Author Topic: Meat a Posionous Product (Read 11946 times)

mouse_clicker · « **Reply #25 on:** February 11, 2004, 05:05:45 PM »

Caffeine is basically a scaled down version of crack- works the exact same way just on a much lower level. In fact, over time it can cause pancreatic cancer and death. However, that's only if you consume massive amounts of caffeine daily, much more than a few cans of Coke or Pepsi could ever provide. Even manunited's caffeine pills wouldn't do the trick. The fact of the matter is you're perfectly safe drinking soda or coffee or tea, just as long as that's not ALL you drink. Really, if you're worried about caffeine you should be just as worried about milk- most people don't know it, but milk contains as many ingredients that leech bone mass as add to it. You're really only supposed to drink it while growing, and then afterwards you're supposed to become lactose intolerant- what we consider normal for humans is actually a genetic defect that ended up being the dominant trait over lactose intolerance. Just because caffeine gets a lot of press doesn't mean it's dangerous at all when not taken in extreme excess.

And the Omen is right- vegetables are just as dangerous as meat is. Most of the vegetables we eat are not grown in the United States and hence aren't produced under our own standards. A lot of experimental pesticides that didn't get FDA approval in the US are used in other countries and work their way in our diets anyway.

ThePerm · « **Reply #26 on:** February 11, 2004, 05:43:48 PM »

yeah about lactose intolerant...most people are lactose intolerent and don't know it...the only groups of people who are lactose tolerant is a small trbie in africa and western europeans....there are of course mroe..but the majority is intolerant...the culture though...yeah..also as mc was saying too much calcium is bad for you..it screws up your bone cell division process.

Bill Aurion · « **Reply #27 on:** February 11, 2004, 05:53:54 PM »

The reason for lactose intolerance is the lack of a specific enzyme called lactase, which breaks up the lactose molecules in milk. Usually this enzyme becomes defunct after a period of time because it is not needed in mature mammals(which move onto solid foods). However, taking in enough lactose will keep this enzyme functioning, and is, therefore, the reason why many people are lactose tolerant today(evolution of genes)...

mouse_clicker · « **Reply #28 on:** February 11, 2004, 06:00:53 PM »

So basically most of the current generation of humans never become lactose intolerant because we as a species consume vast amounts of dairy products? The wonders of evolution.

In reality, though, there's absolutely no problem drinking milk or eating ice cream until the day you die. I just wanted to point out it deserves at least as much attention as caffein assuming it's roughly on the same level. You never hear milk getting bad press, though.

Metaphysical Spirit · « **Reply #29 on:** February 11, 2004, 06:15:57 PM »

Ehh.. I dont drink milk that much now that I moved out.. but CHOCOLATE MILK IS AWESOME! Whatever it is.. A lot of things are very unhealthy. Caffiene does though give me an upset stomach if I drink to much in one day, especially before I go to bed. I think milk gets less bad press, just becuase it is healthy at some point in time of your life.. but caffiene really isn't good at all. Of course it won't harm you though if it is just a few drinks of soda, but just caffiene itself I'm saying to an extent.

DarkSyphor · « **Reply #30 on:** February 12, 2004, 02:57:08 AM »

Man i gota stop drinking chocolate milk in the morning and at night
i think the best way of stopping your self of drinking caffiene is something that youll know that will destroy the taste of the caffiene.
for instance i like eatting watermealons , once you combine it evil taste that gets to you

mouse_clicker · « **Reply #31 on:** February 12, 2004, 05:01:05 AM »

I think brushing your teeth works better. I used to drink so much soda my resting heart rate was 120 bpm. I also had gingivitis because I didn't brush my teeth enough (even after I had a gingivectomy). I solved both problems by brushing my teeth whenever I wanted to drink soda. That way I brushed my teeth a lot more often and I wasn't drinking any soda since it would taste so disgusting after having just brushed my teeth.

Metaphysical Spirit · « **Reply #32 on:** February 12, 2004, 07:24:15 AM »

Nice Mouse Clicker.. Nice. I like it.

nolimit19 · « **Reply #33 on:** February 12, 2004, 10:00:53 AM »

i used to drink caffinated beverages all the time, but i quit because i read some of the negative affects of it. it wasnt hard for me, but i must not have been adicted. however i think the effects of dairy and meat are much worse. america consumes the most dairy products and its number one in osteoporosis. its hard to tell legit studies from ones by interest groups though. if you want to be super safe, just eat organic vegan food. its hard to do, but there is no doubt its better for you. also the atkins diet is no good. hahahhaha i just had to say that. also i think anything from a water source is the worst thing you can eat. even hte fda has made very strict restricts on the recommended intake of sea food. you can not get organic sea food...i am a veggie, but if i did eat meat, i would stick to organic chicken....and thats about it.

