'm talking about with that. I now have a weaker stomach becuase I used to drink 1-2 2ltr bottles of Moutain Dew for at least a year or two. Why do people keep going to these boost and keep needing them? Most of the are addicted. Look at your parents, if they drink coffee, they have drank it in the morning for years now. Sure it might be a certain morning taste, sure it might give you a boost... but caffiene is a drug. It gives you a high, it has side-effects, it has long-term effects.. it falls into everything an addictive drug does. If you ever go to Rehab for a drug (I haven't, but my friends have) they will tell you caffiene is the gateway drug.

As for the meat, like I have said I beleive all of you. You do have to take organic meats and top brand meats in consideration, but there are a lot of other meats sold.. Look at other countries too, who are poorer. Meat is very unhealthy after an extent. Meat has protien though, so thats why you should eat it... well that and its DELICIOUS. I'm a chicken type of guy, but I love meat too. I'm not trying to go against you guys. I'm now more interested in the caffiene discusion to be honest. It was just a bet that I wanted settled and I won thanks to you guys. By the way, to the kid who had a family growing cows, where they also the butcher's? You also have to consider this too, that's like homegrown. You see what you see. =0)  

[manunited4eva22]

I think this is blurring the line between what is addictive, being awake or being addicted.

I take several pills for migraines, before I only took one.  As time has gone by my bloodstream has lost the effect of some of them, and I have been switched off.  Am I addicted to the pill because if I don't take it I run the risk of severe migraines or so I can have a full head to study?  Under what you said in thsoe studies I am addicted.  Oh well, I guess I am taking it out of context because obviously scientific studies can't be wrong, right?)

Oh yes, I went to the foundation for all freedom and found a very funny symbolism.  heroine addict to someone who likes sweets.  So obviously my example can't be too far off, I mean you quoted them not me.

"Chocolate bars are loaded with salt, sugar, caffeine and fat, up to 300 calories per bar. Like a body that demands heroin for its balance, the body will crave sugar, salt and fat. Take candy from a sugar junkie, and look out! Quitting causes withdrawals. Remove sugar, processed fat or salt from your diet, and you will crave them. You will go through the discomfort of facing withdrawal similar to the withdrawal from drugs."

[Bill Aurion]

Do you feel withdrawal when your pills wear off?  It doesn't sound like it, so it's not an addiction...

And the reason you face withdrawal when you are separated from chocolate is because of the caffeine...