The Omen · « **Reply #34 on:** February 12, 2004, 10:30:01 AM »

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also the atkins diet is no good

Considering all the 'medical' establishments that are against it are animal rights activists , one wonders how you yourself come up with this statement. Having been on atkins for the last 3 months, and losing 75 pounds, having my cholestoral go way down, and generally being in better health than i ever was on a low fat diet, i think its great.

Ms.Pikmin · « **Reply #35 on:** February 12, 2004, 10:37:14 AM »

I have to agree with Omen here. I have never done Atkins but my father has. He was a seriously overweight and insulin dependent diabetic. He's been on Atkins for 2 years and his diabetes has almost disappeared. He used to take 100 units of insulin a day and now is down to 5.

EDIT: Good going on the 75 pounds Omen! =)

manunited4eva22 · « **Reply #36 on:** February 12, 2004, 10:39:44 AM »

Bill, I take a pill that is basically a high dosage of caffeine, the pill burns my energy so fast that I am tired the rest of the day. The only withdrawal I get is actually being active. (By the way, if caffeine is addictive, I can only say it is in low ammounts, because there is no way anyone willingly wants that crap)

Hostile Creation · « **Reply #37 on:** February 12, 2004, 11:11:53 AM »

I can see mouse clicker impulsively pulling out toothbrush and toothpaste at random moments and start brushing his teeth. . . humorous, in my head anyway.

And I agree with knowsnothing. Not eating meat in today's society is a waste.
And I avoid caffiene if I can. I usually drink Sprite, if I get a carbonated beverage, or cream soda. Root beer. Hardly ever coke, but sometimes Dr. Pepper. I tend to stick to water, milk, and apple juice, though. Whoo me!

nolimit19 · « **Reply #38 on:** February 12, 2004, 12:47:17 PM »

well 2 months and 2 years dont contradict years of research that prove foods with high fat are not good for you. i think there is no doubt it works in the short run, and it may even work in the long run....but i dont think so. i wouldnt go on the atkin diet if i was overweight. i would just exercise and eat less.

The Omen · « **Reply #39 on:** February 12, 2004, 03:05:49 PM »

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i wouldnt go on the atkin diet if i was overweight. i would just exercise and eat less.

I'm not going to bash you too much because this isnt really the topic, but thats easier said than done. Eating less bad food is still bad for you, so youre missing the point totally. This diet, like many other diets, helps you lose weight, but what low fat diets dont do is make you healthy. Also, its true some fat is bad for you, but it is also true certain fat is integral to being healthy. And some carbs are very detrimental. This diet is good fat/protien without the man made sugar products, I.E. carbs, mainly the white flour foods. Complex carbs are part of the diet. So really, i cant see whats so hard to understand.

And the first Atkins book was released in the early 70's, so its not 'new' science.

ThePerm · « **Reply #40 on:** February 12, 2004, 05:20:00 PM »

wonders if iv seen an mc pic....

Ocarina Blue · « **Reply #41 on:** February 12, 2004, 05:54:38 PM »

I won't get into a discussion/argument here, because I don't know if vegetarianism would come under breach of the 'theology' rule (mods?). I will provide a basic outline of my reasons for vegetarianism, but that's all, my response addresses counterpoints particularly from my personal perspective only:

Humans have been eating meat for millennia. For millennia before that, many cultures showed some signs of cannibalism. And yet, very few humans are cannibals now. Why? The reasons, I hope, will come instinctively to all of you. In a future world where productivity has continued to grow, people ther may see eating meat as repugnant and disgusting.

All major religions in the world preach basic respect for life, in some form or another, especially the one that's philosophies I'm most sleighted to. Most of these religions don't preach strict vegetarianism, but most of the people they appeal to are not in a position to give up meat, for they will not be able to make up the lost supplements through other foodstuffs. However, people in privileged positions (e.g. people who can buy (or get others to buy them) computers, i.e. us) can obtain the necessary provisions relatively easily.

Many people in our society own pets. Many people cry or are at least momentarily sad when their pets die. If these people (who include me) had to personally kill their own animals (as they have always done before a few hundred years ago) in order to eat meat, I believe they'd eat significantly less meat. The anonymity of battery farming encourages consumption.

Not eating meat has few negative effects on me. I'm not particularly healthy, but my iron levels are just fine. I'm as skinny as a rake.

Several millennia ago, people didn't eat meat from enslaved animals that get crap pumped into them every day. And yes, the drugs can certainly have negative effects. Although there is, as far as I know, no evidence of any bacterial spread from chickens to humans, you can be sure that if one emerges, it won't be good for us at all. Antibiotics have positive effect on the human body only when a particular bacterium is wrecking havoc.

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The book implied that it was happening at that very moment, Stalin was already dead/quite on his way, so that was pretty much void after ww2. And no, the world did not end, so that would be more stuff...

I'm pretty confused about this in general. Was it directed towards 1984?

EDIT: As for caffeine, perhaps the words 'fizzing blue bawls' will enlighten you of my stance towards it

EDIT2: I somehow manage to screw up the URL thingie every tsingle time. Bah.

Metaphysical Spirit · « **Reply #42 on:** February 12, 2004, 08:53:48 PM »

I consider fruits and vegatables more organic and it's natures food for us. Fruit is one of the healthiest and tastiest things on this planet, so why don't we eat more of that? I eat fruit all the time. I eat meat, but not a lot. I have an organic market right down the street from me, so I go there all the time to get my food. Meat is something. Yes we have been eating it for years, but we have also been avoiding it. Some cultures see meat though as a luxury. Some cultures see meat as bad, or great. Jesus never ate meat, so they say. Bread, Fish, and Fruit. The bible was more into things like that. (Historical reference, not religion) I mean, that's the whole point of farmer. We hunted, becuase we didn't know how to at the time or could with the land, on having farms. People used to rely more on plants, then meat itself. It's healthy to eat meat at a limited amount, but it's unhealthy to chronicly eat meat. Also, meat isn't great for your mind. Your brian is made up of fats, and you are what you eat. Junk food and meats have thick fat that when it goes to your brain, your nuerons have more of a trouble connecting and creating thoughts and thought patterns. Thats why they say fish is good for your brian. They have a different kind of fat in their oil (Fatty-Omega 3) which is a lighter and more liquidy type of fat, that is what your brain really is made up of. This creates an easy passage for the neurons. I still hold a strong hold on my opinion on caffiene. I think it is bad. Those diet pills are no good (Though mostly from the ephedra, which is now illegal) and excessive amounts is aweful. Granted, A few sodas a day won't hurt, but maybe in the long-term after soo many years it will. I'm with Ocarina on always getting sprite, and if it is caffienated, it isn't dark pop. For some reason when I drink mountain dew for a week or so, I get addicted to Mountain Dew. Not really addicted, but Ill have a Mountain Dew phase where all I do is buy that stuff. My stance on meat though is not about the killing of animals, becuase that is survival.. but how it affects the body after so much. Though, with equaling and balance your nutrtiion makes meat less harmful in many ways. (Ie: Exercising, Eating other healtier foods, ect..)

Hostile Creation · « **Reply #43 on:** February 13, 2004, 10:40:51 AM »

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wonders if iv seen an mc pic....

I don't think I have. . . I imagine him as a stabbed smiley face, making the situation even more humorous.

mouse_clicker · « **Reply #44 on:** February 13, 2004, 10:55:43 AM »

You're in luck!

Me and my sister!

Ian Sane · « **Reply #45 on:** February 13, 2004, 12:30:02 PM »

Why don't ya get yer haircut ya hippie!

I imagine you get that a lot. I myself get "why don't ya shave ya bum!"

mouse_clicker · « **Reply #46 on:** February 13, 2004, 12:39:50 PM »

Yeah, I look like a hippy with the hair but I'm about the furthest thing from it. I'm not antiwar and I'm not a vegetarian by any stretch of the definition. A lot of people also think I'm a stoner, and it perplexes them to discover I've never done any drugs in my life.

nolimit19 · « **Reply #47 on:** February 13, 2004, 01:50:56 PM »

well i know about good fats and bad fats, and animal fat is not good fat. and i only eat complex carbs myself(no man made carbs). however, just because you are losing weight does not mean you are eating healthy. from everything i have read, it would see that a high intake of sat. fat would not be good for you in the long run. for every story of someone who lost weight and kept it off, there are stories of people who have heart attacks or just gain the weight right back. i dont think there is any doubt you can lose weight following the diet, and it depends on what you are eating because there are many different variations to the diet....i have heard the south beach diet is better for the long run, but having too much protien depletes calcium levels in the bones and i think it makes you fart a lot too. either way im not saying anyone is dumb for following the diet. i wouldnt say that. at least they are trying. i wouldnt want someone to say i was dumb for being veggie for the B12 DEFICIENCEY!!! lol thats all i ever hear...how many people die from B12 deficiency....i have never even heard of anyone that has been diagnosed with it.

manunited4eva22 · « **Reply #48 on:** February 13, 2004, 02:00:50 PM »

I never really get the whole unhealthy arguement. Follow a diet, excorcise, your fine.

My resting heart rate is 51, I eat a bunch of crap all day, but I do run long distance. Makes all the difference.

Draygaia · « **Reply #49 on:** February 13, 2004, 02:09:16 PM »

I hope that if there is drugs in the meat I eat that it is a healthy dose of Al-Zare.

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Author Topic: Meat a Posionous Product (Read 11946 times)